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Post by mozzer on Jan 6, 2019 11:40:14 GMT
Is it just me who thinks that the venom and vitriol being directed at the current manager is totally unbalanced for the results and performances so far this season, before you jump in with a no he deserves all he gets just bear me out, I agree something requires a addressing with the current problem but should it really have come to this, should it really have gone on to the point that the natives are revolting and actually forcing the club to make changes,
Firstly it is easy for me to say because I withdrew my season ticket purchase to allow me to pick and choose games due to the utter shite served up for the last two years prior to relegation, towards the end of the nightmare season it was actually a better choice to remain in the pub with my ticket unused in my pocket at financial cost to myself but....
Were people that deluded to really think that we would be challenging for promotion this year with the shambles of a club that we had become, a club that became the laughing stock of the football world with the regular drubbing and score lines that we received, a team that was abused and hounded by its own so called supporters on its return to Stoke station after playing Spurs away, a debacle that I actually attended and walked out just after half time as it was that bad, no really it was that bad but I was also there to witness the hatred directed at Butland and Shawcross along with Hughes whilst a lonely looking whimmer sloped off to an awaiting car totally unscathed, a team that required a minimum of 8 first team players to stop the rot of a double relegation et Al Sunderland, a team that wasted so much money building a squad of no hoppers in imbula, badou, whimmer and Berahino, in my opinion if we were to avoid relegation this year we have done brilliantly and is a step in the right direction to fixing a small part of this deeply damaged football club.
Smudge said not so long ago that he thought the club was not as rotten as people were saying and is a club that still has a lot to look forward to, he probably still stands by that line and I will accept his point of view but personally I think that the club is rotten from top to bottom and has been for over 3 years now, no matter who the manager is we will still have massive problems to sort and over come before we can even start to dream about any relative success out on the pitch, I agree 100% Rowetts team lacks any creative visual flare but the start of the season we were leaking goals just like in the prem, he fixed that just like Lambert managed to do by using the midfield and taking all the attacking supply lines from the strikers meaning we are toothless up front, Rowett is a manager who is going out to not lose as a priority but hopes luck will allow us to win hence all the draws, Pulis was hounded for this approach and here we are again, Lambert tried it and now Rowett is giving it a go, just dont lose guys don't lose.
As for Bauer and Bojan being used against Rowett I despair with some of the comments on here,
There is no bigger Bojan fan than me and I can honestly say when he was on form he was the best modern day player I have seen in a Stoke shirt, just remember though that when he first arrived he was shocking and invisable out on that pitch, it took him a fair few games to get going to the player we remember and all hope to have back in a Stoke shirt, I would love to see the Bojan of pre Rochdale rather than the player that he wad first half of his first season...but unfortunately that's what we have now, Bojan has had 4 maybe 5 different managers to give him a chance since his time at Stoke, this is all from memory but Lambert could have recalled him from his loan I think hence maybe 5 managers, I know that there were things going on in the background for Bojans time away from the club but here was a player getting some game time away from Stoke and we were facing a certain relegation, with this threat hanging over us and a new manager in place Lambert chose not to bring him back, what other reasons were there for Lamberts descion, we were in trouble and needed all hands on deck so why do you think this decision was taken, was it taken by Lambert or were his hads tied and if so by whom if the manager is calling the shots on the playing staff, unfortunately Bojan has not become that success he once was, my view is he is a confidence player and struggles with a bit part in the team, he should have been given a run after his goal at Rotherham but Rowett knew that we would ship goals again hence he shored up the midfield by sidelining Bojan, since then Bojan has disapeared again and is not even included in the match day squad of late, whys is this then......think long and hard before you answer
As for Bauer....I was there that night at OT when he made his debut under Ned long name with Lambert sitting in the stand, Bauer was a star in the shit show and looked awesome going forward even though we yet again conceded 3 or 4, Bauer then became a regular under Lambert, he looked ok in his system and then signed a new 5 year deal after we were relegated so what has gone wrong, well firstly look at the month he signed his new deal did Rowett agree to this or even know any thing about it as these deals are not done in a day, then look at the first few results when Bauer played and how we now play as a team with the shape Rowett employs, is it a million miles from Lamberts when Baur was doing ok...then look at the fall out that was made public and the on going exclusion along with Bojan, so not in the squad or any mention of late for either of them, think of Inces words about fans calling for players but there are other factors at play, think of Shawcrosses words about the return of dressing room harmony
Nah, Gary Rowett has not been as successful as some of the dreamers wish, he has spent shed loads, the squads pay is in excess of most if not all of the chamionship, we are boring to watch, our tippy tappy football is in the main ineffective in this league but we were a basket case of a club and that is what it took to get us on an even keel, if we avoid relegation this year we can move on and try to rebuild...with or with out Rowett but who ever it is or who ever it will be going forward the majority of problems will remain within the club and the manager has a job and half on his hands to be successful, it is said the minimum requirment of the team from the owners is the play offs, well my minimum requirment from the owners is as guardians of my club is to run it with purpose and pride, not to sleep walk in to relegation from the biggest cash cow in the sporting world by sanctioning minimum investment to keep the team just in the league, sort the behind scenes problems and give us all something to enjoy and want to be part of.
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Post by Dave the Rave on Jan 6, 2019 11:41:58 GMT
That's a very long way of saying "is entirely justified".
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Post by lstokie on Jan 6, 2019 11:43:55 GMT
I thought this on NYD, I've barely seen hated opposition take abuse like that. The man that essentially got us relegated never got anywhere near as much abuse either. Rowett is to blame for the turgid football, but so are the players themselves.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Jan 6, 2019 11:47:33 GMT
He really has, literally, asked for it.
I've never seen anybody completely miss judge and miss handle a situation as Gary has over the last 6 weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 11:50:49 GMT
The vitriol is mainly aimed at:
His satisfaction with the way he's doing his job and the league position. And his delusion that the fans are just lumbering morons who can't see his grand vision VS. the position we're actually in compared to the budget spent, players in, players on the bench or not making the squad and that not being acceptable.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 11:50:53 GMT
Some of the vitriol towards Rowett has been cringeworthy and embarrassing. He’s trying to win football games - and not particularly doing a great job of it - but fuck me it’s not life or death......
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Post by mozzer on Jan 6, 2019 11:55:08 GMT
I thought this on NYD, I've barely seen hated opposition take abuse like that. The man that essentially got us relegated never got anywhere near as much abuse either. Rowett is to blame for the turgid football, but so are the players themselves. And the board of directors
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Post by wuzza on Jan 6, 2019 11:56:50 GMT
He has made mistakes regarding players and tactics and shows no signs of being able to change things - hence some of the most boring and unproductive football imaginable. He has reacted slightly to some rather unpleasant abuse from people who are often quite prepared to dole it out but then get all offended if he fights back. Does all that justify the venom - no. Does it mean he should keep his job - also no.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 6, 2019 11:58:49 GMT
You simply cannot underestimate how much he has brought it on himself though. To have such thinly veiled pops at supporters from such a position of weakness is pretty dim-witted. I'd like to think he'd learn from it in his next job but he's such a deluded arrogant fuck, I somehow doubt it.
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Post by RAF on Jan 6, 2019 12:01:13 GMT
His performances alone in the main I reckon he could get away with. Where he has shot his bolt is publicly taking the piss out of the fans. His arrogant mistaken belief that boos and chants weren't aimed at him are staggering.
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Post by justastokefan17 on Jan 6, 2019 12:02:21 GMT
I do think hes made mistakes i do think he will and should be sacked..But the hatred is disgusting its so difficult to rationalise why people think is ok to show the hate and spite to a guy who as made mistakes not killed anyone .At the minute it seems a good number of fans like to show hate towards a guy doing his best and go and wreck toilets at a league 2 football club ..wow
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Post by mattador78 on Jan 6, 2019 12:03:02 GMT
Some of the vitriol towards Rowett has been cringeworthy and embarrassing. He’s trying to win football games - and not particularly doing a great job of it - but fuck me it’s not life or death...... That’s the problem though! He wants play with wingers but only has two so has no options to change creativity from the bench. Pushes woods back further splits the centrehalfs and tells the wingers not cross wait for the fullbacks to get in support, which then leaves a massive gaping hole called the midfield which the opposition then steam through because they aren’t there and score. That’s been basically the format all season so far, the worst thing is we have more midfielders than Pulis used to keep centre half’s but linking with the forwards is non existent. I will be honest I’m confused as to what he wants he can’t claim he hasn’t been hacked he’s had forty million to spend at a minimum and he hasn’t in principle strengthened us just made us weaker by isolating players and divided the support in to camps of Rowett out and Rowett fuck off
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Post by smatty88 on Jan 6, 2019 12:06:32 GMT
I think criticism is warranted but what I don't agree with is it when it gets personal. No matter what we think of Rowett, Scholes and Cartwright are doing in their jobs the abuse they take on a personal level is playground stuff.
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Post by shimmer on Jan 6, 2019 12:07:06 GMT
Is it just me who thinks that the venom and vitriol being directed at the current manager is totally unbalanced for the results and performances so far this season, before you jump in with a no he deserves all he gets just bear me out, I agree something requires a addressing with the current problem but should it really have come to this, should it really have gone on to the point that the natives are revolting and actually forcing the club to make changes, Firstly it is easy for me to say because I withdrew my season ticket purchase to allow me to pick and choose games due to the utter shite served up for the last two years prior to relegation, towards the end of the nightmare season it was actually a better choice to remain in the pub with my ticket unused in my pocket at financial cost to myself but.... Were people that deluded to really think that we would be challenging for promotion this year with the shambles of a club that we had become, a club that became the laughing stock of the football world with the regular drubbing and score lines that we received, a team that was abused and hounded by its own so called supporters on its return to Stoke station after playing Spurs away, a debacle that I actually attended and walked out just after half time as it was that bad, no really it was that bad but I was also there to witness the hatred directed at Butland and Shawcross along with Hughes whilst a lonely looking whimmer sloped off to an awaiting car totally unscathed, a team that required a minimum of 8 first team players to stop the rot of a double relegation et Al Sunderland, a team that wasted so much money building a squad of no hoppers in imbula, badou, whimmer and Berahino, in my opinion if we were to avoid relegation this year we have done brilliantly and is a step in the right direction to fixing a small part of this deeply damaged football club. Smudge said not so long ago that he thought the club was not as rotten as people were saying and is a club that still has a lot to look forward to, he probably still stands by that line and I will accept his point of view but personally I think that the club is rotten from top to bottom and has been for over 3 years now, no matter who the manager is we will still have massive problems to sort and over come before we can even start to dream about any relative success out on the pitch, I agree 100% Rowetts team lacks any creative visual flare but the start of the season we were leaking goals just like in the prem, he fixed that just like Lambert managed to do by using the midfield and taking all the attacking supply lines from the strikers meaning we are toothless up front, Rowett is a manager who is going out to not lose as a priority but hopes luck will allow us to win hence all the draws, Pulis was hounded for this approach and here we are again, Lambert tried it and now Rowett is giving it a go, just dont lose guys don't lose. As for Bauer and Bojan being used against Rowett I despair with some of the comments on here, There is no bigger Bojan fan than me and I can honestly say when he was on form he was the best modern day player I have seen in a Stoke shirt, just remember though that when he first arrived he was shocking and invisable out on that pitch, it took him a fair few games to get going to the player we remember and all hope to have back in a Stoke shirt, I would love to see the Bojan of pre Rochdale rather than the player that he wad first half of his first season...but unfortunately that's what we have now, Bojan has had 4 maybe 5 different managers to give him a chance since his time at Stoke, this is all from memory but Lambert could have recalled him from his loan I think hence maybe 5 managers, I know that there were things going on in the background for Bojans time away from the club but here was a player getting some game time away from Stoke and we were facing a certain relegation, with this threat hanging over us and a new manager in place Lambert chose not to bring him back, what other reasons were there for Lamberts descion, we were in trouble and needed all hands on deck so why do you think this decision was taken, was it taken by Lambert or were his hads tied and if so by whom if the manager is calling the shots on the playing staff, unfortunately Bojan has not become that success he once was, my view is he is a confidence player and struggles with a bit part in the team, he should have been given a run after his goal at Rotherham but Rowett knew that we would ship goals again hence he shored up the midfield by sidelining Bojan, since then Bojan has disapeared again and is not even included in the match day squad of late, whys is this then......think long and hard before you answer As for Bauer....I was there that night at OT when he made his debut under Ned long name with Lambert sitting in the stand, Bauer was a star in the shit show and looked awesome going forward even though we yet again conceded 3 or 4, Bauer then became a regular under Lambert, he looked ok in his system and then signed a new 5 year deal after we were relegated so what has gone wrong, well firstly look at the month he signed his new deal did Rowett agree to this or even know any thing about it as these deals are not done in a day, then look at the first few results when Bauer played and how we now play as a team with the shape Rowett employs, is it a million miles from Lamberts when Baur was doing ok...then look at the fall out that was made public and the on going exclusion along with Bojan, so not in the squad or any mention of late for either of them, think of Inces words about fans calling for players but there are other factors at play, think of Shawcrosses words about the return of dressing room harmony Nah, Gary Rowett has not been as successful as some of the dreamers wish, he has spent shed loads, the squads pay is in excess of most if not all of the chamionship, we are boring to watch, our tippy tappy football is in the main ineffective in this league but we were a basket case of a club and that is what it took to get us on an even keel, if we avoid relegation this year we can move on and try to rebuild...with or with out Rowett but who ever it is or who ever it will be going forward the majority of problems will remain within the club and the manager has a job and half on his hands to be successful, it is said the minimum requirment of the team from the owners is the play offs, well my minimum requirment from the owners is as guardians of my club is to run it with purpose and pride, not to sleep walk in to relegation from the biggest cash cow in the sporting world by sanctioning minimum investment to keep the team just in the league, sort the behind scenes problems and give us all something to enjoy and want to be part of. I mainly agree! Hes doing OK, its the best he can do I feel at this present time. A calculate risk investment and club re structure might help, looking at some different scouts etc, perhaps replacing the gent I read about in the Sentinel (is it Cartwright) and Scholes perhaps. Together with re working a relationship with some prem teams for loan players and or english youth through the FA perhaps, such as Lampard and Gerrard, West Brom. Thinks thats the way forward, we have to offload the wage bill also. I am sure Coates has enough to think up a five year plan, with perhaps going up in two or three seasons. Some dialogue to indicate this to the fans would help, it would be disappointing to have every season like this one so far. Although it isn't over.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 6, 2019 12:09:28 GMT
Is singing your football is shit really seen as 'hatred' these days?
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Post by auntiegeorge on Jan 6, 2019 12:10:17 GMT
You simply cannot underestimate how much he has brought it on himself though. To have such thinly veiled pops at supporters from such a position of weakness is pretty dim-witted. I'd like to think he'd learn from it in his next job but he's such a deluded arrogant fuck, I somehow doubt it. Well said. I hardly ever agree with you (on anything) but I've had those exact thoughts for a long time now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 12:12:32 GMT
I do think hes made mistakes i do think he will and should be sacked..But the hatred is disgusting its so difficult to rationalise why people think is ok to show the hate and spite to a guy who as made mistakes not killed anyone .At the minute it seems a good number of fans like to show hate towards a guy doing his best and go and wreck toilets at a league 2 football club ..wow Steady on. He's had a few songs sung about him not been hung, drawn and quartered. Anything he has had though is entirely of his own making. We are a club that backs anyone....he made the decision to call out numerous fan favourites and then the fans themselves...
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Post by werrington on Jan 6, 2019 12:14:52 GMT
You simply cannot underestimate how much he has brought it on himself though. To have such thinly veiled pops at supporters from such a position of weakness is pretty dim-witted. I'd like to think he'd learn from it in his next job but he's such a deluded arrogant fuck, I somehow doubt it. He still doesn’t deserve the pure hatred and venom that’s being posted on here though mate and now we’ve got absolute retards singing hes a paedophile whilst pissing themselves laughing at Shrewsbury yesterday, and that from grown adults Not just that we’ve also got threads started and people thinking it’s funny to continually post “ fink “ in order to mock his speech impediment Perhaps it’s just me
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 12:19:00 GMT
You simply cannot underestimate how much he has brought it on himself though. To have such thinly veiled pops at supporters from such a position of weakness is pretty dim-witted. I'd like to think he'd learn from it in his next job but he's such a deluded arrogant fuck, I somehow doubt it. He still doesn’t deserve the pure hatred and venom that’s being posted on here though mate and now we’ve got absolute retards singing hes a paedophile whilst pissing themselves laughing at Shrewsbury yesterday, and that from grown adults Not just that we’ve also got threads started and people thinking it’s funny to continually post “ fink “ in order to mock his speech impediment Perhaps it’s just me A speech impediment....your fucking joking aren't you 😂
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 6, 2019 12:19:59 GMT
You simply cannot underestimate how much he has brought it on himself though. To have such thinly veiled pops at supporters from such a position of weakness is pretty dim-witted. I'd like to think he'd learn from it in his next job but he's such a deluded arrogant fuck, I somehow doubt it. He still doesn’t deserve the pure hatred and venom that’s being posted on here though mate and now we’ve got absolute retards singing hes a paedophile at Shrewsbury yesterday and that from grown adults Not just that we’ve also got threads started and people thinking it’s funny to continually post “ fink “ in order to mock his speech impediment Perhaps it’s just me Well that song is unacceptable mate and I'd honestly ban them if they were identified. I think everything else particularly about his shocking football and deluded arrogance is fair game.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jan 6, 2019 12:20:11 GMT
Mozzer, there's a whole thread about Bojan which has already put all your claims about him to bed.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jan 6, 2019 12:20:59 GMT
You simply cannot underestimate how much he has brought it on himself though. To have such thinly veiled pops at supporters from such a position of weakness is pretty dim-witted. I'd like to think he'd learn from it in his next job but he's such a deluded arrogant fuck, I somehow doubt it. He still doesn’t deserve the pure hatred and venom that’s being posted on here though mate and now we’ve got absolute retards singing hes a paedophile whilst pissing themselves laughing at Shrewsbury yesterday, and that from grown adults Not just that we’ve also got threads started and people thinking it’s funny to continually post “ fink “ in order to mock his speech impediment Perhaps it’s just me Speech impediment?!
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Post by scfc75 on Jan 6, 2019 12:24:00 GMT
You simply cannot underestimate how much he has brought it on himself though. To have such thinly veiled pops at supporters from such a position of weakness is pretty dim-witted. I'd like to think he'd learn from it in his next job but he's such a deluded arrogant fuck, I somehow doubt it. He still doesn’t deserve the pure hatred and venom that’s being posted on here though mate and now we’ve got absolute retards singing hes a paedophile whilst pissing themselves laughing at Shrewsbury yesterday, and that from grown adults Not just that we’ve also got threads started and people thinking it’s funny to continually post “ fink “ in order to mock his speech impediment Perhaps it’s just me Really? Fucking hell, that’s a new low. Singing we want him out, your football is shit etc is fair game if you feel that way, but making shit like this up and calling him a c**t etc is plain wrong to me. The guy might be doing his job badly, and might have reacted poorly with some of his comments, but I have to agree that getting personal and abusing him with some of the stuff I’ve read on here is totally disproportionate and unacceptable.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 12:26:21 GMT
Some of the vitriol towards Rowett has been cringeworthy and embarrassing. He’s trying to win football games - and not particularly doing a great job of it - but fuck me it’s not life or death...... That’s the problem though! He wants play with wingers but only has two so has no options to change creativity from the bench. Pushes woods back further splits the centrehalfs and tells the wingers not cross wait for the fullbacks to get in support, which then leaves a massive gaping hole called the midfield which the opposition then steam through because they aren’t there and score. That’s been basically the format all season so far, the worst thing is we have more midfielders than Pulis used to keep centre half’s but linking with the forwards is non existent. I will be honest I’m confused as to what he wants he can’t claim he hasn’t been hacked he’s had forty million to spend at a minimum and he hasn’t in principle strengthened us just made us weaker by isolating players and divided the support in to camps of Rowett out and Rowett fuck off That’s all constructive criticism though. The over the top abuse is different, it’s pathetic and mainly from grown men who should know better.....
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Post by werrington on Jan 6, 2019 12:26:30 GMT
He still doesn’t deserve the pure hatred and venom that’s being posted on here though mate and now we’ve got absolute retards singing hes a paedophile at Shrewsbury yesterday and that from grown adults Not just that we’ve also got threads started and people thinking it’s funny to continually post “ fink “ in order to mock his speech impediment Perhaps it’s just me Well that song is unacceptable mate and I'd honestly ban them if they were identified. I think everything else particularly about his shocking football and deluded arrogance is fair game. Yep the football is appalling and the fans can rightly demonstrate and make their feelings known Why people need to use the words they do us beyond me The words despise, cunt, twat etc and saying they hate him just because we lose a football match!!!.. Hate his football by all means but to hate somebody they don’t even know is beyond my reasoning Sadly we see it right through football with Rooney, Terry, in fact any famous player getting absolute rancid bile posted
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Post by werrington on Jan 6, 2019 12:27:53 GMT
He still doesn’t deserve the pure hatred and venom that’s being posted on here though mate and now we’ve got absolute retards singing hes a paedophile whilst pissing themselves laughing at Shrewsbury yesterday, and that from grown adults Not just that we’ve also got threads started and people thinking it’s funny to continually post “ fink “ in order to mock his speech impediment Perhaps it’s just me Speech impediment?! You get my drift, you obviously think it’s acceptable then Oh well
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jan 6, 2019 12:30:45 GMT
Is singing your football is shit really seen as 'hatred' these days? Pretty soon everything will be deemed hate speech! Rowett, to an extent, is copping 3 years of frustration but has invited it on himself and given said frustration a focal point. Thanks Gary! For the last three years the fanbase has been the silence of the lambs to the slaughter, so it's sort of good we have a bit of fight in us but sad it's our manager who is getting it.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jan 6, 2019 12:32:01 GMT
Some of the vile words used yesterday were well beyond the pale (mainly by individuals) and anywhere else but the terrace and there would be consequences, especially if Mr Rowett or the club heard them
Yes he has not handled the press well and has cheap shots at the supporters. but I suspect he is the only visible one, so gets both barrels when some are probably aimed at the wider club current issues
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 6, 2019 12:36:16 GMT
His performances alone in the main I reckon he could get away with. Where he has shot his bolt is publicly taking the piss out of the fans. His arrogant mistaken belief that boos and chants weren't aimed at him are staggering. H Your third point is the crux of the matter. He's spent the past few weeks in interviews criticising the fans for having a go at the players. He knows perfectly well, but refuses to admit it in public, that most of the abuse and criticism has consistently been aimed at him. If he'd had the good sense and good grace to say "I'm glad that the fans have reserved most of their criticism for me," he'd be getting an easier ride now. He'd still (rightly) be getting criticism for his tactics and results, but he wouldn't be getting anything like the contempt many of us now have for him.
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Post by localloser on Jan 6, 2019 12:36:18 GMT
You simply cannot underestimate how much he has brought it on himself though. To have such thinly veiled pops at supporters from such a position of weakness is pretty dim-witted. I'd like to think he'd learn from it in his next job but he's such a deluded arrogant fuck, I somehow doubt it. Don't mean to be picky mate, but I think you meant to say "You cannot OVER estimate how much he has brought it on himself" In which case, I agree with you.
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