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Post by kickbolukanbite on Feb 4, 2019 18:28:24 GMT
I would really like to read a book about the demise of our club. A true account of everything that has happened and why it happened and who is to blame for this incredible collapse. To go from an established premier league side to what we see before us is just mind blowing. Will we ever really know the truth?
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Post by stokeson on Feb 4, 2019 18:30:57 GMT
You want the truth? You couldnt handle the truth..............
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 4, 2019 18:32:16 GMT
I'd like to read that too! The collapse is Sunderland and Bolton esque, but at least they could blame poor finances. Stoke don't have that excuse.
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Post by kickbolukanbite on Feb 4, 2019 18:35:48 GMT
You want the truth? You couldnt handle the truth.............. 😆 I'd like to fuckin try though!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 18:38:12 GMT
It’s pretty obvious, we’ve wasted an absolute shit load of money on piss poor players with bad attitudes.
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Post by mattyd on Feb 4, 2019 18:41:24 GMT
It's happened time after time. As mentioned, Sunderland, Bolton, but add to that Portsmouth, Coventry, Forest, Leeds. I even remember Bradford and Barnsley being in the Prem. We are certainly no better than any of the above. Look at the inaugural Prem Season... Arsenal, Aston Villa, Blackburn Rovers, Chelsea, Coventry City, Crystal Palace, Everton, Ipswich Town, Leeds United, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United, Middlesbrough, Norwich City, Nottingham Forest, Oldham Athletic, Queens Park Rangers, Sheffield Utd, Sheffield Wednesday, Southampton, Tottenham Hotspur, and Wimbledon. Quite a few are worse off than us...
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Feb 4, 2019 18:42:28 GMT
I'm blaming Brexit. Nobody {in authority} likes S-o-T's stance on it. Gave us Monkey Dust and Relegation to learn us.
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Post by Goonie on Feb 4, 2019 18:44:58 GMT
I'm blaming Brexit. Nobody {in authority} likes S-o-T's stance on it. Gave us Monkey Dust and Relegation to learn us. And we learnt good😁
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 4, 2019 18:45:56 GMT
I'm blaming Brexit. Nobody {in authority} likes S-o-T's stance on it. Gave us Monkey Dust and Relegation to learn us. You might be onto something there, June 2016 and things started really going wrong for Stoke. It's bloody Brexit!
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 4, 2019 18:50:12 GMT
I'm blaming Brexit. Nobody {in authority} likes S-o-T's stance on it. Gave us Monkey Dust and Relegation to learn us. You might be onto something there, June 2016 and things started really going wrong for Stoke. It's bloody Brexit! Yeah that’s true! Fuck the EU!
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Post by march4 on Feb 4, 2019 18:52:20 GMT
The difference between us and those other clubs who slid down the leagues is that we are financially richer than most clubs in the Prem.
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Post by elystokie on Feb 4, 2019 18:57:19 GMT
I'm blaming Brexit. Nobody {in authority} likes S-o-T's stance on it. Gave us Monkey Dust and Relegation to learn us. Statistics prove it. If we'd had the correct refereeing decisions we'd have stayed up.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 4, 2019 19:02:57 GMT
Its just poor management, Hughes lost it in the end using a system that didn't suit what he had, as well as failing to replace the players he inherited once their age had caught up with them, once this happened and the money's spent its very hard to turn it around, it doesn't take much to drop from mid table to relegation and from then on its a bit of a battle.
Those that bounce straight back up usually have a decent squad already thats been poorly used, unfortunately we had the double hit of a poor squad and poor management.
I'm hopeful it can be sorted in the summer but its still a big ask, it helps that a few will be out of contract but if the club aren't willing to lose a far bit on transfer fees Jones is still going to be fighting an up hill battle.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 19:04:02 GMT
Apathy from millionaire players sparked into life when Berahino arrived
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Feb 4, 2019 19:06:16 GMT
Carl 'the truth' Williams. Decent boxers nickname but no Apollo Creed aka 'the Count of Monte Fisto' :-)
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Post by onefatcopper on Feb 4, 2019 19:15:34 GMT
The decade from 08/09 to 18/19 has been overseen by our current CEO Tony Scholes and later in the process he was joined by the current Technical Director Mark Cartwright, this is the transfer records during that period:- EXPENDITURE, -£308.86 million, INCOME,+ £101.48 million, BALANCE,- £230.42 million the final balance contains temporary loan fees etc. And now we find ourselves with a team of journeymen footballers, with just two who could make a impression on the transfer market, the remainder are probably worth less than the purchase price or even worthless to the club due to their wages and length of contract. How can a club who has spent the last ten years in the richest football league on the planet be £230.42 million in the red on transfers ? The reason is the PROCESS ! A process of paying overinflated transfer fees, players signed on long term contracts, players signed without due diligence, players sold beneath market value, etc Remember during this period we have had one man at the helm and he has watched this situation develop, you might argue that the CEO has no responsibility for what happens on the pitch, but he he has the responsibility for how Stoke City the business is run .
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 4, 2019 19:17:25 GMT
Apathy from millionaire players sparked into life when Berahino arrived I'll think you'll find that apathy from the owners is more to blame.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 4, 2019 19:38:36 GMT
The decade from 08/09 to 18/19 has been overseen by our current CEO Tony Scholes and later in the process he was joined by the current Technical Director Mark Cartwright, this is the transfer records during that period:- EXPENDITURE, -£308.86 million, INCOME,+ £101.48 million, BALANCE,- £230.42 million the final balance contains temporary loan fees etc. And now we find ourselves with a team of journeymen footballers, with just two who could make a impression on the transfer market, the remainder are probably worth less than the purchase price or even worthless to the club due to their wages and length of contract. How can a club who has spent the last ten years in the richest football league on the planet be £230.42 million in the red on transfers ? The reason is the PROCESS ! A process of paying overinflated transfer fees, players signed on long term contracts, players signed without due diligence, players sold beneath market value, etc Remember during this period we have had one man at the helm and he has watched this situation develop, you might argue that the CEO has no responsibility for what happens on the pitch, but he he has the responsibility for how Stoke City the business is run . Not sure what your income number is because that’s one year , but your view is 100% spot on, unforgivable incompetence and no courage to stand up and acnowledge it
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 19:41:23 GMT
The decade from 08/09 to 18/19 has been overseen by our current CEO Tony Scholes and later in the process he was joined by the current Technical Director Mark Cartwright, this is the transfer records during that period:- EXPENDITURE, -£308.86 million, INCOME,+ £101.48 million, BALANCE,- £230.42 million the final balance contains temporary loan fees etc. And now we find ourselves with a team of journeymen footballers, with just two who could make a impression on the transfer market, the remainder are probably worth less than the purchase price or even worthless to the club due to their wages and length of contract. How can a club who has spent the last ten years in the richest football league on the planet be £230.42 million in the red on transfers ? The reason is the PROCESS ! A process of paying overinflated transfer fees, players signed on long term contracts, players signed without due diligence, players sold beneath market value, etc Remember during this period we have had one man at the helm and he has watched this situation develop, you might argue that the CEO has no responsibility for what happens on the pitch, but he he has the responsibility for how Stoke City the business is run . Not sure what your income number is because that’s one year , but your view is 100% spot on, unforgivable incompetence and no courage to stand up and acnowledge it No responsibility taken from anyone at the club from the pitch to the boardroom.
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Post by onefatcopper on Feb 4, 2019 19:44:56 GMT
The decade from 08/09 to 18/19 has been overseen by our current CEO Tony Scholes and later in the process he was joined by the current Technical Director Mark Cartwright, this is the transfer records during that period:- EXPENDITURE, -£308.86 million, INCOME,+ £101.48 million, BALANCE,- £230.42 million the final balance contains temporary loan fees etc. And now we find ourselves with a team of journeymen footballers, with just two who could make a impression on the transfer market, the remainder are probably worth less than the purchase price or even worthless to the club due to their wages and length of contract. How can a club who has spent the last ten years in the richest football league on the planet be £230.42 million in the red on transfers ? The reason is the PROCESS ! A process of paying overinflated transfer fees, players signed on long term contracts, players signed without due diligence, players sold beneath market value, etc Remember during this period we have had one man at the helm and he has watched this situation develop, you might argue that the CEO has no responsibility for what happens on the pitch, but he he has the responsibility for how Stoke City the business is run . Not sure what your income number is because that’s one year , but your view is 100% spot on, unforgivable incompetence and no courage to stand up and acnowledge it The income is from transfer fees received in the decade 08/09 to 18/19, all figures relate to that decade and may show incoming and outgoing loan fees
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Post by realstokebloke on Feb 4, 2019 19:47:52 GMT
The decade from 08/09 to 18/19 has been overseen by our current CEO Tony Scholes and later in the process he was joined by the current Technical Director Mark Cartwright, this is the transfer records during that period:- EXPENDITURE, -£308.86 million, INCOME,+ £101.48 million, BALANCE,- £230.42 million the final balance contains temporary loan fees etc. And now we find ourselves with a team of journeymen footballers, with just two who could make a impression on the transfer market, the remainder are probably worth less than the purchase price or even worthless to the club due to their wages and length of contract. How can a club who has spent the last ten years in the richest football league on the planet be £230.42 million in the red on transfers ? The reason is the PROCESS ! A process of paying overinflated transfer fees, players signed on long term contracts, players signed without due diligence, players sold beneath market value, etc Remember during this period we have had one man at the helm and he has watched this situation develop, you might argue that the CEO has no responsibility for what happens on the pitch, but he he has the responsibility for how Stoke City the business is run . Peter has told us that there is "nothing wrong with the process".
So, if that is case, it's actually quite simple.
It must be the useless articles that are employed to manage and run the process.
And yet, all those millions down the pan later, here we are and there they are - still in their jobs.
Utter nonsense.
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Post by rawli on Feb 4, 2019 19:50:32 GMT
Apathy from millionaire players sparked into life when Berahino arrived I'll think you'll find that apathy from the owners is more to blame. Comfort set in. They were either convinced by someone or convinced themselves that they could stay up on the cheap. It worked for a while but when we dropped we dropped like a stone. Arrogance and vanity has taken hold of the whole club and we're still not over it.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 4, 2019 19:50:41 GMT
Not sure what your income number is because that’s one year , but your view is 100% spot on, unforgivable incompetence and no courage to stand up and acnowledge it The income is from transfer fees received in the decade 08/09 to 18/19, all figures relate to that decade and may show incoming and outgoing loan fees Understood thanks
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Feb 4, 2019 19:50:54 GMT
Players were getting older and slower. Complacency was setting in ("...so, as long as we avoid relegation..." because "what's all the fuss..."). Poor transfers, irrespective of cost. Oh shit, this came on quick -- nope, not really, the sky was falling.
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Post by onefatcopper on Feb 4, 2019 19:53:33 GMT
The decade from 08/09 to 18/19 has been overseen by our current CEO Tony Scholes and later in the process he was joined by the current Technical Director Mark Cartwright, this is the transfer records during that period:- EXPENDITURE, -£308.86 million, INCOME,+ £101.48 million, BALANCE,- £230.42 million the final balance contains temporary loan fees etc. And now we find ourselves with a team of journeymen footballers, with just two who could make a impression on the transfer market, the remainder are probably worth less than the purchase price or even worthless to the club due to their wages and length of contract. How can a club who has spent the last ten years in the richest football league on the planet be £230.42 million in the red on transfers ? The reason is the PROCESS ! A process of paying overinflated transfer fees, players signed on long term contracts, players signed without due diligence, players sold beneath market value, etc Remember during this period we have had one man at the helm and he has watched this situation develop, you might argue that the CEO has no responsibility for what happens on the pitch, but he he has the responsibility for how Stoke City the business is run . Peter has told us that there is "nothing wrong with the process".
So, if that is case, it's actually quite simple.
It must be the useless articles that are employed to manage and run the process.
And yet, all those millions down the pan later, here we are and there they are - still in their jobs.
Utter nonsense.
We are doing extremely well in one league ! In a list of teams with the greatest outlay on transfer fees for the past decade Stoke City fc, sit proudly at N/o 13, That’s in WORLD football !
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 19:54:09 GMT
When we got to the three nines we thought we had it made and could just sit back and enjoy it. The hardworking ideals that got us there just went out the window in favour of laid back measures that did us in.
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Post by realstokebloke on Feb 4, 2019 20:03:05 GMT
Peter has told us that there is "nothing wrong with the process".
So, if that is case, it's actually quite simple.
It must be the useless articles that are employed to manage and run the process.
And yet, all those millions down the pan later, here we are and there they are - still in their jobs.
Utter nonsense.
We are doing extremely well in one league ! In a list of teams with the greatest outlay on transfer fees for the past decade Stoke City fc, sit proudly at N/o 13, That’s in WORLD football ! I know.
Truly staggering.
Praise the good lord Pete progressed from flogging meat n' tater pies and has a very clever daughter in order that the family have been able to actually pour that much into the black hole that is SCFC.
Doesn't make it right though.
Or give those in the seats a royal pardon.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 4, 2019 20:15:01 GMT
1.Hughes didn’t make sure we covered the basics - got his hands on some flair players but didn’t get players of good ability and sound character to cover the hard yards. 2.Owners decided we were ‘PL established’ and decided to reign in the spending for us to become more ‘sustainable’ - we were not ‘established’ anywhere near as much as they thought. 3.The Acadamy system has been a total let down so there has been no flow of talent into the first team. 4. Loads of players who have totally failed to live up to expectations - ie poor recruitment or poor coaching or both by successive management teams.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 20:18:54 GMT
We simply failed at every level from the top down. It's as complex and as simple as that and it's a well trodden path at high level, big money businesses.
Owners and senior directors lose focus and drive, those below get complacent with nobody challenging them from above and with slap dash decisions made at that level, it makes its way down to the shop floor, with day to day attitudes drifting into chaos.
In the blink of an eye it is all gone and the hard work to get back suddenly becomes 3 or 4 times as hard as it was when you were at the top.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 4, 2019 21:03:11 GMT
Stephen King should write this book.
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