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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2019 15:58:48 GMT
Jennings caught at slip for 8 ! Sky Sports - "Jennings wafts at a loosener outside off stump and caught at slip. A familiar dismissal for the opener" !
Disgraceful - he's not good enough and shouldn't have been selected.
Currently 32-1
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Post by 3putts on Feb 9, 2019 16:08:24 GMT
Don’t worry I thought I would stick a fiver on England as I thought they were near 2/1 only just realised I have backed the windiest so expect England to win by an innings
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 9, 2019 17:11:08 GMT
Jennings caught at slip for 8 ! Sky Sports - "Jennings wafts at a loosener outside off stump and caught at slip. A familiar dismissal for the opener" ! Disgraceful - he's not good enough and shouldn't have been selected. Currently 32-1 Don't forget he was also dropped in the slips and should have been out LBW if the umpire was doing his job properly. In other words he had two huge let offs before he finally succumbed. But it's not his fault. The selectors are to blame. I feel sorry for him. Anyway - an opportunity for Burns, particularly, to stake a claim for the Ashes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2019 17:23:25 GMT
Jennings caught at slip for 8 ! Sky Sports - "Jennings wafts at a loosener outside off stump and caught at slip. A familiar dismissal for the opener" ! Disgraceful - he's not good enough and shouldn't have been selected. Currently 32-1 Don't forget he was also dropped in the slips and should have been out LBW if the umpire was doing his job properly. In other words he had two huge let offs before he finally succumbed. But it's not his fault. The selectors are to blame. I feel sorry for him. Anyway - an opportunity for Burns, particularly, to stake a claim for the Ashes. I agree that the selectors are at fault for picking him again but I don't feel sorry for him any more. He's had numerous chances but keeps on making the same mistakes time after time, he just never learns. I really am worried that he's going to be in the team for the Ashes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2019 18:17:40 GMT
77-3 - going well again !
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Post by sydneypotter on Feb 9, 2019 20:04:53 GMT
It’s beginning to look good for a close Ashes series. I understand that the English have agreed to stick strips of sandpaper to their bats..... just to help out.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 9, 2019 21:04:10 GMT
191-4. Can we get 200 before the collapse?🤑
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2019 21:06:32 GMT
Great recovery from Stokes and Buttler
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Post by lordb on Feb 9, 2019 21:56:24 GMT
This is what seemed likely before the series, shit openers then middle order recover the situation.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 9, 2019 23:59:42 GMT
If the selectors are really thinking of playing Jenninigs in the Ashes,we may as well hand the urn over to the Aussies here and now and have done with.
Even though the Aussies are no great shakes themselves at the moment,we can't afford to go into the Tests with 10 men.
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Post by 3putts on Feb 10, 2019 3:34:54 GMT
If the selectors are really thinking of playing Jenninigs in the Ashes,we may as well hand the urn over to the Aussies here and now and have done with. Even though the Aussies are no great shakes themselves at the moment,we can't afford to go into the Tests with 10 men. we just cannot seem to find a stubborn opener at the moment. someone who will occupy the crease. I don't have a problem with someone getting out to a good ball but an opener should never go wafting at a loose ball that should be left!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 6:13:56 GMT
Following the recent defeats in the first two tests, and yesterday's top order failure, I see Mark Ramprakash and Rob Key are now blaming the state of English county cricket wickets, and the current "must win quick" mentality for the lack of top quality top order batsmen.
They say the way the wickets are prepared doesn't really allow batsmen to dig in and make big county scores (not sure that's entirely right) and there is pressure to hit the runs as quickly as possible thereby risking getting out to a poor shot. Key quoted an innings by Ian Botham where he faced 209 (?) deliveries for 51 runs to save a test match against Pakistan. It clearly wasn't Botham's normal style to dig in but he read the pitch conditions and picked each delivery, something the modern day crop seem incapable of doing because they're not being taught that way.
They're also blaming T20 cricket for the change in batting philosophy ("try to hit a six every ball") which has made the England test team either superb to watch with "scintillating, swashbuckling innings", when things go well, or more often, pathetic losers with "spineless, gutless, frustrating, and infuriating innings" when things don't go well.
The other factor they've both identified is the way the English cricket calendar is constructed with white ball cricket taking place at the "wrong time" of the season when top order batsmen should be batting in "the test type conditions more akin to Australian conditions". Instead they end up playing county cricket slotted in around the T20 and limited overs competitions which doesn't give them much opportunity to dig in, hone technique, and build big scores.
They say unless the philosophy of English cricket changes completely with different wicket preparation, and different batting demands and techniques, we are more likely to continue to see the current failures continue.
Not sure I agree with all of that but some of it is valid.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 7:38:40 GMT
Following the recent defeats in the first two tests, and yesterday's top order failure, I see Mark Ramprakash and Rob Key are now blaming the state of English county cricket wickets, and the current "must win quick" mentality for the lack of top quality top order batsmen. They say the way the wickets are prepared doesn't really allow batsmen to dig in and make big county scores (not sure that's entirely right) and there is pressure to hit the runs as quickly as possible thereby risking getting out to a poor shot. Key quoted an innings by Ian Botham where he faced 209 (?) deliveries for 51 runs to save a test match against Pakistan. It clearly wasn't Botham's normal style to dig in but he read the pitch conditions and picked each delivery, something the modern day crop seem incapable of doing because they're not being taught that way. They're also blaming T20 cricket for the change in batting philosophy ("try to hit a six every ball") which has made the England test team either superb to watch with "scintillating, swashbuckling innings", when things go well, or more often, pathetic losers with "spineless, gutless, frustrating, and infuriating innings" when things don't go well. The other factor they've both identified is the way the English cricket calendar is constructed with white ball cricket taking place at the "wrong time" of the season when top order batsmen should be batting in "the test type conditions more akin to Australian conditions". Instead they end up playing county cricket slotted in around the T20 and limited overs competitions which doesn't give them much opportunity to dig in, hone technique, and build big scores. They say unless the philosophy of English cricket changes completely with different wicket preparation, and different batting demands and techniques, we are more likely to continue to see the current failures continue. Not sure I agree with all of that but some of it is valid. It's not just England who are suffering like this though is it? The whole attitude of "digging in" is a thing of the past the world over. How many tests do we see going the full five days and ending in draws in this day and age? Not many I'd say. Test cricket has and is still changing, and is becoming less important to the modern cricketer with each year that passes. To a lesser extent than football, Cricket is awash with money in all the short formats of the game, so it's a fairly natural course of events that the top players are going to be honing their skills for those formats first and foremost.
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 10, 2019 7:49:28 GMT
There's definitely something wrong but equally definitely things don't have to be as shit as they have been.
Two easy quick fixes...
1) Get the selection right.
Alistair Cook made a good point about the team for this test that the balance looked better. Meaning, we have picked 5 batsmen, an all rounder at 6, a keeper/batsman at 7 and 4 bowlers for the remaining places. Ok - the top 3 remain a problem, but Stokes is now in the right spot, we have 3 bona fide quick bowlers and while I would argue Moeen ain't our best spinner, he is not a bad selection.
(BTW - this approach could mean curtains for Bairstow in the long run because in the event that competing keepers are both reasonable batsmen the better keeper gets the job, Foakes should be selected ahead of Bairstow. Yorkshire nepotism may say something different though!)
2) Knuckle down and play for the team
Big (well maybe not so big) Bad Dave Warner came through T20 and adapted his crash bang wallop white ball game to test cricket. Shane Watson stepped up to open the batting.
Our team has to do the same. So, Mr Bairstow, when asked to move to #3, knuckle down and do it. Don't whine like a bitch.
So, I don't buy all this structural, big issue talk. It absolves responsibility for poor performance by players and selectors.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 8:04:41 GMT
Following the recent defeats in the first two tests, and yesterday's top order failure, I see Mark Ramprakash and Rob Key are now blaming the state of English county cricket wickets, and the current "must win quick" mentality for the lack of top quality top order batsmen. They say the way the wickets are prepared doesn't really allow batsmen to dig in and make big county scores (not sure that's entirely right) and there is pressure to hit the runs as quickly as possible thereby risking getting out to a poor shot. Key quoted an innings by Ian Botham where he faced 209 (?) deliveries for 51 runs to save a test match against Pakistan. It clearly wasn't Botham's normal style to dig in but he read the pitch conditions and picked each delivery, something the modern day crop seem incapable of doing because they're not being taught that way. They're also blaming T20 cricket for the change in batting philosophy ("try to hit a six every ball") which has made the England test team either superb to watch with "scintillating, swashbuckling innings", when things go well, or more often, pathetic losers with "spineless, gutless, frustrating, and infuriating innings" when things don't go well. The other factor they've both identified is the way the English cricket calendar is constructed with white ball cricket taking place at the "wrong time" of the season when top order batsmen should be batting in "the test type conditions more akin to Australian conditions". Instead they end up playing county cricket slotted in around the T20 and limited overs competitions which doesn't give them much opportunity to dig in, hone technique, and build big scores. They say unless the philosophy of English cricket changes completely with different wicket preparation, and different batting demands and techniques, we are more likely to continue to see the current failures continue. Not sure I agree with all of that but some of it is valid. It's not just England who are suffering like this though is it? The whole attitude of "digging in" is a thing of the past the world over. How many tests do we see going the full five days and ending in draws in this day and age? Not many I'd say. Test cricket has and is still changing, and is becoming less important to the modern cricketer with each year that passes. To a lesser extent than football, Cricket is awash with money in all the short formats of the game, so it's a fairly natural course of events that the top players are going to be honing their skills for those formats first and foremost. I agree, and I think they're scrabbling for excuses. They didn't mention test cricket is suffering globally due to limited overs and T20 (and the money involved) but their premise is that England are suffering the most due to our calendar and the way wickets are prepared and the "must win quick" mentality.
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Post by jonah8 on Feb 10, 2019 15:36:09 GMT
Went to a cricket forum when I was in Barbados featuring Jonathan Agnew and Matt Prior, one question was about the openers and why can't we produce a Ken Barrington, Geoff Boycott type of player who can dig in all day and the general consensus was that no county would pay good money on that type of player and that they needed to play the alround white ball game.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 17:46:52 GMT
Good job for Stokes and Buttler in our first innings scoring 146 out of 277, with 38 extras, yes 38 ! Everyone else totally ineffectual.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Feb 10, 2019 18:27:17 GMT
My God, we really do need to keep Mark Wood fit.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 19:05:07 GMT
Wow that was rapid from Wood 95 mph!
If only he wasn’t made of glass, a pace attack of Wood, Stone, Overton and Stokes in the near future covers all bases really.....
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 10, 2019 20:53:17 GMT
Bloody hell.
What an effort from Mark Wood - a five-for at over 90mph. Just goes to show when you get selection right.
Respect also to Super Mo and a special mention for Stuart Broad's astonishing catch.
Over to you batsmen. Show us what you can do.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Feb 10, 2019 21:01:03 GMT
We've been screaming out for 90mph bowlers for years now and we might have 2 in our team by the World Cup/Ashes with Jofre Archer becoming eligible in the coming months.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 21:31:11 GMT
Great bowling from Wood and good effort from Moeen. Broad's catch was superb.
Will Jennings get through to stumps ?
Edit: Yes he did ! 142 lead with 10 wickets remaining !
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 15:26:03 GMT
Jennings out for 23, soft dismissal, hopefully that's the end of his England career. Nasser Hussein said this morning that Jennings should be nowhere near the Ashes squad.
England now 73-2, 186 ahead.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 11, 2019 15:43:23 GMT
Real shame about Mark Wood, but for his injuries I reckon he'd have been a mainstay in the team for the last 4 years or so. When he gets it right he's absolutely superb to watch, and I can never get enough of his simple, repeatable action.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 11, 2019 15:50:14 GMT
Odd to say this. But glad Jennings went cheaply again ,if he had scored runs today he would most likely have made the Ashes squad.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Feb 11, 2019 19:50:55 GMT
Lovely delivery to tie up Buttler.
It'd be great to see Root get a century here!
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Post by GeneralFaye on Feb 11, 2019 20:43:07 GMT
Just seen this curious stat about Joe Root on the BBC cricket page..
"Joe Root's first-innings average between 2014 and 2017 was 76 and 38 in the second. It's reversed since the 2017-18 Ashes - it's now 25 and 54"
Odd, very odd.
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Post by lordb on Feb 11, 2019 20:54:15 GMT
Just seen this curious stat about Joe Root on the BBC cricket page.. "Joe Root's first-innings average between 2014 and 2017 was 76 and 38 in the second. It's reversed since the 2017-18 Ashes - it's now 25 and 54" Odd, very odd. Standard isn't it? Make best batsman captain and see run score suffer. How many times have done this?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 20:56:02 GMT
Well done Joe Root !
Wonder when we'll declare ?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Feb 11, 2019 20:57:55 GMT
Well done Joe Root ! Wonder when we'll declare ? Lunch tomorrow if we aren't bowled out.
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