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Post by jackgoodwin01 on Jan 10, 2019 14:37:10 GMT
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Post by bringmesunshine on Jan 10, 2019 14:40:16 GMT
Yes, better someone young, up and coming and who's hungry for success than the usual old suspects, give him time and he will build.
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Post by westgatelakes on Jan 10, 2019 14:48:29 GMT
without a doubt
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Post by metalhead on Jan 10, 2019 14:52:25 GMT
I can see his reasoning, but at the same time, we've got a strange gap at the moment where young managers appear to be all-too-often overlooked. I am happy for a change of pace. The 'better' (in the authors mind) or more experienced choices are relative dinosaurs now. Moyes 55, Big Sam 64, Pardew 57, even Chris Coleman is coming up to 50. Young managers have struggled to get a look in, but you can't keep relying on the old boys to bail you out. Let's back Nathan Jones. |
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Post by redrob on Jan 10, 2019 14:56:17 GMT
No point asking the question he’s our man now and it’s time to back him. Have to say I’m really encouraged by the positive tone on here I’m not expecting miracles but hope for some solid progress and signs that the ship has turned and we are now heading in the right direction
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 15:06:53 GMT
I seriously doubt that Jones is fully aware of how underperforming the squad really is and have been for more than one half season. It wasn't Rowett that made them poor players nor was it entirely Hughes fault. The fault lies with the players who came to believe they were really Premier League superstars and didn't have to work hard in training to continue to evolve. They have all regressed for one reason or another, even the supposedly best and/or most important such as Butland, Shawcross, Bojan, Allen et al. The subsequent serious lack of confidence obviously doesn't help.
There is much work to do. It confuses me that Rowett leaves with about a dozen staff and Hughes also left with a sizeable number, but Jones comes in with two men and Delap, Russell (unless he returns to the academy), and Quy are de facto promoted. I hope he will hire a great many other staff, because they will all be needed, unless we want Jones to burn out quickly by having too much to do.
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Post by SCFC92 on Jan 10, 2019 15:11:03 GMT
Yes
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 15:14:15 GMT
I have no idea. Plenty of promise there and what he's done in the game so far is very admirable. Whether that transfers into success for us, who knows! Looking forward to finding out though  |
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jan 10, 2019 15:15:37 GMT
Seems like it, but honestly who knows he could be dreadful. I thought Rowett would be good. Plus when managers are first appointed there’s always optimism
Only time will tell my friend!
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Post by potterfox1011 on Jan 10, 2019 15:25:37 GMT
Seems like it, but honestly who knows he could be dreadful. I thought Rowett would be good. Plus when managers are first appointed there’s always optimism Only time will tell my friend! |
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Post by jarvinski on Jan 10, 2019 15:28:38 GMT
Only time will tell, but i’ve got a good feeling about him, ax long ax he’s strong enough to put Laurel and Hardy in their place
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Post by maliciousdamage on Jan 10, 2019 15:33:47 GMT
I think it depends on how quickly the chuckle brothers can offload the deadwood and get him his own men into the squad. The more I read the more exciting he sounds but then I think is it the same as Warhurst going from Shrewsbury to Ipswich, hopefully we aren’t Ipswich like and he gets what he needs to do the job he believes he can do as without backing from upstairs it’s unfair to expect him to perform miracles, no matter how religious he is!
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Post by sheds1862 on Jan 10, 2019 15:34:46 GMT
Echo what others have said, time will tell.
Majority of managers use all the jargon and positivity to Garner support.
He is no different to say Rowett, Quiterall or Hughes in that respect.
Say the right things and start with a clean slate.
I don't envisage people getting on his back at all but please if Bojan or Bauer are not selected then give the bloke leeway because maybe if he is manager number 3 or 4 who doesn't pick them it tells it's own story
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Post by adamsson on Jan 10, 2019 15:35:54 GMT
Hope so but then I thought Rowett would be a good appointment until I watch the first few matches.
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Post by potterfox1011 on Jan 10, 2019 15:45:04 GMT
I can see his reasoning, but at the same time, we've got a strange gap at the moment where young managers appear to be all-too-often overlooked. I am happy for a change of pace. The 'better' (in the authors mind) or more experienced choices are relative dinosaurs now. Moyes 55, Big Sam 64, Pardew 57, even Chris Coleman is coming up to 50. Young managers have struggled to get a look in, but you can't keep relying on the old boys to bail you out. Let's back Nathan Jones. |
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Post by potterfox1011 on Jan 10, 2019 15:55:08 GMT
why would we really want sam pardew or coleman.sacked everywhere theyve gone and won nothing.this guy has done nothing wrong since he became a manager apparently plays attacking football and shrewd in the transfer market.every one should be excited to get someone with new ideas
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Post by retired1 on Jan 10, 2019 16:00:44 GMT
see what his reaction is to the players plodding in the next game stuck in their recent modes of play too scared to make mistakes cos some of our fans boo them at the slightest error.
If they don't respond then its a bigger task than he would have thought.
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Post by jarhead on Jan 10, 2019 16:09:53 GMT
I hope so BUT we got to give him time to build and sort this group out.
The signs are Very positive.
Come on Nath do us proud.
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Post by shawi on Jan 10, 2019 16:15:58 GMT
Wasn't chuffed when Sparky or GR were appointed - I'm more upbeat about Rhonnda Cynon Taff Jones - he appears to have excellent man management & motivational skills & gives honest feedback to all. It'll take time & don't think we will make the play offs this season, but I'm positive the fella will sort it.
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Post by stroller on Jan 10, 2019 16:20:46 GMT
Do we have the right manager?
God only Knows.
............... in Nathans case he probably does.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 10, 2019 16:22:02 GMT
Time will tell; I for one am very uplifted by his appointment.
The only mark against him is lack of experience, but as I posted when he was appointed (see extract below), everyone has no experience of the next job up the ladder.
Earlier post:
People should remember that we all start out in life with no experience and so did .... the great British football managers such as:
Dave Bowen - took over Northampton Town in the 4th tier of English football in 1959 and took them to the top division in 5 seasons.
Alf Ramsay - coached in Southern Rhodesia and then took control at Ipswich in the 3rd Division and took them to be Champions of England.
Brian Clough - coached Sunderland Youth then took over Hartlepool at the bottom of the old 4th division and with absolutely no resources (Clough drove the club coach) took them to 8th place. Appointed as manager of Derby at the bottom of the old second division and took them all the way to being Champions.
Alex Ferguson - appointed player manager at East Stirlingshire in 1974 - sacked; then manager of St Mirren low down in the Scottish 2nd Division in 1975 and made them Champions of Scotland in 1977 with a team of average age 19.
I am not equating Nathan Jones with the above, 3 of whom went on to much greater achievements; I am simply pointing out that many of the great achievers start out in lowly places and worked their way up. There are other great British managers but they generally started managing higher up the ladder.
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Post by scottthehatter on Jan 10, 2019 21:13:53 GMT
As a Luton fan I'm obviously very disappointed to see NJ go, particularly at this stage of the season where we have some huge games ahead and he is one of the main reasons we find ourselves in this position.
What you have in NJ is a pretty raw manager in terms of experience but one who ultimately knows how he can get his teams to play in a system he favours. Apologies for not being familiar with your current squad so I can't comment whether they'll be able to adjust to his style. He plays a very attacking style all with a midfield diamond. The full backs will be expected to contribute equally to attacking and defensive duties. From what I've witnessed the key position in his formation is a quality holding midfielder. Glen Rea for us is outstanding in that role but is out long term so we've now got George Thorne in to slot into that position. Most of the time the ball is on the deck and very pleasing on the eye.
It hasn't all been plain sailing for NJ at Luton though. At the start the jury was very much out but he did a brilliant job of getting the fans inside, badge kissing etc etc and securing himself the time he needed. The question for all you Stoke fans is... will you be prepared to give him time to sort things out? Also will your board? If your patient I have no doubt that he will transform your club completely and get you back in the Premier League with style too.
I do wish him and Stoke City well in the future and shall be keeping a close eye on your results.
Note if caution though.... don't be fooled by the kiss the badge, love the club, love the fans BS that will no doubt come out of his mouth sooner rather than later. We were all taken in by it and it hurts that we've been let down so badly and I have no doubt that in the future when a 'bigger' club wants him he'll be off in a flash with no regard for you guys!
All the best and good luck!
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Jan 10, 2019 21:18:07 GMT
My gut feeling is he'll be a younger Boskamp, seems as mad as a hatter.(No pun intended).
Think some weeks we'll win 4-0 next week we'll lose 4-0.
But looking forward to the ride.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 21:19:32 GMT
Lord willing we do.
His interview reminds me of TP, a real hard worker who gives it his absolute everything.
It sounds like his style of football is going to be far more attacking with a lot expected of the full backs, if he continues to show the kind of passion I’ve seen from his interviews so far I see no reason why he won’t get everyone (players, fans and the board) on his side.
I’m really excited to have Nathan Jones at Stoke, I admit before the start of the week I’d never heard of him - but having read about him and watched a few interviews I’m buzzing about the future again.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 10, 2019 21:22:30 GMT
Yes I do.
It may well be a bumpy ride at first but I think if we stick with him it will come good.A better feeling than getting the usual merry go round manager. Let's all just give it a go.
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 10, 2019 21:26:08 GMT
My gut feeling is he'll be a younger Boskamp, seems as mad as a hatter.(No pun intended). Think some weeks we'll win 4-0 next week we'll lose 4-0. But looking forward to the ride. I don’t think we’ll lose many 4-0 tbf, he’s got the best defensive record in league 1 currently |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 10, 2019 21:27:06 GMT
He sounds the part I'll give him that, no doubt he's a top lower league manager but it's wether he can take that higher...he's not your average lower league lumper for sure is he and his teams know where the net is.
Seems intelligent with a personality the players will work for
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 21:31:58 GMT
Impossible to say really.
Personally, I'm glad we've gone for a left field appointment rather than for the tried and trusted merry go round managers like David Moyes.
There are risks with every manager and no matter who you have (in the pond we fish in) there are never any guarantees, but having looked at his record with Luton and seen a couple of interviews he's done I like the cut of his gib.
What he does need is time.
In my head, even though it is still a big possibility, I'm going to write promotion off this season because listening to him talk he wants to change the whole culture of the football club from top to bottom, starting with instilling his philosophy on the game, and this could take some time and we might not see an immediate impact for a few different reasons.
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Post by callas12 on Jan 10, 2019 21:35:16 GMT
As a Luton fan I'm obviously very disappointed to see NJ go, particularly at this stage of the season where we have some huge games ahead and he is one of the main reasons we find ourselves in this position. What you have in NJ is a pretty raw manager in terms of experience but one who ultimately knows how he can get his teams to play in a system he favours. Apologies for not being familiar with your current squad so I can't comment whether they'll be able to adjust to his style. He plays a very attacking style all with a midfield diamond. The full backs will be expected to contribute equally to attacking and defensive duties. From what I've witnessed the key position in his formation is a quality holding midfielder. Glen Rea for us is outstanding in that role but is out long term so we've now got George Thorne in to slot into that position. Most of the time the ball is on the deck and very pleasing on the eye. It hasn't all been plain sailing for NJ at Luton though. At the start the jury was very much out but he did a brilliant job of getting the fans inside, badge kissing etc etc and securing himself the time he needed. The question for all you Stoke fans is... will you be prepared to give him time to sort things out? Also will your board? If your patient I have no doubt that he will transform your club completely and get you back in the Premier League with style too. I do wish him and Stoke City well in the future and shall be keeping a close eye on your results. Note if caution though.... don't be fooled by the kiss the badge, love the club, love the fans BS that will no doubt come out of his mouth sooner rather than later. We were all taken in by it and it hurts that we've been let down so badly and I have no doubt that in the future when a 'bigger' club wants him he'll be off in a flash with no regard for you guys! All the best and good luck! Great balanced assessment there & I for one am just hoping he gets the time and backing to develop this project into something good, cheers Scott. |
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 10, 2019 21:43:53 GMT
As a Luton fan I'm obviously very disappointed to see NJ go, particularly at this stage of the season where we have some huge games ahead and he is one of the main reasons we find ourselves in this position. What you have in NJ is a pretty raw manager in terms of experience but one who ultimately knows how he can get his teams to play in a system he favours. Apologies for not being familiar with your current squad so I can't comment whether they'll be able to adjust to his style. He plays a very attacking style all with a midfield diamond. The full backs will be expected to contribute equally to attacking and defensive duties. From what I've witnessed the key position in his formation is a quality holding midfielder. Glen Rea for us is outstanding in that role but is out long term so we've now got George Thorne in to slot into that position. Most of the time the ball is on the deck and very pleasing on the eye. It hasn't all been plain sailing for NJ at Luton though. At the start the jury was very much out but he did a brilliant job of getting the fans inside, badge kissing etc etc and securing himself the time he needed. The question for all you Stoke fans is... will you be prepared to give him time to sort things out? Also will your board? If your patient I have no doubt that he will transform your club completely and get you back in the Premier League with style too. I do wish him and Stoke City well in the future and shall be keeping a close eye on your results. Note if caution though.... don't be fooled by the kiss the badge, love the club, love the fans BS that will no doubt come out of his mouth sooner rather than later. We were all taken in by it and it hurts that we've been let down so badly and I have no doubt that in the future when a 'bigger' club wants him he'll be off in a flash with no regard for you guys! All the best and good luck! Great post scott, thanks for the in-site. Hope you find a manager who will be equally as successful for you (until you play us again that is) and I hope you find him quickly with minimum disruption. Good luck for the rest of the season. |
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