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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Feb 4, 2019 21:18:06 GMT
Stephen King should write this book. Nah, this has Dickensian tragedy written all over it..."it was the best of times, it was the worst of times..."
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 4, 2019 21:21:23 GMT
This is hardly book stuff though. Books are for scandals and disrepute.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Feb 4, 2019 21:24:08 GMT
Some of it will probably come out when the likes of Charlie Adam release their books.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Feb 4, 2019 21:32:38 GMT
.... and I want a 'City of Culture' vote re-count. Or re-run, if it's good for Brexit, why not?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 4, 2019 21:33:57 GMT
Everyone remembers the teams that bounce straight back after relegation from the Premiership - but the vast majority of teams who get relegated stay there for a considerable amount of time. There is nothing special about Stoke's demise - in fact it is pretty much par for the course. The only real surprise is that we stayed up there for 10 years - now that is unusual.
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Post by jarvinski on Feb 4, 2019 21:34:09 GMT
I think Mr Vokes and Mr Batth now reslise they haven’t joined a great squad as they suggested over the week end, have joined one of the shit squads in the history of shit squads
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Post by elystokie on Feb 4, 2019 21:47:58 GMT
This is hardly book stuff though. Books are for scandals and disrepute. Ah yes, the Pulis era.
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Post by tony1234 on Feb 4, 2019 22:04:07 GMT
The decade from 08/09 to 18/19 has been overseen by our current CEO Tony Scholes and later in the process he was joined by the current Technical Director Mark Cartwright, this is the transfer records during that period:- EXPENDITURE, -£308.86 million, INCOME,+ £101.48 million, BALANCE,- £230.42 million the final balance contains temporary loan fees etc. And now we find ourselves with a team of journeymen footballers, with just two who could make a impression on the transfer market, the remainder are probably worth less than the purchase price or even worthless to the club due to their wages and length of contract. How can a club who has spent the last ten years in the richest football league on the planet be £230.42 million in the red on transfers ? The reason is the PROCESS ! A process of paying overinflated transfer fees, players signed on long term contracts, players signed without due diligence, players sold beneath market value, etc Remember during this period we have had one man at the helm and he has watched this situation develop, you might argue that the CEO has no responsibility for what happens on the pitch, but he he has the responsibility for how Stoke City the business is run . Peter has told us that there is "nothing wrong with the process".
So, if that is case, it's actually quite simple.
It must be the useless articles that are employed to manage and run the process.
And yet, all those millions down the pan later, here we are and there they are - still in their jobs.
Utter nonsense.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 4, 2019 22:44:46 GMT
The difference between us and those other clubs who slid down the leagues is that we are financially richer than most clubs in the Prem. It is madness isn't it? Just write down a list of our players. All big names, cost huge sums of money, all highly rated when we signed them, all turned to absolute shit in a stoke shirt. My pal came up from stoke to visit me at the weekend. When we talked about stoke city we just shook out heads. There have been many bad times and we can always see why, and maybe see a way forward, but this is astonishing. It is just unbelievable, like the club is cursed.
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Post by claytonscrubs on Feb 4, 2019 22:45:15 GMT
The rot set in after the signing of Mr Gloves, then Stoke’s owners and transfer muppets...
1) Sacked Hughes at the wrong time. 2) Appointed two inferior managers in Lambert & Rowett. 3) Spunked millions on substandard, overpaid, overrated dross, who aren’t fit to lace the boots of players like Nzonzi, Arnautovic, Bojan and Shaqiri.
The result > A complete and utter clusterfuck!!!
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 4, 2019 22:48:38 GMT
Everyone remembers the teams that bounce straight back after relegation from the Premiership - but the vast majority of teams who get relegated stay there for a considerable amount of time. There is nothing special about Stoke's demise - in fact it is pretty much par for the course. The only real surprise is that we stayed up there for 10 years - now that is unusual. bizarre way of looking at it. Stoke established themselves as a top flight club over a decade. In that context, and the fact the money taps have never been turned off, the level of our failure is unprecedented. I can't think of another example, a long serving prem club going down, not dismantling its squad, in fact spending a shit load of cash, and getting even worse in the division below? How is any of this par for the course? It definitely isn't
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 4, 2019 23:07:04 GMT
We simply failed at every level from the top down. It's as complex and as simple as that and it's a well trodden path at high level, big money businesses. Owners and senior directors lose focus and drive, those below get complacent with nobody challenging them from above and with slap dash decisions made at that level, it makes its way down to the shop floor, with day to day attitudes drifting into chaos. In the blink of an eye it is all gone and the hard work to get back suddenly becomes 3 or 4 times as hard as it was when you were at the top. True, add to the players, transfers, etc referred to above: the academy's failure to produce established first team players, IT, the tardiness in filling the corner in, the appalling access to the stadium.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Feb 4, 2019 23:08:16 GMT
The difference between us and those other clubs who slid down the leagues is that we are financially richer than most clubs in the Prem. It is madness isn't it? Just write down a list of our players. All big names, cost huge sums of money, all highly rated when we signed them, all turned to absolute shit in a stoke shirt. My pal came up from stoke to visit me at the weekend. When we talked about stoke city we just shook out heads. There have been many bad times and we can always see why, and maybe see a way forward, but this is astonishing. It is just unbelievable, like the club is cursed. Here’s your list. I don’t think there is anyone missing From January 2013 Shea Butland Bardsley Bony Gudietti Fletcher Joselu Bojan Muniesa Given Berahino Wimmer Imbula Wollschied Shaqiri Arnautivic Assaidi Afellay Allen Sobhi Grant Haugarrd Van Ginkel Johnson Indi Teixeira Sidwell Diouf Moses Agudelo Odemwingie Ireland Jese Pennant (new contract) Pieters Tymon Choupo Moting Zouma January 2018 Stafylidis Bauer Ndiaye Summer 2018 Clucas Ince McLean Etobe Williams Afobe Martina Federici January 2019 Vokes Batth Corrigan
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 4, 2019 23:33:05 GMT
Everyone remembers the teams that bounce straight back after relegation from the Premiership - but the vast majority of teams who get relegated stay there for a considerable amount of time. There is nothing special about Stoke's demise - in fact it is pretty much par for the course. The only real surprise is that we stayed up there for 10 years - now that is unusual. bizarre way of looking at it. Stoke established themselves as a top flight club over a decade. In that context, and the fact the money taps have never been turned off, the level of our failure is unprecedented. I can't think of another example, a long serving prem club going down, not dismantling its squad, in fact spending a shit load of cash, and getting even worse in the division below? How is any of this par for the course? It definitely isn't Especially when you see Bournemouth and Watford sitting comfortably mid table. Our fall has been as dramatic as any I can think of. We went from very good to abysmal in the blink of an eye.
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Post by rawli on Feb 4, 2019 23:48:01 GMT
It is madness isn't it? Just write down a list of our players. All big names, cost huge sums of money, all highly rated when we signed them, all turned to absolute shit in a stoke shirt. My pal came up from stoke to visit me at the weekend. When we talked about stoke city we just shook out heads. There have been many bad times and we can always see why, and maybe see a way forward, but this is astonishing. It is just unbelievable, like the club is cursed. Here’s your list. I don’t think there is anyone missing From January 2013 Shea Butland Bardsley Bony Gudietti Fletcher Joselu Bojan Muniesa Given Berahino Wimmer Imbula Wollschied Shaqiri Arnautivic Assaidi Afellay Allen Sobhi Grant Haugarrd Van Ginkel Johnson Indi Teixeira Sidwell Diouf Moses Agudelo Odemwingie Ireland Jese Pennant (new contract) Pieters Tymon Choupo Moting Zouma January 2018 Stafylidis Bauer Ndiaye Summer 2018 Clucas Ince McLean Etobe Williams Afobe Martina Federici January 2019 Vokes Batth Corrigan The policy of buying overpriced players with little if any resale value started with Pulis (with exceptions of Begovic and NZonzi - which we managed to bollocks up) and carried on through Hughes (with the exceptions of Arnautovic and Shaqiri - which we managed to bollocks up). It was shortsighted but fine as long as they were hard workers and we were able to retain premier league status. As soon as the wasters came in we were destined to be fucked. Rowett carried on the tradition. These players as listed CAN'T be all down to the managers - the transfer team and their process is to blame. How the chairman (whoever he is) can't see past these 2 is astonishing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 0:30:32 GMT
Stephen King should write this book. Nah, this has Dickensian tragedy written all over it..."it was the best of times, it was the worst of times..." yes yes yes now read on It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way--in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only. There were a king with a large jaw and a queen with a plain face, on the throne of England; there were a king with a large jaw and a queen with a fair face, on the throne of France. In both countries it was clearer than crystal to the lords of the State preserves of loaves and fishes, that things in general were settled for ever. Feel free to read more
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 6:05:51 GMT
It was failing under pulis who was well known to recruit the right DNA so mot sure about attitude
I think players are just short on belief
Owners should have invested in a higher profile manager that they would believe in
All we can do now is support Jones and allow him to clear the decks for his men...
And hope they'll be good enough
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Post by nik80 on Feb 5, 2019 6:38:06 GMT
I would really like to read a book about the demise of our club. A true account of everything that has happened and why it happened and who is to blame for this incredible collapse. To go from an established premier league side to what we see before us is just mind blowing. Will we ever really know the truth? Truth is only true from a certain perspective and there are only really seven “established” Premier League club’s, all others are capable of Stoke style collapses. The reason we did is because certain people got sloppy. Shouldn’t have happened but not entirely unique.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 5, 2019 13:27:30 GMT
Everyone remembers the teams that bounce straight back after relegation from the Premiership - but the vast majority of teams who get relegated stay there for a considerable amount of time. There is nothing special about Stoke's demise - in fact it is pretty much par for the course. The only real surprise is that we stayed up there for 10 years - now that is unusual. bizarre way of looking at it. Stoke established themselves as a top flight club over a decade. In that context, and the fact the money taps have never been turned off, the level of our failure is unprecedented. I can't think of another example, a long serving prem club going down, not dismantling its squad, in fact spending a shit load of cash, and getting even worse in the division below? How is any of this par for the course? It definitely isn't Look around the Championship at the likes of Villa, Leeds, Blackburn, Bolton - and while you are at it look lower to Portsmouth, Charlton, Sunderland...all who would at one point have considered themselves established Premiership sides - and probably all with a bunch of fans shaking their heads asking where it all went wrong. Now look at the Premiership and identify the sides that bounced straight back. Newcastle, West Ham - any others? Our situation is the rule, not the exception and yet a good number of our fans are still wandering around like a punch drunk fighter telling everyone in earshot that they could have been a contender - and everyone around them pissimg themselves with laughter at their pathetic delusions of grandeur. We are (hopefully) a mid Championship side looking to build a squad that can actually compete in the top half of this league. That is the Truth and the sooner every fan realizes this and gets behind the club (the real one - not the imaginary one) the better.
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Post by devondumpling on Feb 5, 2019 13:33:38 GMT
bizarre way of looking at it. Stoke established themselves as a top flight club over a decade. In that context, and the fact the money taps have never been turned off, the level of our failure is unprecedented. I can't think of another example, a long serving prem club going down, not dismantling its squad, in fact spending a shit load of cash, and getting even worse in the division below? How is any of this par for the course? It definitely isn't Look around the Championship at the likes of Villa, Leeds, Blackburn, Bolton - and while you are at it look lower to Portsmouth, Charlton, Sunderland...all who would at one point have considered themselves established Premiership sides - and probably all with a bunch of fans shaking their heads asking where it all went wrong. Now look at the Premiership and identify the sides that bounced straight back. Newcastle, West Ham - any others? Our situation is the rule, not the exception and yet a good number of our fans are still wandering around like a punch drunk fighter telling everyone in earshot that they could have been a contender - and everyone around them pissimg themselves with laughter at their pathetic delusions of grandeur. We are (hopefully) a mid Championship side looking to build a squad that can actually compete in the top half of this league. That is the Truth and the sooner every fan realizes this and gets behind the club (the real one - not the imaginary one) the better. Burnley?
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Post by lawrieleslie on Feb 5, 2019 13:47:33 GMT
It’s pretty obvious, we’ve wasted an absolute shit load of money on piss poor players with bad attitudes. Yes and the psychological effect on "normal" players from the appalling Imbula, Berahino, Wimmer, Ndaiye purchases and the Jesse loan plus successive managers ignoring players that could well have made a difference was a major contributing factor to relegation imo. Add to this senior players like Arnie, Shaq and Butland openly critising the club, players and transfer policy plus 4 managers in under a year all played their part.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 5, 2019 13:51:55 GMT
Here’s your list. I don’t think there is anyone missing From January 2013 Shea Butland Bardsley Bony Gudietti Fletcher Joselu Bojan Muniesa Given Berahino Wimmer Imbula Wollschied Shaqiri Arnautivic Assaidi Afellay Allen Sobhi Grant Haugarrd Van Ginkel Johnson Indi Teixeira Sidwell Diouf Moses Agudelo Odemwingie Ireland Jese Pennant (new contract) Pieters Tymon Choupo Moting Zouma January 2018 Stafylidis Bauer Ndiaye Summer 2018 Clucas Ince McLean Etobe Williams Afobe Martina Federici January 2019 Vokes Batth Corrigan The policy of buying overpriced players with little if any resale value started with Pulis (with exceptions of Begovic and NZonzi - which we managed to bollocks up) and carried on through Hughes (with the exceptions of Arnautovic and Shaqiri - which we managed to bollocks up). It was shortsighted but fine as long as they were hard workers and we were able to retain premier league status. As soon as the wasters came in we were destined to be fucked. Rowett carried on the tradition. These players as listed CAN'T be all down to the managers - the transfer team and their process is to blame. How the chairman (whoever he is) can't see past these 2 is astonishing. What a staggering. List if sustained incompetence , even if they try the “Nuremberg “ excuse of the manager which of course is bollocks who selects the manager ? I’m more and more convinced we are heading for a catastrophe on all fronts when we meet out destiny at Millwall .
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Post by skemstokie on Feb 5, 2019 13:56:10 GMT
The difference between us and those other clubs who slid down the leagues is that we are financially richer than most clubs in the Prem. The owners and benefactors are rich but they under F.F.P. rules and (even if they wanted to )cannot overspend, we have a bad a run with poor player signings and poor manager appointments but i think if given time we have got a bright future ahead of us,we are switching the style of play(as requested on this board) and that will not happen in weeks but months,sit tight and look forwards to brighter future.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Feb 5, 2019 14:02:02 GMT
It is madness isn't it? Just write down a list of our players. All big names, cost huge sums of money, all highly rated when we signed them, all turned to absolute shit in a stoke shirt. My pal came up from stoke to visit me at the weekend. When we talked about stoke city we just shook out heads. There have been many bad times and we can always see why, and maybe see a way forward, but this is astonishing. It is just unbelievable, like the club is cursed. Here’s your list. I don’t think there is anyone missing From January 2013 Shea Butland Bardsley Bony Gudietti Fletcher Joselu Bojan Muniesa Given Berahino Wimmer Imbula Wollschied Shaqiri Arnautivic Assaidi Afellay Allen Sobhi Grant Haugarrd Van Ginkel Johnson Indi Teixeira Sidwell Diouf Moses Agudelo Odemwingie Ireland Jese Pennant (new contract) Pieters Tymon Choupo Moting Zouma January 2018 Stafylidis Bauer Ndiaye Summer 2018 Clucas Ince McLean Etobe Williams Afobe Martina Federici January 2019 Vokes Batth Corrigan Some real quality in there....Jesus H Christ. The success rate is akin to our penalty record. Woeful.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 5, 2019 14:39:23 GMT
Look around the Championship at the likes of Villa, Leeds, Blackburn, Bolton - and while you are at it look lower to Portsmouth, Charlton, Sunderland...all who would at one point have considered themselves established Premiership sides - and probably all with a bunch of fans shaking their heads asking where it all went wrong. Now look at the Premiership and identify the sides that bounced straight back. Newcastle, West Ham - any others? Our situation is the rule, not the exception and yet a good number of our fans are still wandering around like a punch drunk fighter telling everyone in earshot that they could have been a contender - and everyone around them pissimg themselves with laughter at their pathetic delusions of grandeur. We are (hopefully) a mid Championship side looking to build a squad that can actually compete in the top half of this league. That is the Truth and the sooner every fan realizes this and gets behind the club (the real one - not the imaginary one) the better. Burnley? Fair enough but what about the other 6 teams that didn't bounce back in those years and all the years (like last year) where no teams bounced straight back? My point stands - our situation is the rule, not the exception. Apart from the big six any team can go down and once they do they are liklely to stay there for some time. Why anyone is surprised by our situation is beyond me. It's what happens when you have a particularly bad season in the Premiership which can happen to any club outside the top 6.
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Post by chad on Feb 5, 2019 15:13:41 GMT
The difference between us and those other clubs who slid down the leagues is that we are financially richer than most clubs in the Prem. The owners and benefactors are rich but they under F.F.P. rules and (even if they wanted to )cannot overspend, we have a bad a run with poor player signings and poor manager appointments but i think if given time we have got a bright future ahead of us,we are switching the style of play(as requested on this board) and that will not happen in weeks but months,sit tight and look forwards to brighter future. Don’t talk such common sense !!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 15:41:52 GMT
They is a saying in football ...
Any manager is only as good as his players
I have never met any of them , but I am certain Lambert/Rowett/NJ will confirm that is as true at Stoke, as anywhere
Until we get back on track with player recruitment , our club is going nowhere but down the leagues
You can't blag it with sh#t players in professional football
It's not possible and it never has been .
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Post by onefatcopper on Feb 5, 2019 16:26:54 GMT
bizarre way of looking at it. Stoke established themselves as a top flight club over a decade. In that context, and the fact the money taps have never been turned off, the level of our failure is unprecedented. I can't think of another example, a long serving prem club going down, not dismantling its squad, in fact spending a shit load of cash, and getting even worse in the division below? How is any of this par for the course? It definitely isn't Especially when you see Bournemouth and Watford sitting comfortably mid table. Our fall has been as dramatic as any I can think of. We went from very good to abysmal in the blink of an eye. At the moment everything looks fine at Bournemouth, but take a look under the facade and it’s not looking that great ! This is the same table as per Stoke, covering the past decade. expenditure :- £-208.38 million, income:- £+50.03, Balance :- £-175.94, this leaves Bournemouth at N/o 18 in the World football list for transfer expenditure/income, they have taken the risk in making some head turning signings lately to ensure their Premier League status, but what if the wheels fall off ? They recoup little in gate money due to the size of their stadium and have already had their knuckles rapped for how they achieved Premier League status ! One of the wisest things that Peter Coates has ever done for the club is to purchase the Stadiums ownership outright, at least it’s a asset and if times get tough it can be re-mortgaged !
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 5, 2019 17:30:18 GMT
bizarre way of looking at it. Stoke established themselves as a top flight club over a decade. In that context, and the fact the money taps have never been turned off, the level of our failure is unprecedented. I can't think of another example, a long serving prem club going down, not dismantling its squad, in fact spending a shit load of cash, and getting even worse in the division below? How is any of this par for the course? It definitely isn't Look around the Championship at the likes of Villa, Leeds, Blackburn, Bolton - and while you are at it look lower to Portsmouth, Charlton, Sunderland...all who would at one point have considered themselves established Premiership sides - and probably all with a bunch of fans shaking their heads asking where it all went wrong. Now look at the Premiership and identify the sides that bounced straight back. Newcastle, West Ham - any others? Our situation is the rule, not the exception and yet a good number of our fans are still wandering around like a punch drunk fighter telling everyone in earshot that they could have been a contender - and everyone around them pissimg themselves with laughter at their pathetic delusions of grandeur. We are (hopefully) a mid Championship side looking to build a squad that can actually compete in the top half of this league. That is the Truth and the sooner every fan realizes this and gets behind the club (the real one - not the imaginary one) the better. None of those other clubs you mentioned are in any way similar to what has happened here. None of them had a pot to piss in. Newcastle went down twice and came straight back, spending probably a similar amount to us. You are the one who is deluding himself, once again might I add
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 17:53:19 GMT
Re this season alone, a lot of money has been spent but I do wonder whether it was spent on the right “sort” of players. They cannot be as bad as they are in terms of footballing ability at the moment but something is wrong attitude wise and bar Woods all of those bought in the summer had either been relegated or recently been promoted or move to the Prem then immediately seemed not good enough:
Afobe - crucial to Wolves promotion campaign, bought then sold back to us in the Championship. Clucas - relegated with Swansea. McClean - relegated with West Brom. Ince - moved to Prem from Championship then deemed sellable by Huddersfield within a year and now back in the Championship.
Was it really a good idea to try to rebuild in the Championship with players that were probably a little bit pissed about being here? Or did that just add fuel to the fire on top of our existing squad that were still licking their wounds?
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