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Post by adi on Jan 2, 2019 10:28:52 GMT
Go 5-3-2 again? Shawcross, BMI and Williams providing a wall at the back. Diouf and Pieters bombing on. Allen, Etebo and Clucas bossing it in midfield. Berahino and Afobe poaching a few goals. Could it be any worse?! And change from our lethal 4-3-3?! Are you mad?
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Post by philb on Jan 2, 2019 10:35:22 GMT
Go 5-3-2 again? Shawcross, BMI and Williams providing a wall at the back. Diouf and Pieters bombing on. Allen, Etebo and Clucas bossing it in midfield. Berahino and Afobe poaching a few goals. Could it be any worse?! It’s an idea but sadly the Clueless Ones coaching manual only has 433 in it. Rumour has it that when he first arrived it was a particularly windy day on his first training session and half the pages on his clipboard blew away and were never found again. Supposedly they were all the other formations he was planning to try 😂
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Post by walrus on Jan 2, 2019 10:37:35 GMT
We all know Mame is a limited player but he’s surely capable of being somewhat effective at this level, as he showed with some decent early season performances.
One of the reasons I’m desperate for Rowett to go now is that it would allow whoever comes in next to make up their own mind on Diouf, Bauer, and Bojan before it’s too late. It should be Rowett shown the exit door this month not those three, but I fear it will be the other way round,
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Post by Absolution on Jan 2, 2019 10:53:46 GMT
There are two sides to Diouf. We all know that when he has time to think, he panics and invariably misses. But the other side is that there have been few Stoke players in the past 25 years who've had his knack for being in the right place at the right time in front of goal.
Much as I've enjoyed the improvement in Berahino's play this season, there've been more than a few times where it just needed someone to instinctively stick their foot or their arse out to nick a goal. Diouf's that sort of player.
He gets more stick than most because he misses. At the moment our forwards aren't even getting that close. He couldn't really do any worse with our scoring record, could he?
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Post by jarvinski on Jan 2, 2019 11:00:19 GMT
The donkey known as Dieuf, has a 50p shaped head and should be nowhere near anybody’s football team
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Post by mozzer on Jan 2, 2019 11:01:47 GMT
Oh my god!! We have become that bad that we have people thinking Diouf is the answer
It was down to descions like this that got us relegated, Diouf should be no where near the first team not even a match day ball boy sitting near the dugouts
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Post by samba :) on Jan 2, 2019 11:02:45 GMT
Diouf puts alot of effort in
But he should never have been anywhere near Man united
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Post by philb on Jan 2, 2019 11:04:19 GMT
Oh my god!! We have become that bad that we have people thinking Diouf is the answer It was down to descions like this that got us relegated, Diouf should be no where near the first team not even a match day ball boy sitting near the dugouts To be fair on his performances so far neither should the bloke we’re about to splash £12m on! 😜
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jan 2, 2019 11:09:23 GMT
I agree Phil. For all of his many faults, I'd argue that Diouf has far more to offer than Berahino. He's quicker, stronger, better in the air and, I think, more capable of scoring. His hold up play lets him down but you can't have everything. It seems clear that he's being prepared for departure by Rowett, as is Bojan and Bauer.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Jan 2, 2019 11:13:06 GMT
We all know Mame is a limited player but he’s surely capable of being somewhat effective at this level, as he showed with some decent early season performances. One of the reasons I’m desperate for Rowett to go now is that it would allow whoever comes in next to make up their own mind on Diouf, Bauer, and Bojan before it’s too late. It should be Rowett shown the exit door this month not those three, but I fear it will be the other way round, Totally agree, my fear is that Rowett will show those 3 the door just before his own imminent departure as a final 'fuck you' to the club and its fans who he clearly despises.
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Post by ursems2boots on Jan 2, 2019 11:24:16 GMT
He’s a better fullback than Martina...
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Post by theteacher on Jan 2, 2019 11:33:12 GMT
Diouf, Bojan, Bauer and Adam. All attacking - all frozen out. Derby fans were right. Sick of it all now. The last three years have been hell - its time for a change. Time for a change, yes and it needs to be throughout the Club before the fan base starts to have a change of interest(s).
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 2, 2019 11:46:30 GMT
Diouf has no interest in being here anymore, can't really blame him can you.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jan 2, 2019 11:50:26 GMT
Diouf has no interest in being here anymore, can't really blame him can you. Not at all, and if I was Bojan and Bauer I'd be going too, but the problem with the latter two is that Bojan still has 18 months (?) on his contract and Bauer has even longer and cost us £5 million. Loans for these two is perhaps our only option, as with Wimmer and Imbula. It really is a massive mess.
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Post by ursemboys on Jan 2, 2019 12:24:20 GMT
he can work has hard has he likes but he wont score ,even when he gets the ball he would still miss it or be offside Yes but as I see us at the moment Afobe isn’t causing the oppositions centre halves any problems at all. For a big target man he’s useless. Diouf would at least make a nuisance of himself and have some presence, which Afobe doesn’t seem to have. Dioufs work rate and presence would make space and time for others to hopefully exploit. Afobe seems to possess neither of those attributes, but never mind we’ve only got to splash out £12m on him soon! come on mate he is shit .defenders in this league would have a field day with him ,and again its not the strikers that are at fault its the supply they are not getting that is the issue . Static defense protected by a deep midfield leave's no forward play for the strikers ,we need sort the defense first to free up the midfield ,we where scoring for fun at the start but leaking goals , we know we can score once we sort the defense .
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Post by ursemboys on Jan 2, 2019 12:24:50 GMT
The donkey known as Dieuf, has a 50p shaped head and should be nowhere near anybody’s football team And feet on the wrong way round he is that bad he could be offside in his own half
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Post by adi on Jan 2, 2019 15:45:32 GMT
Diouf has no interest in being here anymore, can't really blame him can you. Not at all, and if I was Bojan and Bauer I'd be going too, but the problem with the latter two is that Bojan still has 18 months (?) on his contract and Bauer has even longer and cost us £5 million. Loans for these two is perhaps our only option, as with Wimmer and Imbula. It really is a massive mess. And badou!
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jan 2, 2019 15:52:27 GMT
Not at all, and if I was Bojan and Bauer I'd be going too, but the problem with the latter two is that Bojan still has 18 months (?) on his contract and Bauer has even longer and cost us £5 million. Loans for these two is perhaps our only option, as with Wimmer and Imbula. It really is a massive mess. And badou! I knew there was another!
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 2, 2019 15:55:29 GMT
Yes but as I see us at the moment Afobe isn’t causing the oppositions centre halves any problems at all. For a big target man he’s useless. Diouf would at least make a nuisance of himself and have some presence, which Afobe doesn’t seem to have. Dioufs work rate and presence would make space and time for others to hopefully exploit. Afobe seems to possess neither of those attributes, but never mind we’ve only got to splash out £12m on him soon! come on mate he is shit .defenders in this league would have a field day with him ,and again its not the strikers that are at fault its the supply they are not getting that is the issue . Static defense protected by a deep midfield leave's no forward play for the strikers ,we need sort the defense first to free up the midfield ,we where scoring for fun at the start but leaking goals , we know we can score once we sort the defense . He is still the most effective striker at the club. As quick as anyone else, better in the air than everyone but Crouch, stronger than the others and definitely the only one capable of 15 goals in a Premier League season. He also gets himself into goal scoring positions way more than anyone else. Yes his finishing is poor but player regularly in the Championship he will outscore anyone else in our squad. It is beyond belief he is not in the matchday 18
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Post by adi on Jan 2, 2019 16:49:25 GMT
I knew there was another! We could buy an entire champ team with half the transfer fees of those players...
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Jan 2, 2019 17:10:10 GMT
It is beyond desperate though Id rather play with 10, I've seen better control & finishing on a school play ground Dont talk shite
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 2, 2019 17:32:48 GMT
Id rather play with 10, I've seen better control & finishing on a school play ground Dont talk shite seen enough of diouf to last a life time. Being able to stand up in possession of a football without tripping over the ball & your own feet I'd argue is a basic requirement of a professional footballer.. it helps if you can score from 2 yards out aswell. Once upon a time he was half decent, now he's not half half decent. An athlete he might be, but so are people in your local leisure centre. May sound a bit harsh but when you consider he's taking home, what, 30/40k a week? These are basic things for a professional footballer
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Post by philb on Jan 2, 2019 18:14:59 GMT
Yes but as I see us at the moment Afobe isn’t causing the oppositions centre halves any problems at all. For a big target man he’s useless. Diouf would at least make a nuisance of himself and have some presence, which Afobe doesn’t seem to have. Dioufs work rate and presence would make space and time for others to hopefully exploit. Afobe seems to possess neither of those attributes, but never mind we’ve only got to splash out £12m on him soon! come on mate he is shit .defenders in this league would have a field day with him ,and again its not the strikers that are at fault its the supply they are not getting that is the issue . Static defense protected by a deep midfield leave's no forward play for the strikers ,we need sort the defense first to free up the midfield ,we where scoring for fun at the start but leaking goals , we know we can score once we sort the defense . Agree regarding the defence, but Rowett could sort it in a heartbeat by bringing back Bauer, playing Pieters (if he was on the bench yesterday why wasn’t he starting?) or Edwards and playing Bruno and Williams. He won’t though because he’s a stubborn so and so. So back to my original point in that with the team as it is it wouldn’t do any harm trying Diouf up front on his own.
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Post by ursemboys on Jan 2, 2019 18:18:16 GMT
come on mate he is shit .defenders in this league would have a field day with him ,and again its not the strikers that are at fault its the supply they are not getting that is the issue . Static defense protected by a deep midfield leave's no forward play for the strikers ,we need sort the defense first to free up the midfield ,we where scoring for fun at the start but leaking goals , we know we can score once we sort the defense . Agree regarding the defence, but Rowett could sort it in a heartbeat by bringing back Bauer, playing Pieters (if he was on the bench yesterday why wasn’t he starting?) or Edwards and playing Bruno and Williams. He won’t though because he’s a stubborn so and so. So back to my original point in that with the team as it is it wouldn’t do any harm trying Diouf up front on his own. Totally agree with everything you say but sorry Donkey has had way to many chances ,we need sort the supply issues first then go from there
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Post by roylandstoke on Jan 2, 2019 20:52:43 GMT
I'd play Mame over Martina at RB. I'd play Ince wide left and Mame wide right and drop McClean. Neither Berahino nor Afobe have looked at all comfortable up front in our system so we could do worse than give Mame a go there (as has previously been said Harry kane would struggle with the service and support the striker gets in a Rowett team)
Mame Diouf would get in the matchday squad of pretty much every team in this division.
Rowett's mismanagement of his resources really is shocking.
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Post by rorystowel on Jan 2, 2019 20:58:38 GMT
I saw a stat saying that Butland has had over 1,000 touches of the ball this season. I’d be surprised if Afobe has had one tenth of that.
The problem is Rowett’s horrible negative tactics and formation. It’s frustrating as hell watching our players pass sideways and backwards all the time, so just imagine being our lone striker waiting for a through ball that never comes. Joe Allen is one of our few players to have come away from the Bristol City game with any credit, but even he was ignoring Afobe’s central runs and spreading it wide to Martina FFS.
Afobe’s confidence is through the floor now and it’s up to Rowett to get him firing on all cylinders again, instead of replacing him with a 37-year-old striker (or Diouf).
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Post by scfcrmagic on Jan 3, 2019 4:17:03 GMT
But is he a better right back than Martina? I think my 81 year old mother who struggles to walk Would be a better right back than Martina....at least she’d know which direction we were going ...
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Post by nik80 on Jan 3, 2019 7:03:51 GMT
Go 5-3-2 again? Shawcross, BMI and Williams providing a wall at the back. Diouf and Pieters bombing on. Allen, Etebo and Clucas bossing it in midfield. Berahino and Afobe poaching a few goals. Could it be any worse?! Just to see Rowett changed the system, I’d be all for it. Currently, it seems unless forced, he only knows to change players like for like. Get it on!
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Post by nik80 on Jan 3, 2019 7:05:40 GMT
Go 5-3-2 again? Shawcross, BMI and Williams providing a wall at the back. Diouf and Pieters bombing on. Allen, Etebo and Clucas bossing it in midfield. Berahino and Afobe poaching a few goals. Could it be any worse?! And change from our lethal 4-3-3?! Are you mad? It was, is and never will be 4,3,3 though. Obviously, I know the point you’re making is that Rowett won’t ever deviate, which he won’t (it’s working so well).
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Post by loosestools on Jan 3, 2019 7:09:48 GMT
With Diouf and Afobe playing as a 2 up front it would be like watching a pinball machine. One with concrete shins and big clown shoes and the other with trampoline shins.
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