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Post by realstokebloke on Jan 6, 2019 18:53:10 GMT
Rowett has played his part thus far in the failure of course but, no - to my mind at least, he doesn't deserve the barrell-scrapping abuse that some 'fans' deem fit for purpose.
(To me, his 'quality' for want of a better word, was pretty clear with the championing and signing of McClean - and it's largely gone down hill from there.)
But let's get this right; it really has been a total shit-show, top to bottom for a long time now.
Swiss Ramble's financial analysis of just how much we have spent on players in the PL era (which is staggering) vs. our relative return against that outlay, can only tell you how deep seated the problems must be.
And that they must go way deeper than just the current incumbant of the dugout.
And so whoever the next one is, he'd do very well to undertake his due diligence and see just exactly what he'd be letting himself in for.
So therein, mozzer has a hugley important point that nobody, especially on the top floor, should be allowed to forget or gloss over once again.
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Post by Fred Merger on Jan 6, 2019 19:07:54 GMT
Personally I dont hate the guy,but it will be seen as an example for manager's in the future of how not to conduct yourself in any relationship with supporters.In fact if he's honest he couldn't have handled it worse if he'd tried.I do believe the Chester situation didn't help matters in summer as I believe they thought that they had got him then had the rug pulled from under them at the last minute. Then had to rush through a loan deal for Williams who was poor at first but settled down to being probably our best defender. A Shawcross replacement and a decent RB could ultimately change our season but he's lost the fans with some extremely questionable personal quotes about certain individuals when his own signings have been on the whole very disappointing.
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Post by Gifton on Jan 6, 2019 20:06:19 GMT
You simply cannot underestimate how much he has brought it on himself though. To have such thinly veiled pops at supporters from such a position of weakness is pretty dim-witted. I'd like to think he'd learn from it in his next job but he's such a deluded arrogant fuck, I somehow doubt it. He still doesn’t deserve the pure hatred and venom that’s being posted on here though mate and now we’ve got absolute retards singing hes a paedophile whilst pissing themselves laughing at Shrewsbury yesterday, and that from grown adults Not just that we’ve also got threads started and people thinking it’s funny to continually post “ fink “ in order to mock his speech impediment Perhaps it’s just me Th-fronting is categorically not a speech impediment mate! The paedophile stuff is ridiculously immature however...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 20:15:29 GMT
Nothing to do with you really, Spencer, but the "I don't know what all the fuss is about" statement has simply been blown way out of proportion. It was just a remark Coates made, to maybe ease the burden of pressure for his then manager. Since then everybody and his dog have quoted him on it, taking him unnecessarily seriously, and I'm sure he has regretted making it a thousand times. It has as a result meant that he is now almost no longer available for press comments - he hasn't even given Rowett a dreaded vote of confidence. This also means that we have no statements to guage whether or not the board is prepared to give Rowett an undeserved second chance, yesterday's game suggests that they are, although Rowett's own body language suggests he's already in another place. I agree that his anti-social behaviour towards the fans makes his position untenable. I don't think the comment has been blown out of proportion at all. People were (rightly) incredulous at such a remark, the moment it was made. It belittled the opinion of the fans and he was ultimately proven (very quickly) to have been wrong. I'm sure you're right and he does indeed regret making it. I think Rowett not getting a vote of confidence has nothing to do with the original remark however. I'm pretty certain the reason he isn't getting a vote of confidence from the Chairman now, is because the Chairman doesn't actually want to give him one. Not now for sure but in November when all those non-scoring games and last minute losses started getting too many, he might have. Because all a vote of confidence means in football is you're out of here, unless you win the next ten games in succession. Rowett achieving that was always not going to happen, so Coates could have used some time to line up the replacement. But he did nothing, so I suppose you're right that whether or not he thought his 2017 statement through or not it did symbolise his laissez faire course.
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 6, 2019 20:21:50 GMT
I don't hate anyone but some people are unlikeable. Rowett is probably the most unlikeable character we've had at the club in a good few years, that takes a special kind of unlikability.
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Post by OldStokie on Jan 6, 2019 21:01:38 GMT
Rowett is getting it in the neck big style not only for the football he's serving up now but because he's become the new whipping boy for a number of years of the club failing badly in many areas. Although I don't think he's up to the job here and I also want him out, anyone with a grain of compassion in them should feel sorry for the bloke. He thought he could do a job here... it turns out that the job is too big for him. He's brought in players he thought would improve us... most have been a failure in that regard.
There are some things he's brought on himself such as alienating Bojan and Bauer and his insistance of playing failing tactics, and not forgetting bringing in McClean who I wouldn't have touched with a bargepole because of his controversial past. Add these things up and it's understandable that some supporters don't like him, but none of that stuff negates common decency. Fans make fun of his colloquial speech, but no doubt they also have problems with their own dialect. Double standards and hypocrisy.
He's better off gone for his sake and ours. I haven't known this level of vitriol since Alan Ball was here. I could go on but I have a life to live and what's going on at Stoke is a big negative for me.
OS.
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Post by madnellie on Jan 6, 2019 21:14:32 GMT
I know I've said a few choice words about Rowett. I was ok with him until he made those comments about Bojan. Not because I love Bojan as a player (although I do), but because he's a lad who has spoken openly and bravely about his problems with mental health and how it's hampered his career so far. So what does Rowett see fit to do? Make disparaging comments about him in public for absolutely no reason other than to try to cover for his own inadequacies as a manager. And we know that affected Bojan on some level because he responded to it on social media.
Do I think Rowett is a twat? I don't know, I've never met him. Do I think he behaved like a twat on this occasion? Absolutely.
And believe me when I say I would have no problem telling him that to his face and explaining to him exactly why.
Those paedophile chants are absolutely disgusting though.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 6, 2019 22:34:49 GMT
Here's my advice to Gaz
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Post by magwitch on Jan 6, 2019 23:39:03 GMT
I thought this on NYD, I've barely seen hated opposition take abuse like that. The man that essentially got us relegated never got anywhere near as much abuse either. Rowett is to blame for the turgid football, but so are the players themselves. And the board of directors He has accidentily stepped into a very hot seat due largely to the club's dismal performance over the last 2 years. Mark Hughes has paid his price, but has been well rewarded for failure. The others who are also responsible have carried on as if it is nothing to do with them. Gary Rowett is taking the brunt of the fan's unhappiness yet is doing his best to put right an aweful mess.
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Post by RAF on Jan 7, 2019 6:50:52 GMT
And the board of directors He has accidentily stepped into a very hot seat due largely to the club's dismal performance over the last 2 years. Mark Hughes has paid his price, but has been well rewarded for failure. The others who are also responsible have carried on as if it is nothing to do with them. Gary Rowett is taking the brunt of the fan's unhappiness yet is doing his best to put right an aweful mess. He's doing his best to alienate himself from the fanbase with his arrogant piss taking. If he really is doing his best to do what you say, then his best is nowhere near good enough. A bit of humility from him a la Graham Potter wouldn't have gone a miss! H
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 7, 2019 7:01:35 GMT
And the board of directors He has accidentily stepped into a very hot seat due largely to the club's dismal performance over the last 2 years. Mark Hughes has paid his price, but has been well rewarded for failure. The others who are also responsible have carried on as if it is nothing to do with them. Gary Rowett is taking the brunt of the fan's unhappiness yet is doing his best to put right an aweful mess. Rewarded for failure? He was sacked.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jan 7, 2019 7:04:08 GMT
And the board of directors He has accidentily stepped into a very hot seat due largely to the club's dismal performance over the last 2 years. Mark Hughes has paid his price, but has been well rewarded for failure. The others who are also responsible have carried on as if it is nothing to do with them. Gary Rowett is taking the brunt of the fan's unhappiness yet is doing his best to put right an aweful mess. He's said again about the mess the club is in after relegation and how he left a very good job at Derby to come here. We should be so grateful for his sacrifices...
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Post by jontimmis on Jan 7, 2019 8:01:45 GMT
This whole situation has to be up there post Brian little to gudjon era. It feels such a mess from top to bottom. What happened? Coates sold up to the Icelandic’s and we had some success and failures albeit in the lower divisions. Were we happier!? Maybe...
It’s gone toxic, a good majority of fans feel frustrated with the club, it’s not like we have a Devine right to be in the premier league or top of the championship and I agree with Rowett in that regard, but you can’t come out and give it large both at the top of the club, Scholes, Coates saying we’ve learnt our lessons, our aim is to get promoted and then a month later after the results were a shit show, say we need to make the play offs! No comment from the senior stakeholders since that statement in September.
I suppose what else can they say? It’s not panning out is it, we’ve employed 3 people in a year and we will possibly paid up their contracts cos they’ve not quite cut it. The wage bill will I am sure be the boards biggest concern, can’t keep to pay players who a) don’t get picked, b) long contracts at high wages, the club in my opinion has two years to get up, and if the club would have said that in the summer, we’re reasonable folk right!!??
I think I could have accepted that, build this year and establish a style and build in 3 windows for the big push.
I’m not seeing it, and I’m not feeling it which is why when business talk about exceptional leaders, stoke city isn’t graced with them. They don’t have the qualities and that’s what so disappointing at all aspects of our football club at present.
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Jan 7, 2019 8:09:38 GMT
I'd feel sorry for Rowett if he didn't keep making sarcastic remarks to the fans. He's making it very easy to dislike him. First the Bojan comments and then the two strikers up front comment with a smug smirk on his face. If he had any sense about him, he'd realise that trying to wind up his own fans isn't the best way to save his job. I don't blame him for being crap because he's hired to do his job and I genuinely believe he's doing what he thinks is best for the club and team to win games. I might not agree with him but I don't for one second think he's not doing his best. That being said... I just hate him because he's a smug p***k.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2019 8:17:02 GMT
From day one he as shown himself to be self centred and distant from the fans. When he walked out at Wolves for our or season at home and failed to engage with all the fans and as carried on that trend. He is a man for himself.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 7, 2019 8:39:27 GMT
He has accidentily stepped into a very hot seat due largely to the club's dismal performance over the last 2 years. Mark Hughes has paid his price, but has been well rewarded for failure. The others who are also responsible have carried on as if it is nothing to do with them. Gary Rowett is taking the brunt of the fan's unhappiness yet is doing his best to put right an aweful mess. Rewarded for failure? He was sacked. Most managers' contracts mean that they get at least a year's salary (sometimes more) when they are sacked. Hopefully there will have been a reduction in compensation in respect of him getting a new job within weeks of leaving us - but that is by no means certain, given our history of over generous contracts. EDIT: Let's be honest Rowett would probably have walked by now if that would not have left him without any compensation for being sacked!
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Post by magwitch on Jan 7, 2019 8:58:47 GMT
He has accidentily stepped into a very hot seat due largely to the club's dismal performance over the last 2 years. Mark Hughes has paid his price, but has been well rewarded for failure. The others who are also responsible have carried on as if it is nothing to do with them. Gary Rowett is taking the brunt of the fan's unhappiness yet is doing his best to put right an aweful mess. Rewarded for failure? He was sacked. I THINK hUGHES WAS REWARDED TO THE BALANCE OF HIS CONTRACT, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS AT LEAST £2 MILLION. ROWETT WILL RECEIVE A SIMILAR SETTLEMET BASED ON THE BALACE OF HIS CONTRACT. BEING SACKED IS GOOD NEWS!
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 7, 2019 9:08:41 GMT
Rewarded for failure? He was sacked. I THINK hUGHES WAS REWARDED TO THE BALANCE OF HIS CONTRACT, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS AT LEAST £2 MILLION. ROWETT WILL RECEIVE A SIMILAR SETTLEMET BASED ON THE BALACE OF HIS CONTRACT. BEING SACKED IS GOOD NEWS! He would have been paid by Stoke for the duration he was out of work. Do you really think these managers go around hoovering up money by being sacked then paid again and again when they take a new job?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2019 9:35:49 GMT
I don't think many folk got carried away with the hype that we were promotion favourites, and not too many are surprised that we're not up there with Leeds and Norwich. The issue that has got a lot of people's backs up is the way we're going about it.
He's just not a personable fella. A big part of being a manager is your public persona and your connection with the fans. For some reason, he's just never had it.
By no stretch of the imagination do I expect us to just steamroll games - but you can count the number of games we've genuinely controlled on one hand. The performances, generally, are dull and uninspiring. We're not the only team that faces defensive set-ups. When we've had backs to the wall, snatch and grabs, we've been under immense pressure and had to rely on a number of top saves and bad misses. When we're pushing, we just cant seem to even create the chances.
Then we have his utter belligerence. If he doesn't rate Bojan and Bauer - fine, deal with it. We've had similar issues before. But when we're screaming out for creativity and something a bit extra, bringing on Crouch for Afobe isn't really the way to do it. To then publicly humiliate Bojan, drag Delap in to it and belittle the away support is just about the worst way you can do something as a manager. The way that he banishes some players for a couple of poor performances to be never heard from again whilst persisting with other constant poor performances is entirely inconsistent too and does not validate that way he treats some players.
In our unbeaten run, we had a couple of very good performances, but otherwise entirely lacklustre. The four Christmas and New Year games had to bring a good points tally. Four points was a disaster - and again, the way we did it was just unacceptable. A very poor performance against Millwall got the points but was a disheartening victory. A disastrous performance against Birmingham, we then couldnt have asked for a much better game at Bolton afterwards to put it right. We didn't. We didn't even come close to showing that we weren't going to accept that level of performance.
To also criticise the fans for booing the players instead of him - when they WERE doing so - just shows his complete delusion.
So, overall, I dont think we're far off what a lot of people really expected - but the way we have gone about getting here has been shambolic, especially in the last few weeks where he has come out attacking everyone but himself.
I was happy with the appointment, I thought it was going to be great to get some fight and spirit back under a manager who has been given the opportunity to prove himself. But there's a way to go about doing things and when the number one link between club and supporters decides to just look after himself and criticise the supporters, then you destroy such a key aspect in being able to move forward.
Ultimately, he has decided to declare war on the supporters over the last few weeks in response to the pressure. That is why he is getting the hatred in return (above and beyond those at the extreme who have done so from day one).
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Post by pez75 on Jan 7, 2019 9:42:57 GMT
I think its best for all concerned if he just fucks off asap.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 7, 2019 10:06:34 GMT
His face has not fit really since they revealed him next to the fucking bins.
I think it's largely his fault but he's been receiving dogs abuse since the first home game. But for his future prospects (which look a hell of a lot bleaker than they did just 12 months ago) he really needs to learn to hold his tongue and not bring supporters into it, or certainly not pour petrol on the bonfire by just making snide remarks regarding the fans.
From our side though, if we bring a new man in we have to demonstrate more patience than we have with Rowett. The club is in a dire state and whoever comes in will be working within the very well established constraints of poor recruitment and a seemingly apathetic board.
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Post by pez75 on Jan 7, 2019 11:03:45 GMT
His face has not fit really since they revealed him next to the fucking bins. I think it's largely his fault but he's been receiving dogs abuse since the first home game. But for his future prospects (which look a hell of a lot bleaker than they did just 12 months ago) he really needs to learn to hold his tongue and not bring supporters into it, or certainly not pour petrol on the bonfire by just making snide remarks regarding the fans. From our side though, if we bring a new man in we have to demonstrate more patience than we have with Rowett. The club is in a dire state and whoever comes in will be working within the very well established constraints of poor recruitment and a seemingly apathetic board. The majority of fans are not stupid, any manager will get the patience his efforts deserve.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 7, 2019 11:06:18 GMT
His face has not fit really since they revealed him next to the fucking bins. I think it's largely his fault but he's been receiving dogs abuse since the first home game. But for his future prospects (which look a hell of a lot bleaker than they did just 12 months ago) he really needs to learn to hold his tongue and not bring supporters into it, or certainly not pour petrol on the bonfire by just making snide remarks regarding the fans. From our side though, if we bring a new man in we have to demonstrate more patience than we have with Rowett. The club is in a dire state and whoever comes in will be working within the very well established constraints of poor recruitment and a seemingly apathetic board. The majority of fans are not stupid, any manager will get the patience his efforts deserve. There were plenty booing around me when we drew with Brentford, the second game of the season and even more at full time in that game. I'm not saying people are stupid, I'm saying they need a reality check. We came down with an arrogant attitude IMO.
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Post by pez75 on Jan 7, 2019 11:34:44 GMT
The majority of fans are not stupid, any manager will get the patience his efforts deserve. There were plenty booing around me when we drew with Brentford, the second game of the season and even more at full time in that game. I'm not saying people are stupid, I'm saying they need a reality check. We came down with an arrogant attitude IMO. Fans have been booing bad results at the final whistle for donkeys years now, I would put that down to knee-jerk frustration rather than calling for the managers head tbh. The concensus I got at the start of the season was bewilderment at our 'favourites' tag along with some mild optimism. Saying that, I doubt many were expecting us to be this shit...
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Post by stantheman on Jan 7, 2019 11:59:53 GMT
He has accidentily stepped into a very hot seat due largely to the club's dismal performance over the last 2 years. Mark Hughes has paid his price, but has been well rewarded for failure. The others who are also responsible have carried on as if it is nothing to do with them. Gary Rowett is taking the brunt of the fan's unhappiness yet is doing his best to put right an aweful mess. Rewarded for failure? He was sacked. 18 months too late having squandered fortunes on players, who we are still paying wages to, and can't give away.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 7, 2019 13:15:39 GMT
Rewarded for failure? He was sacked. 18 months too late having squandered fortunes on players, who we are still paying wages to, and can't give away. Obviously.
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Post by fazza90 on Jan 7, 2019 20:59:07 GMT
I know I've said a few choice words about Rowett. I was ok with him until he made those comments about Bojan. Not because I love Bojan as a player (although I do), but because he's a lad who has spoken openly and bravely about his problems with mental health and how it's hampered his career so far. So what does Rowett see fit to do? Make disparaging comments about him in public for absolutely no reason other than to try to cover for his own inadequacies as a manager. And we know that affected Bojan on some level because he responded to it on social media. Do I think Rowett is a twat? I don't know, I've never met him. Do I think he behaved like a twat on this occasion? Absolutely. And believe me when I say I would have no problem telling him that to his face and explaining to him exactly why. Those paedophile chants are absolutely disgusting though. What comments did he make about Bojan ?
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Post by thehoof on Jan 7, 2019 21:15:34 GMT
The majority of fans are not stupid, any manager will get the patience his efforts deserve. There were plenty booing around me when we drew with Brentford, the second game of the season and even more at full time in that game. I'm not saying people are stupid, I'm saying they need a reality check. We came down with an arrogant attitude IMO. There were plenty of boos at the Brentford game you are right. It was the first time we got a view of the bright future - one shot on target in 75 minutes of home football following the Brentford back pass for Afobe’s goal
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Post by magwitch on Jan 8, 2019 12:18:08 GMT
I THINK hUGHES WAS REWARDED TO THE BALANCE OF HIS CONTRACT, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS AT LEAST £2 MILLION. ROWETT WILL RECEIVE A SIMILAR SETTLEMET BASED ON THE BALACE OF HIS CONTRACT. BEING SACKED IS GOOD NEWS! He would have been paid by Stoke for the duration he was out of work. Do you really think these managers go around hoovering up money by being sacked then paid again and again when they take a new job? Lakeland seems to know what he is talking about on this subject, so I will go along with what he has to say.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 8, 2019 12:22:00 GMT
He would have been paid by Stoke for the duration he was out of work. Do you really think these managers go around hoovering up money by being sacked then paid again and again when they take a new job? Lakeland seems to know what he is talking about on this subject, so I will go along with what he has to say. No worries.
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