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Post by royalewithcheese on Jul 21, 2019 14:33:48 GMT
He needs to learn to keep his gob shit tbh Why? Loads of fans are ok to rip him to shreds and he can't even retort? I could understand if what he said was contentious, but it isn't. Suck it up.
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Post by ursemboys on Jul 21, 2019 14:39:12 GMT
Totally agree with McClean,wish more players would put the effort in he does.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2019 14:50:57 GMT
I was pleasantly surprised with what I saw yesterday and it turned out the opposite of what I thought I would see. Ward - very one tracked, went round the outside time and again with very hit and miss delivery. McClean - very flexible, sometimes went outside, sometimes cut inside with generally decent delivery. The engine on him is exactly how you would expect. The key part of this is how he does against teams that will attack us better than Tranmere. That's just it, Leicester should be a test, that's for certain.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2019 14:54:42 GMT
He needs to learn to keep his gob shit tbh Is that somewhere between open and shut?
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 21, 2019 15:22:59 GMT
Weird how some of our expert fans can see things from 90 mins of football every week that many professional coaches and managers who work with them for hours & hours each week can’t. Proper head scratcher. The most ridiculous argument ever. What's the point of debating football if you believe every manager 'knows best'? Not suggesting every manager knows best, they clearly make mistakes. But I’ve seen comments like “McClean is no better than League 1” which, given he’s spent his whole career in the top 2 flights in England and has an international career, is laughable. To suggest that McClean is not good enough for this division, even though every coach and manager that he’s ever worked under thinks otherwise, is to suggest that every coach and manager he’s ever worked under has been wrong and some of our fans are right. Which is hugely unlikely. He must have some qualities that make him worth signing, especially given the baggage he comes with, don’t you think?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 21, 2019 15:32:37 GMT
The most ridiculous argument ever. What's the point of debating football if you believe every manager 'knows best'? Not suggesting every manager knows best, they clearly make mistakes. But I’ve seen comments like “McClean is no better than League 1” which, given he’s spent his whole career in the top 2 flights in England and has an international career, is laughable. To suggest that McClean is not good enough for this division, even though every coach and manager that he’s ever worked under thinks otherwise, is to suggest that every coach and manager he’s ever worked under has been wrong and some of our fans are right. Which is hugely unlikely. He must have some qualities that make him worth signing, especially given the baggage he comes with, don’t you think? He isn’t though. He’s shown time and time again he isn’t. He has no good attribute bar his fitness/work ethic which anyone can do if they put their mind to it. His quality is not that of someone who should be playing in this league.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 21, 2019 15:41:32 GMT
Weird how some of our expert fans can see things from 90 mins of football every week that many professional coaches and managers who work with them for hours & hours each week can’t. Proper head scratcher. That argument kinda falls down when you think back to Shotton on the wing
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 21, 2019 15:41:48 GMT
He needs to learn to keep his gob shit tbh He can say what he likes.
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Post by sportsman on Jul 21, 2019 15:42:56 GMT
He needs to learn to keep his gob shit tbh Why? Loads of fans are ok to rip him to shreds and he can't even retort? I could understand if what he said was contentious, but it isn't. Suck it up. Exactly
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Post by sportsman on Jul 21, 2019 15:44:45 GMT
Not suggesting every manager knows best, they clearly make mistakes. But I’ve seen comments like “McClean is no better than League 1” which, given he’s spent his whole career in the top 2 flights in England and has an international career, is laughable. To suggest that McClean is not good enough for this division, even though every coach and manager that he’s ever worked under thinks otherwise, is to suggest that every coach and manager he’s ever worked under has been wrong and some of our fans are right. Which is hugely unlikely. He must have some qualities that make him worth signing, especially given the baggage he comes with, don’t you think? He isn’t though. He’s shown time and time again he isn’t. He has no good attribute bar his fitness/work ethic which anyone can do if they put their mind to it. His quality is not that of someone who should be playing in this league. Yet he continually does. Must be a lot of shit managers out there.
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Post by roylandstoke on Jul 21, 2019 15:50:11 GMT
McClean is going to be this season's Cresswell, isn't he? If McClean scores 11 league goals I'll... ( fill in whatever ridiculously unlikely event you feel is appropriate)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 21, 2019 15:51:59 GMT
He isn’t though. He’s shown time and time again he isn’t. He has no good attribute bar his fitness/work ethic which anyone can do if they put their mind to it. His quality is not that of someone who should be playing in this league. Yet he continually does. Must be a lot of shit managers out there. Well yeah there is isn’t there! 3 of them we’ve had and I wouldn’t want any of them again.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 21, 2019 16:12:40 GMT
He cares enough to tweet. I know - I’m not saying it doesn’t get to him but hopefully he uses it as a positive force to drive him on. On the surface though he has to adopt a robust attitude or it would send him nuts. In an ideal world (or even a sensible world) none of it would even be an issue. It wouldn't be, if he didn't make it one.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 21, 2019 16:14:05 GMT
Weird how some of our expert fans can see things from 90 mins of football every week that many professional coaches and managers who work with them for hours & hours each week can’t. Proper head scratcher. That argument kinda falls down when you think back to Shotton on the wing
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Post by sportsman on Jul 21, 2019 16:15:29 GMT
I know - I’m not saying it doesn’t get to him but hopefully he uses it as a positive force to drive him on. On the surface though he has to adopt a robust attitude or it would send him nuts. In an ideal world (or even a sensible world) none of it would even be an issue. It wouldn't be, if he didn't make it one. Is it the same as you replying on here if someone gives you stick?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 21, 2019 16:16:12 GMT
I know - I’m not saying it doesn’t get to him but hopefully he uses it as a positive force to drive him on. On the surface though he has to adopt a robust attitude or it would send him nuts. In an ideal world (or even a sensible world) none of it would even be an issue. It wouldn't be, if he didn't make it one. And the left back talk is entirely on the manager. Yet here this clown is, spouting his mouth off when it's not needed.
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Post by sportsman on Jul 21, 2019 16:20:21 GMT
It wouldn't be, if he didn't make it one. And the left back talk is entirely on the manager. Yet here this clown is, spouting his mouth off when it's not needed. I await the responses to that one 😁
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Post by ursemboys on Jul 21, 2019 16:53:53 GMT
It wouldn't be, if he didn't make it one. And the left back talk is entirely on the manager. Yet here this clown is, spouting his mouth off when it's not needed. Pretty much the same has your doing and he is also very very rich clown 😀
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Post by RAF on Jul 21, 2019 21:45:51 GMT
I think it's laudable that some are happy to wait and see. For me left back is a priority position and we shouldn't be gambling on someone who is neither proven in this position nor can hold down his supposed natural position. That said I like the manager and I will back his decisions at the moment. Not that he should give a fuck if I don't!
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Post by stokie223 on Jul 21, 2019 22:38:24 GMT
I'm genuinely not sure what's worse; the fact that James McClean could be our starting LB in a formation where the full backs are absolutely pivotal to its success, or the amount of Stoke fans that are accepting/approving of it. It's insane. He's one of the worst footballers I have ever seen in a Stoke shirt in terms of technical ability - and that's some statement.
Football, like anything, is all about opinions. Mine personally is as above, he's garbage, but the only real weight you could add to either argument would be to look at his stats across his career... they're abysmal. He doesn't score goals and he doesn't get assists.
If you put a Jack Russell in a Stoke shirt it will run around for 90 minutes.
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Post by pavel on Jul 22, 2019 20:45:26 GMT
I'm genuinely not sure what's worse; the fact that James McClean could be our starting LB in a formation where the full backs are absolutely pivotal to its success, or the amount of Stoke fans that are accepting/approving of it. It's insane. He's one of the worst footballers I have ever seen in a Stoke shirt in terms of technical ability - and that's some statement. Football, like anything, is all about opinions. Mine personally is as above, he's garbage, but the only real weight you could add to either argument would be to look at his stats across his career... they're abysmal. He doesn't score goals and he doesn't get assists. If you put a Jack Russell in a Stoke shirt it will run around for 90 minutes. I don't know where to start with the thought with McClean as wing/left full back, perhaps he will be a revelation, but then I put my head back on again and think seriously how does he fit this key position in Jones's diamond where the full backs are key in terms of athleticism, pace, creativity and crossing. - athleticism, well he runs a lot, he works hard but as shown on many occasions his defensive awareness, positioning and tackling are suspect at the very least. - pace, ah well, lets' forget that one, mediocre in a straight line and that's without the ball. - creativity, remember he will be a key part of the supply to the forward(s), and as Pulis even said, he lacks in the final third! - Crossing, not his strong point, low hit rate and see above re, final third! Our fall from grace is epitomised by the thought of McClean in this role, a make do, shoehorned into a position that Jones sees as crucial to his preferred formation. We shall see what happens of course, and Jones could possibly see something we don't but I'm not convinced we can convert a mediocre winger into a devastating left full/wing back. I thought Jones would shake things up, but make and mend seems to be the order of the day.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 24, 2019 19:10:05 GMT
He needs to learn to keep his gob shit tbh Is that somewhere between open and shut? Gob shite ?
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Post by Veritas on Jul 24, 2019 20:53:15 GMT
Here we go again, next no doubt the rolling out of the UVF songs.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 5, 2019 13:43:24 GMT
Rico Henry available, and seemingly on his way to Celtic for measly £7m ALERT Come on. Let's be 'avin ya
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Post by shakermaker on Aug 5, 2019 14:34:35 GMT
Rico Henry available, and seemingly on his way to Celtic for measly £7m ALERT Come on. Let's be 'avin ya £7m may be a tad much for a player who hasn't played loads of games the past few seasons, but I reckon he'd be really good for NJ's system. We've spent £4m on a RB just out of the Premier League, so around the same for Rico and we're sorted. I hope NJ and co are onto this.
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Post by Absolution on Aug 5, 2019 14:57:56 GMT
You'd hope the Celtic activity alarm hasn't broken down else we'll never buy another player again.
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Post by tejstokie on Aug 5, 2019 16:06:53 GMT
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Post by andystokey on Aug 5, 2019 16:46:27 GMT
Rico Henry available, and seemingly on his way to Celtic for measly £7m ALERT Come on. Let's be 'avin ya He's probably the stand out candidate remaining if we really are interested in someone from our domestic leagues.
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Post by shakermaker on Aug 5, 2019 16:49:38 GMT
Bit of an injury risk, but as a free on a 1-year contract he would be an extremely prudent acquisition. He averaged almost a Key Pass every match from the 15 games he played at left-back for Swansea last season.
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Post by tejstokie on Aug 5, 2019 16:56:57 GMT
Bit of an injury risk, but as a free on a 1-year contract he would be an extremely prudent acquisition. He averaged almost a Key Pass every match from the 15 games he played at left-back for Swansea last season. I'd take him in a heartbeat on a free 1 year. Ridiculous this hasn't already been done or a move like it. McClean at LB we are going to be in the bottom 5 easily.
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