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Post by werrington on Jan 17, 2019 16:20:34 GMT
Tom Ince Played for 10 clubs by the age of 26. That’s enough clubs to lose their patience with him Only they didn’t all lose their patience with him though You could use a similar analogy for Crouch if that’s the route you want to go
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 17, 2019 16:20:52 GMT
So what was Gary's dream that he heartbreakingly never got chance to paint the sky with? What would this 'complete' system have looked like? It would have had defenders daring to push further forwards for starters without the worry of being caught out by a simple ball over the top so easily, in turn the midfield could have gone further forward to support the 3 higher up and afobe wouldn't have been so isolated, neither would the wide men Really. So how was this going to be achieved then? Afobe, still not a lone striker, was still going to be the lone striker? He'd have signed a rapid centre half like James 'Usain Bolt' Chester or Curtis 'Sonic the Hedgehog' Davies would he?
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 17, 2019 16:52:55 GMT
It would have had defenders daring to push further forwards for starters without the worry of being caught out by a simple ball over the top so easily, in turn the midfield could have gone further forward to support the 3 higher up and afobe wouldn't have been so isolated, neither would the wide men Really. So how was this going to be achieved then? Afobe, still not a lone striker, was still going to be the lone striker? He'd have signed a rapid centre half like James 'Usain Bolt' Chester or Curtis 'Sonic the Hedgehog' Davies would he? They are quicker than our pair. We saw Rowett try pushing further forward as he would normally do early in the season and he had to change it. Having the turning circle of a battleship doesn't help either. His system was attacking enough for hydra to score 24 for derby last season, watch his goals, they were supported.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 17, 2019 16:56:37 GMT
Really. So how was this going to be achieved then? Afobe, still not a lone striker, was still going to be the lone striker? He'd have signed a rapid centre half like James 'Usain Bolt' Chester or Curtis 'Sonic the Hedgehog' Davies would he? They are quicker than our pair. We saw Rowett try pushing further forward as he would normally do early in the season and he had to change it. Having the turning circle of a battleship doesn't help either. His system was attacking enough for hydra to score 24 for derby last season, watch his goals, they were supported. What did he do with Vydra when it really mattered?
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Post by misii30 on Jan 17, 2019 17:05:20 GMT
Really. So how was this going to be achieved then? Afobe, still not a lone striker, was still going to be the lone striker? He'd have signed a rapid centre half like James 'Usain Bolt' Chester or Curtis 'Sonic the Hedgehog' Davies would he? They are quicker than our pair. We saw Rowett try pushing further forward as he would normally do early in the season and he had to change it. Having the turning circle of a battleship doesn't help either. His system was attacking enough for hydra to score 24 for derby last season, watch his goals, they were supported. HAIL HYDRA!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 17, 2019 17:06:38 GMT
Really. So how was this going to be achieved then? Afobe, still not a lone striker, was still going to be the lone striker? He'd have signed a rapid centre half like James 'Usain Bolt' Chester or Curtis 'Sonic the Hedgehog' Davies would he? They are quicker than our pair. We saw Rowett try pushing further forward as he would normally do early in the season and he had to change it. Having the turning circle of a battleship doesn't help either. His system was attacking enough for hydra to score 24 for derby last season, watch his goals, they were supported. Whether they are or not ( I sincerely doubt 33-year old Davies is), it still doesn't suggest he wanted a mobile centre half does it? And he outright dismissed the idea of playing a number 10 from his very first interview after he'd been appointed and stuck with his 4-3-3 from the very first game of pre-season. And dropped Vydra for the play-off games at Derby prior to that. So 'pushing forward as he would normally do' is a big shout, he's a defensive manager.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 17, 2019 17:09:56 GMT
They are quicker than our pair. We saw Rowett try pushing further forward as he would normally do early in the season and he had to change it. Having the turning circle of a battleship doesn't help either. His system was attacking enough for hydra to score 24 for derby last season, watch his goals, they were supported. What did he do with Vydra when it really mattered? 😁 What's that got to do with the price of butter?
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 17, 2019 17:21:35 GMT
I don't, I think he brought him to play in a system that he never had chance to use to its full effect because half the squad is still rubbish It doesn't help that, whatever system you play him in, he just isn't up to scratch - even as a 'Championship' footballer.
And that's not even taking his considerable baggage into account either.
WBA must still be laughing their cocks off.
And doing so having only just dried out their under garments after having sold us Berahino for twice as much.
Fair do's, I get that SB was probably a calculated gamble & / or us not being able to help ourselves when a (supposed) 'bargain' pops up (see also: Clucas) but am still amazed no one at the club pushed back on Rowett & told him to get a grip when he wanted JMcC.
Woeful signings both. And we're stuck with them unless we give them away.Maybe so, but GR didn't sign Berahino. McLean is a decent squad player, at the end of the day Rowett didn't buy him for Jones' system he brought him for his, as he did ince.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 17, 2019 17:26:01 GMT
It doesn't help that, whatever system you play him in, he just isn't up to scratch - even as a 'Championship' footballer.
And that's not even taking his considerable baggage into account either.
WBA must still be laughing their cocks off.
And doing so having only just dried out their under garments after having sold us Berahino for twice as much.
Fair do's, I get that SB was probably a calculated gamble & / or us not being able to help ourselves when a (supposed) 'bargain' pops up (see also: Clucas) but am still amazed no one at the club pushed back on Rowett & told him to get a grip when he wanted JMcC.
Woeful signings both. And we're stuck with them unless we give them away. Maybe so, but GR didn't sign Berahino. McLean is a decent squad player, at the end of the day Rowett didn't buy him for Jones' system he brought him for his, as he did ince. McClean didn't fit his system.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 17:29:07 GMT
I wouldn't have signed either of em. One's useless, and the other is to weak! Going backwards signing them IMHO!
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Post by mattyd on Jan 17, 2019 17:30:23 GMT
McClean...
Wank Player. Wank Person. Wank Team member.
I often wonder if he upsets the balance in the dressing room as well as on the pitch, I bet the likes of Crouchy, Butland, and other long termers despise the rancid little cunt.
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Post by questionable on Jan 17, 2019 17:37:46 GMT
I wouldn't have signed either of em. One's useless, and the other is to weak! Going backwards signing them IMHO! I’d be OK if they actually went backwards to help out with any commitment
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 17, 2019 18:01:38 GMT
Maybe so, but GR didn't sign Berahino. McLean is a decent squad player, at the end of the day Rowett didn't buy him for Jones' system he brought him for his, as he did ince. McClean didn't fit his system. How can you say that when it wasn't used in it's full effect?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 17, 2019 18:10:19 GMT
McClean didn't fit his system. How can you say that when it wasn't used in it's full effect? Because he's a chalk on the boots, kick it and run winger suited to a 4-4-2 or variant of that. You don't have those in a 4-3-3 where your wide men are essentially winger/striker hybrids expected to cut inside more and get into scoring positions.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 17, 2019 18:13:48 GMT
How can you say that when it wasn't used in it's full effect? Because he's a chalk on the boots, kick it and run winger suited to a 4-4-2 or variant of that. You don't have those in a 4-3-3 where your wide men are essentially winger/striker hybrids expected to cut inside more and get into scoring positions. I've seen McLean run into the box with the ball in a stoke shirt, I've seen him do diagonal straight in the box
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 17, 2019 18:15:19 GMT
One thing is for certain, he doesn't fit in NJ's plans so hopefully Burnley interest is legit
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 17, 2019 18:21:36 GMT
Because he's a chalk on the boots, kick it and run winger suited to a 4-4-2 or variant of that. You don't have those in a 4-3-3 where your wide men are essentially winger/striker hybrids expected to cut inside more and get into scoring positions. I've seen McLean run into the box with the ball in a stoke shirt, I've seen him do diagonal straight in the box Wow, thanks for that Marcelo Bielsa, I stand corrected.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 17, 2019 18:24:47 GMT
I've seen McLean run into the box with the ball in a stoke shirt, I've seen him do diagonal straight in the box Wow, thanks for that Marcelo Bielsa, I stand corrected. Well he has though? Just because they were his duties at other clubs it doesn't mean he can't cut inside does it? Tbh I wouldn't mind seeing how he does in DM in NJ's system.. let's face it we have nothing to lose by trying it
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 17, 2019 18:26:08 GMT
Wow, thanks for that Marcelo Bielsa, I stand corrected. Well he has though? Just because they were his duties at other clubs it doesn't mean he can't cut inside does it? Tbh I wouldn't mind seeing how he does in DM in NJ's system.. let's face it we have nothing to lose by trying it Other than more games of football...
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 17, 2019 18:26:18 GMT
Wow, thanks for that Marcelo Bielsa, I stand corrected. Well he has though? Just because they were his duties at other clubs it doesn't mean he can't cut inside does it? Tbh I wouldn't mind seeing how he does in DM in NJ's system.. let's face it we have nothing to lose by trying it There’s a bit more to the role than ‘running diagonally into the box’. Radical concept: why not sign players who actually do fit the system you want to play and are familiar with it?
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 17, 2019 18:29:38 GMT
Well he has though? Just because they were his duties at other clubs it doesn't mean he can't cut inside does it? Tbh I wouldn't mind seeing how he does in DM in NJ's system.. let's face it we have nothing to lose by trying it There’s a bit more to the role than ‘running diagonally into the box’. Radical concept: why not sign players who actually do fit the system you want to play and are familiar with it? Now that's a great idea I think you should suggest it to our chief exec
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 17, 2019 19:40:41 GMT
There’s a bit more to the role than ‘running diagonally into the box’. Radical concept: why not sign players who actually do fit the system you want to play and are familiar with it? Now that's a great idea I think you should suggest it to our chief exec It wasn't the Chief Exec who made Afobe and McClean his top targets.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 17, 2019 19:44:53 GMT
Now that's a great idea I think you should suggest it to our chief exec It wasn't the Chief Exec who made Afobe and McClean his top targets. No but he signed/resigned Bauer, etebo and Allen without a manager even in place.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 19:48:16 GMT
It wasn't the Chief Exec who made Afobe and McClean his top targets. No but he signed/resigned Bauer, etebo and Allen without a manager even in place. [br Most people were really happy with all of these and I imagine it was a show of we’re holding on to people. Allen needs to work out what he’s playing at but all of these could come good. Which cannot be said of all of Rowett’s signings.
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Post by realstokebloke on Jan 17, 2019 19:48:16 GMT
It doesn't help that, whatever system you play him in, he just isn't up to scratch - even as a 'Championship' footballer.
And that's not even taking his considerable baggage into account either.
WBA must still be laughing their cocks off.
And doing so having only just dried out their under garments after having sold us Berahino for twice as much.
Fair do's, I get that SB was probably a calculated gamble & / or us not being able to help ourselves when a (supposed) 'bargain' pops up (see also: Clucas) but am still amazed no one at the club pushed back on Rowett & told him to get a grip when he wanted JMcC.
Woeful signings both. And we're stuck with them unless we give them away. Maybe so, but GR didn't sign Berahino. McLean is a decent squad player, at the end of the day Rowett didn't buy him for Jones' system he brought him for his, as he did ince. Systems and who bought them aside, my point is that they are both chuffin' useless (albeit one worse than the other) and we need far better, irrespective of who the gaffer is and how he wants to play going forward.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 17, 2019 19:55:54 GMT
It wasn't the Chief Exec who made Afobe and McClean his top targets. No but he signed/resigned Bauer, etebo and Allen without a manager even in place. I think you'd struggle to find a manager in the league who wouldn't have been happy to have Allen at his disposal, for all his faults, ditto Etebo after the world cup he had, but I can see where you're coming from. Shame his new manager went and cocked things up further, when he supposedly knew how he wanted to play.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 17, 2019 20:02:23 GMT
No but he signed/resigned Bauer, etebo and Allen without a manager even in place. I think you'd struggle to find a manager in the league who wouldn't have been happy to have Allen at his disposal, for all his faults, ditto Etebo after the world cup he had, but I can see where you're coming from. Shame his new manager went and cocked things up further, when he supposedly knew how he wanted to play. He couldn't do it how he intended though could he because as we said earlier he had to change it early on in the season to protect the defence. For me, he'd have sorted the issues between January and the end of summer but now we're back to square 1. Even if he did make a bad signing it doesn't make him a bad manager, every manager has made a bad signing.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 17, 2019 20:04:32 GMT
It's a sad state of affairs when you are getting sacked after 1 window.... more so when you bring in a manager who doesn't look like he will do better with the same tools
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 20:09:26 GMT
Tools being the operative word.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 20:11:58 GMT
Mclean still here?
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