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Post by raythesailor on Feb 6, 2019 18:37:40 GMT
Well after the terrible tradegy of the Air crash and sad loss of life it is now being reported( but could be fake news) that the ugly side of football commerce is starting to raise its head above the parapet.
BBC news are tonight reporting that the French club are threatening legal action as they have not yet received any of the agreed transfer fee.
To raise this whilst families are still in shock is distasteful, but it will be an interesting story to follow.
Is he and are others insured by their parent clubs. ? At what point in the contracts does a player belong to either club? Does the Aeroplanes or Pilots insurance accept responsibility? Was he liscened to carry passengers commercially ? Who arranged the flight ?
A lot of money is involved. I foresee a lot of wriggling , but we may not get to know what may happen.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 18:42:29 GMT
That's business I'm afraid. As soon as the deal was signed then he was no longer a Nantes player and all money is due to them in line with the agreement.
As tough as it is, and as much as it's probably poor timing it is big money and big business.
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Post by werrington on Feb 6, 2019 18:42:41 GMT
Trouble is Nantes are owed money ( and a lot of it ) and that money will be a godsend for them
The only reason the crash happened is because he’d signed for Cardiff and but for that he’d of still been playing for Nantes
To me they are fully entitled to ask for it and I would imagine Cardiff will be insured
Nantes are doing nothing unethical
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 18:43:55 GMT
As tragic as it is, Nantes still continue to have to pay costs to keep their club running. The world doesn't stop turning just because of what happened.
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Post by Absolution on Feb 6, 2019 18:45:43 GMT
It's a lot of money, so it's natural that there's going to be some fallout from the whole episode, given the circumstances. I just hope for the sake of everyone's dignity that it's carried out in private, as much as it can be.
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Feb 6, 2019 18:47:34 GMT
I think it's bad that Nantes have had to threaten action, but a deal is a deal. Have Cardiff forced Nante into this? May be hard to blame Nantes for the families further distress. Still, we don't know the details.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 18:48:36 GMT
I think this reflects worse on Cardiff than Nantes. Cardiff should have been in touch with arrangements to pay and not let it come to this. If they are trying to wriggle out of paying then that's disgusting.
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Post by chad on Feb 6, 2019 18:48:56 GMT
It’s modern day football. This was always going to end up in a row about money
Very sad but very predictable
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 6, 2019 18:52:29 GMT
Nantes are owed the money,but the timeing of asking for the money could have been better.
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Post by swipers on Feb 6, 2019 18:54:17 GMT
Sure I saw something on the news a couple of days after the crash saying Cardiff had cancelled the payment. Don’t see how Cardiff can not be liable for payment as he’d signed for them and I’m sure the contract of sale wouldn’t have said “subject to coming back after saying goodbye to former team mates”.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 18:54:18 GMT
Nantes are owed the money,but the timeing of asking for the money could have been better. They shouldn't have had to ask. The deal was done. Cardiff owed the money. If Cardiff want to work out ways to get their money back via insurance etc then its their problem to sort. But Cardiff should have paid Nantes.
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Post by mallorcanstokie on Feb 6, 2019 18:55:56 GMT
Maybe he was flying over to actually sign and become a Cardiff player, perhaps the insurance didn’t start until he signed... all very sad.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 18:55:57 GMT
In all fairness, it seems like it was structured payments so the timeline of payments will have been agreed prior to the crash if Cardiff have not honoured the date of payment then Nantes are not doing anything that we wouldn't do
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Post by stokefc on Feb 6, 2019 19:02:52 GMT
saw the title and thought they had arranged a memorial match , should,ve done that then talked about the ins and outs after
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Post by neddy on Feb 6, 2019 19:05:22 GMT
I bet our club would honour the deal without thought.....remember the Delap incident.
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Feb 6, 2019 19:13:45 GMT
Nantes are owed the money,but the timeing of asking for the money could have been better. They shouldn't have had to ask. . Think that's the point in my eyes too.
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Post by eddyclamp on Feb 6, 2019 19:21:47 GMT
Trouble is Nantes are owed money ( and a lot of it ) and that money will be a godsend for them The only reason the crash happened is because he’d signed for Cardiff and but for that he’d of still been playing for Nantes To me they are fully entitled to ask for it and I would imagine Cardiff will be insured Nantes are doing nothing unethical I would imagine Cardiff have him insured but will they pay out without the body not being recovered. I suppose technically he is not dead.
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Post by werrington on Feb 6, 2019 19:22:33 GMT
Trouble is Nantes are owed money ( and a lot of it ) and that money will be a godsend for them The only reason the crash happened is because he’d signed for Cardiff and but for that he’d of still been playing for Nantes To me they are fully entitled to ask for it and I would imagine Cardiff will be insured Nantes are doing nothing unethical I would imagine Cardiff have him insured but will they pay out without the body not being recovered. I suppose technically he is not dead. Yep that’s certainly another angle to it
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 6, 2019 19:38:54 GMT
If the media had any decorum then this would be conducted behind closed doors without intrusion, because at the end of the day a contractual, business transaction has taken place.
But I suppose that doesn’t sell papers.
Fucking vermin of the highest order.
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Post by sifta on Feb 6, 2019 19:39:13 GMT
I would imagine Cardiff have him insured but will they pay out without the body not being recovered. I suppose technically he is not dead. Yep that’s certainly another angle to it
Its irrelevant, Nantes aren't due the money on his death. That would be a strange transfer deal! Nantes were due the money once the paperwork was signed, according to the agreed payment schedule.
Cardiff may have an issue about whether they or their insurers pay it, but to hold up payment because of questions about what happened is poor to say the least.
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Post by nonameface on Feb 6, 2019 20:17:38 GMT
I think this reflects worse on Cardiff than Nantes. Cardiff should have been in touch with arrangements to pay and not let it come to this. If they are trying to wriggle out of paying then that's disgusting. Completely this. Disgusting how Cardiff are dealing with this. Can't imagine they've taken out an insurance, but will now have to cough up. They should be deducted points for even making this hit the news, disgraceful.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 23:29:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 3:35:20 GMT
Nantes are owed the money,but the timeing of asking for the money could have been better. Nantes have bills to pay at their end; they are a club that's perpetually in debt. What are they supposed to do, pretend it never happened?
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Post by 3putts on Feb 7, 2019 3:41:40 GMT
Nantes have done nothing wrong a d are entitled to their money, howether common decency dictates that they wait until at least after the funeral? Cardiff could have contacted the club as well to avoid all this being aired in public
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Post by santy on Feb 7, 2019 7:39:37 GMT
Cardiff have put the brakes on because the insurance issues need to be sorted first it seems.
Irrespective of right or wrong this is something likely to end up in the courts (whether its Nantes vs Cardiff, or Cardiff vs Insurers) because its so far out there that there won't be anything legally tested to say what should happen.
I'd not make particular judgements either way, because an awful lot of things are going to happen that have to legally happen to make sure that the ultimate right conclusion is reached. If Nantes don't ask for the money, and don't follow the procedure then Cardiff's insurers could potentially wriggle out of it. If Cardiff just pay up and don't stall until their Insurers have investigated the issue, then their Insurers could say well you decided to pay out - that's your problem not ours. It's going to come across at times as probably very nasty, when the reality is just the legal systems and frameworks aren't built with cases like this in mind so given context it sounds a lot worse.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 8:13:13 GMT
Cardiff have put the brakes on because the insurance issues need to be sorted first it seems. Irrespective of right or wrong this is something likely to end up in the courts (whether its Nantes vs Cardiff, or Cardiff vs Insurers) because its so far out there that there won't be anything legally tested to say what should happen. I'd not make particular judgements either way, because an awful lot of things are going to happen that have to legally happen to make sure that the ultimate right conclusion is reached. If Nantes don't ask for the money, and don't follow the procedure then Cardiff's insurers could potentially wriggle out of it. If Cardiff just pay up and don't stall until their Insurers have investigated the issue, then their Insurers could say well you decided to pay out - that's your problem not ours. It's going to come across at times as probably very nasty, when the reality is just the legal systems and frameworks aren't built with cases like this in mind so given context it sounds a lot worse. He he hadn’t died Cardiff would owe the money and it would have nothing to do with insurers. The insurers are only involved because a Cardiff player has died. I don’t see what it has to do with Nantes and what right Cardiff have to stall because of the insurers. Cardiff owing Nantes money for a player they bought is completely separate to Cardiff’s battle with their insurers.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 7, 2019 10:29:17 GMT
Nantes have done nothing wrong a d are entitled to their money, howether common decency dictates that they wait until at least after the funeral?Cardiff could have contacted the club as well to avoid all this being aired in public If it isn't Sala's body that has been recovered, they may have a long wait for the funeral. My sympathies are all with Nantes. They didn't ask for the first installment to be paid until after the due date had passed. I quite understand that this is a tragedy for Cardiff as well as for the player's family - but all Cardiff had to do was pay a bill on time, I bet they managed to pay the wages of the manager and the Chief Executive on time at the end of last month. They'll manage to pay their players' wages and the wages of the tea lady and the staff in the club shop. They'll manage to pay their water rates and their electricity bill - what is so different about paying the first installment of a transfer fee for which they signed the paperwork a few weeks ago? Are they planning to pay Nantes interest at a daily rate on the £5 million or so which they have not paid on time? I bet that hasn't even crossed their minds!
If they have any decency the bank transfer to Nantes will already have been done this morning.
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Post by mattythestokie on Feb 7, 2019 11:32:18 GMT
I don’t understand the argument for Cardiff NOT paying Nantes?
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Post by mamasgloves on Feb 7, 2019 11:37:51 GMT
Desperately sad subject but there is a legal contract of sale and Cardiff are not abiding by it. He's their player. They SHOULD have insurance.
It's not fair to Nantes OR his previous club who are both counting on the money Cardiff are legally obliged to pay.
Nothing to do with "modern football"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 11:48:08 GMT
Desperately sad subject but there is a legal contract of sale and Cardiff are not abiding by it. He's their player. They SHOULD have insurance. It's not fair to Nantes OR his previous club who are both counting on the money Cardiff are legally obliged to pay. Nothing to do with "modern football" Is their a legal contract? Are Cardiff not abiding by it? Should Cardiff have insurance? Are Cardiff legally obliged to pay anything? Just a few questions I'd ask myself before posting something as fact
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