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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 15:01:04 GMT
The only person who could have sorted out this lot is big Sam. As I said before Jones got the job. Forget the type of football he would have given us, he would have sorted the club out. That is what needs doing, & he is the only one with the stature in the game to do it. We should have offered him a short contract, say, until the end of the season, & then we should have taken time to get the right Manager in. How would Big Sam until the end of the season have sort out anything in the club? The squad needs rebuilding. We aren't going up (to go up would be a disaster until we have a solid platform to build from) and we aren't going down. What exactly would that have achieved?
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 11, 2019 15:48:56 GMT
On one hand we have fans moaning about players for whom the club means nothing and who are just picking up the wages yet on the other we have fans wanting a manager be it Moyes or Big Sam who would be doing just that. This job means a lot to Nathan Jones and given time the club could mean a lot to him too - unless of course the fans put him off.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Feb 11, 2019 16:04:31 GMT
I completely disagree. This squad is filled with talent but for some reason there is a poison at the club. Woods, Afobe, Ince are 3 who joined the club with glowing reports and have since turned absolutely wank. It's the players/deeper issues not the manager. 4 managers in the space of a year show this. It is much deeper where the poison sits. What we cannot do now is yet another managerial change, otherwise we look as much a basket case of a club as Sunderland did before the shit really hit the fan for them! Get behind Jones, he is the man for the job in my opinion. Let him put his stamp on the team, get his tactics across and then see where we are come December once he has shipped out the utter shite currently stinking out the place! Stay up this year, hopefully get a run of wins together heading towards the end of the season to give us momentum going into the next. It's one thing to "put his stamp on the team, get his tactics across" - it's another to play a system that seems completely unsuited to the players he has and in doing so playing up to five players out of their natural positions. It won't have taken long for opposition managers to figure his favoured diamond or to spot labored players in unfamiliar positions - which makes us easy to pick off. Unless he changes his system in the short term to something that makes us more difficult to beat then there's every chance that the next six games will be as disasterous as the last and "stay up this year" will be anything but a given. I'm not advocating (another) change of manager (yet) - but the one we've got certainly needs s change of mindset until such time as he can assemble a squad able to play the way he wants to play. Well said. NJ showing naivety in that respect. This blind optimism in him is a bit draining. Again not interested in changing managers, just want him to be a bit more sensible with his picks and more focus on the game ahead rather than a utopian change all will fix approach at the expense of immediate games
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 17:04:23 GMT
The only person who could have sorted out this lot is big Sam. As I said before Jones got the job. Forget the type of football he would have given us, he would have sorted the club out. That is what needs doing, & he is the only one with the stature in the game to do it. We should have offered him a short contract, say, until the end of the season, & then we should have taken time to get the right Manager in. Sam was on Talksport a few weeks ago talking about jobs after he turned down the Huddersfield job. He gave off the impression that it would have to be a very special offer from a Premier League club for him to even consider coming back. It was a stark interview that made me wonder if he ever will come back. He was pretty dismissive of the Championship.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 11, 2019 17:16:11 GMT
The only person who could have sorted out this lot is big Sam. As I said before Jones got the job. Forget the type of football he would have given us, he would have sorted the club out. That is what needs doing, & he is the only one with the stature in the game to do it. We should have offered him a short contract, say, until the end of the season, & then we should have taken time to get the right Manager in. Sam was on Talksport a few weeks ago talking about jobs after he turned down the Huddersfield job. He gave off the impression that it would have to be a very special offer from a Premier League club for him to even consider coming back. It was a stark interview that made me wonder if he ever will come back. He was pretty dismissive of the Championship. Yeah, he demanded six million to take the Everton job. I think it's a pretty safe bet the prospect of trips to Rotherham and Reading don't keep him awake at night.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 11, 2019 17:42:46 GMT
Looking back I do think there were improvements in relation to how we defended. We made a mistake on a set piece but managed to dominate possession without conceding chances and being caught out. For instance, Woods and Etebo both looked quite well drilled in covering the defenders when west brom countered, in recent weeks those counters would have resulted in goals.
Also, apart from the set piece goal we defended much better
The problem was the full backs to getting forward enough and in the case of Edwards, though he played very well, he didn't look up when he had excellent options. He missed bojan twice on the edge of the area when he would have been in a position to shoot.
Also there was no movement in attack. We needed a striker on instead of mcclean. There was no one stretching their back line.
I am gutted about this season and cannot believe with the squad we have that we can't find a high level of performance at this level. If you look at budgets and comparison, a celtic fan mate was saying earlier that stoke in this position would be like celtic just above relegation spots in their league.this is taking into account the monies spent, budget etc in comparison to other teams in this league
Its crazy
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 12, 2019 8:34:32 GMT
Of course the manager is accountable. Allardyce and Moyes might (not would) have got results quicker out of the current squad - but anyone thinking this squad could have coped with promotion this year really has lost the plot.
The club had a choice - a short term fix like Allardyce or Moyes or a long term project like Nathan Jones. Like it or not they chose the latter. Jones is accountable for current results, he's made mistakes and he may pay the price if we get relegated but if we stay up he'll be measured on how we do next season.
For those not liking what they are watching at the moment just crack on moaning your bag off - it's a free world. The real world can get so frustrating at times - and at the moment the real world consists of an inexperienced manager trying to impose his style of play on an unsuitable, dysfunctional squad. It's where we're at - and moaning about it is going to achieve sweet FA. The alternative is to support the club in what it's trying to do and hope to see signs of improvement by the end of the season and deal with the fact that it's going to be pretty bad in the short term.
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Post by eebygum on Feb 12, 2019 17:40:35 GMT
It's li' uz owd dad used ta seh - theur can lern eur dog ta dance, bur theur can't mek it doa it if it needs t' toilet.
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