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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 3, 2019 19:39:58 GMT
Pulis signed nzonzi and got huddlestone and ba in their stoke kit only months before so whilst it was ok to give pulis the criticism at that time maybe, just maybe, the angst at pulis should have been directed elsewhere from the outset. Nzonzi was the exception to the rule. Not sure Huddlestone was what we needed either. Did Pulis really want Ba? Not his style of signing at the time at all. Pulis signed about 14 players in his last 3-4 windows and of them only Crouch, Adam, Nzonzi and Cameron managed more than 20 league starts. And it took Pulis going to get the best out of all four. Everything you are saying here I've said myself countless times but maybe the fingers weren't necessarily pointed in the right direction. Regardless, as you rightly said further up the transfer team succeed or fail as one. There is absolutely no question that they've failed and failed dismally. Hughes and pulis are rightly no longer here. Rowett will soon follow them out of the door. Scholes and Cartwright should be right behind him on the way out.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jan 3, 2019 19:47:40 GMT
Was Brek Shea a typical Pulis signing? Did he not have power of veto? Shea & Ramadan were both I suppose commercial signings, Shea & Ramadan were both the poster boys in their native countries/continents and with this put Stoke City’s name and shirts on the map you only had to look at Ramadan’s followers on the various media platforms to understand the commercial opportunities if they had succeeded at being footballers. Our brilliant CEO really maximised those commercial opportunities!
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Post by Absolution on Jan 3, 2019 20:01:03 GMT
Shea & Ramadan were both I suppose commercial signings, Shea & Ramadan were both the poster boys in their native countries/continents and with this put Stoke City’s name and shirts on the map you only had to look at Ramadan’s followers on the various media platforms to understand the commercial opportunities if they had succeeded at being footballers. Our brilliant CEO really maximised those commercial opportunities! Didn't the club have to close down its twitter feed at one point because it was overwhelmed with Egyptians joining up? You'd have thought that might have given them a clue as to the potential, but instead it seems to have been seen as an inconvenience. Imagine if we'd flogged a shirt to everyone of Ramadan's half a million or so followers.
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Post by Godo on Jan 3, 2019 20:06:13 GMT
Unless there is an inner cabal operating at the club how the fuck could Cartwright have survived the signing of Imbula, Wimmer, N'Diaye and Afobe, the extended contracts for Adam, Johnson, Fletcher etc and loan signings such as Jese and Martina??? That must be about €60-70 million outlay in wages and transfer fees on what has equated to NOTHING for the club. Makes that qunt Grayling and his ferry contract to a company with no boats look positively shrewd!!
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Post by onefatcopper on Jan 3, 2019 20:07:07 GMT
Shea & Ramadan were both I suppose commercial signings, Shea & Ramadan were both the poster boys in their native countries/continents and with this put Stoke City’s name and shirts on the map you only had to look at Ramadan’s followers on the various media platforms to understand the commercial opportunities if they had succeeded at being footballers. And we exploited that how exactly? We got invited to a pre season tournament in the far east and were the only club involved not to have kits on sale to the locals. The list of on and off field gaffs are practically endless and one man has been a consistent through every shambles. We didn’t ! Didn’t our youth team win the prestigious Addidas cup which was hosted for the final time in the USA ? And then in their wisdom decided to ditch Addidas in favour of Warrior !
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Post by harrysburrow on Jan 3, 2019 20:41:53 GMT
12 months ago to the day, we were into the January window and approaching F.A. cup third round weekend with a manager that had been persevered with for too long. We had a side that was massively under-achieving, major unrest amongst supporters and a board that was deafening us with their silence. We must be the most useless, incompetent, disorganised club in the EFL?
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Post by onefatcopper on Jan 3, 2019 20:50:07 GMT
12 months ago to the day, we were into the January window and approaching F.A. cup third round weekend with a manager that had been persevered with for too long. We had a side that was massively under-achieving, major unrest amongst supporters and a board that was deafening us with their silence. We must be the most useless, incompetent, disorganised club in the EFL? We have a board who believe in synchronicity.
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Post by ashleyscfc on Jan 3, 2019 21:04:44 GMT
We need anti Scholes and Cartwright action at the next games. Whoever had the banner for rowett, you know what to do.
The owners have backed managers. Not always in the right way or at the right times or too the right amount but they have.
The sad part is they’ve been failed by successive incompetent fools below them who have proved there inability.
We need to start again
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Post by sportsman on Jan 3, 2019 21:07:57 GMT
We need anti Scholes and Cartwright action at the next games. Whoever had the banner for rowett, you know what to do. The owners have backed managers. Not always in the right way or at the right times or too the right amount but they have. The sad part is they’ve been failed by successive incompetent fools below them who have proved there inability. We need to start again If a new manager is in place for the next league game the last thing we need is more protests.
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Post by wuzza on Jan 3, 2019 21:13:01 GMT
Unless there is an inner cabal operating at the club how the fuck could Cartwright have survived the signing of Imbula, Wimmer, N'Diaye and Afobe, the extended contracts for Adam, Johnson, Fletcher etc and loan signings such as Jese and Martina??? That must be about €60-70 million outlay in wages and transfer fees on what has equated to NOTHING for the club. Makes that qunt Grayling and his ferry contract to a company with no boats look positively shrewd!! Would it not be correct to think that in some of those cases the actions were initiated by whichever football manager was then in charge. Hughes was , for example , supposed to have been enamoured with Imbula after we played against his team in a friendly. In which case Cartwright ( and Scholes) is merely guilty of making sure the club delivered on the managers desires. It is reasonable to assume that even in the cases where Cartwright did identify the ‘talent’ the manager had the final say if he wanted to take the player on. Cartwright is probably much more a facilitator than a decision maker.
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Post by tony1234 on Jan 3, 2019 21:33:46 GMT
If these 2 clowns are the main problem I cannot understand why TP and MH haven't come out and said this is where it is all stemming from and not all their fault. Because a) it would reflect on them - "grassing up" your incompetent bosses never looks dignfied in the face of failure, and b) it would cause future Chairman to think very hard about employing them, c) because there is a detente that suits all sides - and if you break it - you just get mud thrown back and possibly twice as hard. d) the pay off amount is dependent on signing a gagging clause. Frankly. what's in it for them while they are still working?
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Post by doitforfrank on Jan 4, 2019 10:49:55 GMT
From wikipedia... "On 10 December 2012 Cartwright was appointed technical director at Premier League club Stoke City"
So not too long after the cup final appearance and competing in Europe, we appoint Cartwright. True in that time we saw some stellar performances but mainly from players who we already had from the Pulis era, but since he has had "control" it has been a steady spiral downwards, which now appears to be speeding out of control.
For all the Coates' promises about changes to the recruitment process very little appears to have changed, and we now have a manager who clearly doesnt want many of the players he has at his disposal. Not that Rowett is without blame. For whatever reason, after 6 months, he still doesnt know his best starting eleven, still hasnt sorted the defence, which in my opinion as a former defender himself is appalling, and his refusal to change tactics is Pulis like in stubborness.
Things need to change and quick. We wont go down, but we need to at least make a challenge on the top 6, but at the moment that appears over the horizon and far away.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 0:34:44 GMT
Unless there is an inner cabal operating at the club how the fuck could Cartwright have survived the signing of Imbula, Wimmer, N'Diaye and Afobe, the extended contracts for Adam, Johnson, Fletcher etc and loan signings such as Jese and Martina??? That must be about €60-70 million outlay in wages and transfer fees on what has equated to NOTHING for the club. Makes that qunt Grayling and his ferry contract to a company with no boats look positively shrewd!! Great use of the word cabal. Some things you think you will never see on the Oatcake. Congratulations.
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Post by ashleyscfc on Jan 5, 2019 13:48:22 GMT
“Scholes and Cartwright, get out of our club” ringing round the match...
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Post by amathus on Jan 5, 2019 13:54:33 GMT
“Scholes and Cartwright, get out of our club” ringing round the match... Tony Pulis likes this
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 5, 2019 13:54:50 GMT
“Scholes and Cartwright, get out of our club” ringing round the match... Is that Right ?
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 5, 2019 13:56:37 GMT
I'm not an accountant, but with our outs and ins since Cartwright's arrival I really wonder if it was a master stroke to hire him in the first place? I really don't know how much influence he had in signing Imbula, Wimmer, Berahino and Badou, but that is a serious amount of money spent on players deemed not good enough!
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Post by amathus on Jan 5, 2019 13:57:35 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 5, 2019 13:57:41 GMT
“Scholes and Cartwright, get out of our club” ringing round the match... Tony Pulis likes this He’d love it
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Post by questionable on Jan 5, 2019 13:57:52 GMT
Yes
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Post by drfishy on Jan 5, 2019 13:58:49 GMT
His not the only person to blame for our position but our recruitment has been woeful since he joined. He should be the first to go- even before Rowett
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 5, 2019 13:59:46 GMT
Another step then that the wrath has finally started to spotlight the core issue Rowett of course won’t make the trip back to stoke an another patsy is offered to distract from the core issue
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Post by thevoid on Jan 5, 2019 14:01:07 GMT
Excellent, need to get these chants going loud and clear at home next.
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Post by malteser68 on Jan 5, 2019 14:13:55 GMT
Our brilliant CEO really maximised those commercial opportunities! Didn't the club have to close down its twitter feed at one point because it was overwhelmed with Egyptians joining up? You'd have thought that might have given them a clue as to the potential, but instead it seems to have been seen as an inconvenience. Imagine if we'd flogged a shirt to everyone of Ramadan's half a million or so followers. In Egypt people survive for a whole month on the price of one original football shirt so no chance in hell that could ever happen
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Post by Absolution on Jan 5, 2019 14:17:48 GMT
Didn't the club have to close down its twitter feed at one point because it was overwhelmed with Egyptians joining up? You'd have thought that might have given them a clue as to the potential, but instead it seems to have been seen as an inconvenience. Imagine if we'd flogged a shirt to everyone of Ramadan's half a million or so followers. In Egypt people survive for a whole month on the price of one original football shirt so no chance in hell that could ever happen Yet they're all on the internet.
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Post by riproaringagain on Jan 5, 2019 15:22:49 GMT
They didn’t get the boot for Imbula or whimmer not going anywhere soon Shocking recruitment sucking the life out of our club
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Post by mrred on Jan 5, 2019 15:27:03 GMT
“Scholes and Cartwright, get out of our club” ringing round the match... Brilliant. More of The same please lads.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 5, 2019 15:33:00 GMT
Needs to happen but won’t. All the business re sacked managers having gagging orders says all there is to say about them not being exposed for the mess they’re making. I don’t like Rowett but dislike these 2 even more because they’re sly and won’t acknowledge any of the blame using the local press to defend them.
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Post by AlliG on Jan 5, 2019 15:51:08 GMT
Needs to happen but won’t. All the business re sacked managers having gagging orders says all there is to say about them not being exposed for the mess they’re making. I don’t like Rowett but dislike these 2 even more because they’re sly and won’t acknowledge any of the blame using the local press to defend them. While I would also like to see a clear out of all the people associated with failures of the last few years, I think it is highly unlikely that the "gagging orders" are now anything more than standard practice across all football (and the wider business world). Basically anyone in any line of business who leaves a job under any sort of compromise agreement can expect to have to sign a non-disclosure agreement. The last organisation I worked for dished out non-disclosure agreements like sweeties.
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Post by sportsman on Jan 5, 2019 16:08:37 GMT
“Scholes and Cartwright, get out of our club” ringing round the match... Brilliant. More of The same please lads. Not for me. Not that I don't agree with them going, but if we have a new manager in charge against Leeds, the last thing we or the players need is any more shit being chanted. Under a new manager I want it get back to being a sing a long and beat pit, not a miserable bloody pit.
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