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Post by cooper67 on Dec 10, 2018 23:39:26 GMT
Labour aren't much better, though. At least I don't think they are? 😜 That's the rub. The Tories are a shambles. But they're still a better bet than Labour under Corbyn. Dumb or dumber. What a mess. It could be worse,we could be run by the Scottish Nationalists??
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Post by 3putts on Dec 11, 2018 1:11:55 GMT
Probably someone privileged, public school educated with various vested interests This is a Tory thread. over educated knows fuck all about daily life and the struggles most people go through to make ends meet.self centred twats who only aim is to make the rich richer and the poor poorer.
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Post by Mendicant on Dec 11, 2018 5:59:33 GMT
I'd prefer a Brexiteer, Boris, Davis orJacob ( I think that the main issues politically at the moment are on the world stage ( not necessarily internal) and Jacob would come over as the archetypal Britisher, and he rarely loses an argument)) . My preference would be Priti Patel...but I think that the only one that the Tories think could unite them and possibly win an election is Sajid Priti Patel could erect my hard border any day. You'd have to withdraw by March though.
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Post by auntiegeorge on Dec 11, 2018 6:10:25 GMT
I don't think there will be a change of PM in the near future and a leadership election wouldn't achieve anything positive anyway. Most of the current crop of Tory MPs are so utterly spineless they couldn't get together 48 letters to the 1922 Committee. And Labour are even worse: they've had months to call for a motion of no confidence in the PM but done nothing.
This begs the question whether MPs of all sides are really serious about challenging her despite all the hot air they pitch in public. Personally, I think she has the silent support of most Tory MPs. It does seem (to me) that she is easily the best of a bad bunch and, like her or not, has shown amazing tenacity in the face of constant adversity.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 7:04:35 GMT
I think a lot of Tory MP's do support her but potential leaders seem to be keeping their heads down and letting her take all the flack over Brexit as she's in a no win situation no matter what deal she puts forward. There are so many MP's who are totally anti-Brexit that it's an impossible task to satisfy all the different factions.
Even if she is able to get some change from the EU (extremely unlikely) over the backstop, which seems to be the number one problem, the MP's will no doubt then say the proposed trade arrangement isn't acceptable, and so on.
As May asked yesterday, do the MP's really want to deliver Brexit - and I think we all know the answer to that ! 80% of them stood in the last General Election on a manifesto which said they would honour the referendum result - until they were elected and then they conveniently let their "conscience" take over and Brexit is "not in our interests" once they enter the House of Conmen !.
Liars !
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Post by Dutchpeter on Dec 11, 2018 8:09:45 GMT
Looking further ahead would Ruth Davidson, when her child is older fancy the leadership? As has been mentioned earlier in the thread, Farage might be a future contender. Definitely attractive to the Tory right as he’s a chip off the old block, and very popular with the public and arguably the most effective politician that didn’t hold office. Could he be persuaded to join the Conservatives though?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 8:33:35 GMT
Looking further ahead would Ruth Davidson, when her child is older fancy the leadership? As has been mentioned earlier in the thread, Farage might be a future contender. Definitely attractive to the Tory right as he’s a chip off the old block, and very popular with the public and arguably the most effective politician that didn’t hold office. Could he be persuaded to join the Conservatives though? I think Davidson would be a really good choice for leader - She certainly puts Jimmy Krankie in her place often enough. She'd wipe the floor with Corbyn. Farage was on Breakfast TV today , with Alistair Campbell and Dominic Grieve, and he sort of hinted that he "might be forced to start another party" if (when) Brexit is overturned. Campbell and Grieve are obviously hell bent on remaining and kept banging on about another referendum as "huge numbers have changed their minds from Leave to Remain". Farage said not to underestimate the anger being felt by the Leavers that their vote is being ignored and devalued.
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Post by Frogger Theft Auto on Dec 11, 2018 8:39:28 GMT
Probably Sajid Javid, a couple of quid on the steady Amber Rudd as a dark horse.
David Davies would need some spin after his capitulation as Brexit Secretary, going in a bit clueless, doing nothing for 2 years and then resigning. Raab the same but to a lesser extent.
I think Boris’ stock is low. Gove strengthened his a bit by showing a bit more loyalty to May and the party so he’d probably fancy himself in the mix. I don’t think enough people in the party take JRM’s view of an ideal country too seriously (the political class owning all of the land and everybody else working for them), despite having a posh enough accent to convince quite a few of the peasants.
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 11, 2018 9:12:44 GMT
Looking further ahead would Ruth Davidson, when her child is older fancy the leadership? As has been mentioned earlier in the thread, Farage might be a future contender. Definitely attractive to the Tory right as he’s a chip off the old block, and very popular with the public and arguably the most effective politician that didn’t hold office. Could he be persuaded to join the Conservatives though? I think the problem the conservatives will have is if they fail to deliver brexit is the number of Tory MPs who could jump ship to a credible party set up by Farage
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Post by localloser on Dec 11, 2018 9:19:20 GMT
Looking further ahead would Ruth Davidson, when her child is older fancy the leadership? As has been mentioned earlier in the thread, Farage might be a future contender. Definitely attractive to the Tory right as he’s a chip off the old block, and very popular with the public and arguably the most effective politician that didn’t hold office. Could he be persuaded to join the Conservatives though? I think the problem the conservatives will have is if they fail to deliver brexit is the number of Tory MPs who could jump ship to a credible party set up by Farage
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Post by Waggy on Dec 11, 2018 9:24:51 GMT
Jacob Reese Mogg for me. I also know he used to use Greenwoods online for his summer clothing as well.
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 11, 2018 9:27:25 GMT
I think the problem the conservatives will have is if they fail to deliver brexit is the number of Tory MPs who could jump ship to a credible party set up by Farage Any party set up by Farage Could well pick up hundreds of thousands of labour voters from a discredited Labour Party The same from the Tory party And once and all finish the liberals idiocy in advocating electoral reform The politicians are playing with fire if they fail to deliver the will of the people By the way I’m no supporter of Farage
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 11, 2018 9:28:11 GMT
Jacob Reese Mogg for me. I also know he used to use Greenwoods online for his summer clothing as well. As good a reason as many mentioned
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Post by yeokel on Dec 11, 2018 9:56:25 GMT
I'd prefer a Brexiteer, Boris, Davis orJacob ( I think that the main issues politically at the moment are on the world stage ( not necessarily internal) and Jacob would come over as the archetypal Britisher, and he rarely loses an argument)) . My preference would be Priti Patel...but I think that the only one that the Tories think could unite them and possibly win an election is Sajid I agree about JRM but they would see him as too divisive (perhaps Foreign Secretary instead)? I wonder how good he is at negotiating (instead of just pointing out to people the flaws in their argument)? As others have said, I think they will all keep their heads down for a while and let May take all the flack.
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Post by murphthesurf on Dec 11, 2018 10:10:15 GMT
Looking further ahead would Ruth Davidson, when her child is older fancy the leadership? As has been mentioned earlier in the thread, Farage might be a future contender. Definitely attractive to the Tory right as he’s a chip off the old block, and very popular with the public and arguably the most effective politician that didn’t hold office. Could he be persuaded to join the Conservatives though? I think Davidson would be a really good choice for leader - She certainly puts Jimmy Krankie in her place often enough. She'd wipe the floor with Corbyn.Farage was on Breakfast TV today , with Alistair Campbell and Dominic Grieve, and he sort of hinted that he "might be forced to start another party" if (when) Brexit is overturned. Campbell and Grieve are obviously hell bent on remaining and kept banging on about another referendum as "huge numbers have changed their minds from Leave to Remain". Farage said not to underestimate the anger being felt by the Leavers that their vote is being ignored and devalued. Agreed re. Ruth Davidson. The first time I ever saw and heard her speak on TV I literally sat bolt upright and said 'WOW! - there's a definite future leader - no question about it', and frankly, through her passion, knowledge and eloquence, I couldn't wait for the day it happened --- so when her son was born recently and she said she would not stand as leader I was absolutely gutted as she's an intelligent politician and a superb speaker who makes Corbyn's crazed rants look even more amateurish and ridiculous than they did before. I hope she might reconsider her decision re. the leadership at some point. Right at the other end of the scale in Scotland, that vile snipey little Sturgeon grub is appalling in every conceivable sense of the word. If she ever comes on the TV spouting her poisonous bile there's a scramble for the zapper. Two Scottish politicians with a world of difference between them.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 11, 2018 10:14:08 GMT
Priti Patel could erect my hard border any day. You'd have to withdraw by March though. Is he part of the spit roast?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 11, 2018 10:16:56 GMT
Jacob Reese Mogg for me. I also know he used to use Greenwoods online for his summer clothing as well. As good a reason as many mentioned I might treat myself to that quilted coat I saw hanging outside there, the other day.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Dec 11, 2018 10:36:20 GMT
I think Davidson would be a really good choice for leader - She certainly puts Jimmy Krankie in her place often enough. She'd wipe the floor with Corbyn.Farage was on Breakfast TV today , with Alistair Campbell and Dominic Grieve, and he sort of hinted that he "might be forced to start another party" if (when) Brexit is overturned. Campbell and Grieve are obviously hell bent on remaining and kept banging on about another referendum as "huge numbers have changed their minds from Leave to Remain". Farage said not to underestimate the anger being felt by the Leavers that their vote is being ignored and devalued. Agreed re. Ruth Davidson. The first time I ever saw and heard her speak on TV I literally sat bolt upright and said 'WOW! - there's a definite future leader - no question about it', and frankly, through her passion, knowledge and eloquence, I couldn't wait for the day it happened --- so when her son was born recently and she said she would not stand as leader I was absolutely gutted as she's an intelligent politician and a superb speaker who makes Corbyn's crazed rants look even more amateurish and ridiculous than they did before. I hope she might reconsider her decision re. the leadership at some point. Right at the other end of the scale in Scotland, that vile snipey little Sturgeon grub is appalling in every conceivable sense of the word. If she ever comes on the TV spouting her poisonous bile there's a scramble for the zapper. Two Scottish politicians with a world of difference between them. Totally agree with everything you say! Ruth is fierce, eloquent in her delivery and inspires confidence in her position (as leader of Scottish conservatives)! She frequent is able to destroy the SNP nationalistic viewpoint especially the poisoned dwarf in Sturgeon! She would be perfect but she knows that PM is a poisoned chalice at this moment with Brexit hanging over like a spectre of death. One for the (near) future and I wonder and hope that her visible absence is planned so that she is not tarnished with the stench of Brexit. JRM as much as i like him is good but he is integral to the Brexit debate and will have it hanging over him should he be leader, and will not attract voters who are fed up and annoyed with the whole debacle. It is also why Corbyn will not be PM either because of his actions along with the tarnished momentum movement. So in essence, once we have staggered over the Brexit line (hopefully to it’s successful implementation) both parties need a scrub out to provide good governance and effective opposition.
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Post by murphthesurf on Dec 11, 2018 10:49:38 GMT
Agreed re. Ruth Davidson. The first time I ever saw and heard her speak on TV I literally sat bolt upright and said 'WOW! - there's a definite future leader - no question about it', and frankly, through her passion, knowledge and eloquence, I couldn't wait for the day it happened --- so when her son was born recently and she said she would not stand as leader I was absolutely gutted as she's an intelligent politician and a superb speaker who makes Corbyn's crazed rants look even more amateurish and ridiculous than they did before. I hope she might reconsider her decision re. the leadership at some point. Right at the other end of the scale in Scotland, that vile snipey little Sturgeon grub is appalling in every conceivable sense of the word. If she ever comes on the TV spouting her poisonous bile there's a scramble for the zapper. Two Scottish politicians with a world of difference between them. Totally agree with everything you say! Ruth is fierce, eloquent in her delivery and inspires confidence in her position (as leader of Scottish conservatives)! She frequent is able to destroy the SNP nationalistic viewpoint especially the poisoned dwarf in Sturgeon! She would be perfect but she knows that PM is a poisoned chalice at this moment with Brexit hanging over like a spectre of death. One for the (near) future and I wonder and hope that her visible absence is planned so that she is not tarnished with the stench of Brexit. JRM as much as i like him is good but he is integral to the Brexit debate and will have it hanging over him should he be leader, and will not attract voters who are fed up and annoyed with the whole debacle. It is also why Corbyn will not be PM either because of his actions along with the tarnished momentum movement. So in essence, once we have staggered over the Brexit line (hopefully to it’s successful implementation) both parties need a scrub out to provide good governance and effective opposition.
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Post by 3putts on Dec 11, 2018 10:51:14 GMT
I think Davidson would be a really good choice for leader - She certainly puts Jimmy Krankie in her place often enough. She'd wipe the floor with Corbyn.Farage was on Breakfast TV today , with Alistair Campbell and Dominic Grieve, and he sort of hinted that he "might be forced to start another party" if (when) Brexit is overturned. Campbell and Grieve are obviously hell bent on remaining and kept banging on about another referendum as "huge numbers have changed their minds from Leave to Remain". Farage said not to underestimate the anger being felt by the Leavers that their vote is being ignored and devalued. Agreed re. Ruth Davidson. The first time I ever saw and heard her speak on TV I literally sat bolt upright and said 'WOW! - there's a definite future leader - no question about it', and frankly, through her passion, knowledge and eloquence, I couldn't wait for the day it happened --- so when her son was born recently and she said she would not stand as leader I was absolutely gutted as she's an intelligent politician and a superb speaker who makes Corbyn's crazed rants look even more amateurish and ridiculous than they did before. I hope she might reconsider her decision re. the leadership at some point. Right at the other end of the scale in Scotland, that vile snipey little Sturgeon grub is appalling in every conceivable sense of the word. If she ever comes on the TV spouting her poisonous bile there's a scramble for the zapper. Two Scottish politicians with a world of difference between them. bollox we have already had two women pm's and both have been a disaster for the working man.
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 11, 2018 11:50:51 GMT
Agreed re. Ruth Davidson. The first time I ever saw and heard her speak on TV I literally sat bolt upright and said 'WOW! - there's a definite future leader - no question about it', and frankly, through her passion, knowledge and eloquence, I couldn't wait for the day it happened --- so when her son was born recently and she said she would not stand as leader I was absolutely gutted as she's an intelligent politician and a superb speaker who makes Corbyn's crazed rants look even more amateurish and ridiculous than they did before. I hope she might reconsider her decision re. the leadership at some point. Right at the other end of the scale in Scotland, that vile snipey little Sturgeon grub is appalling in every conceivable sense of the word. If she ever comes on the TV spouting her poisonous bile there's a scramble for the zapper. Two Scottish politicians with a world of difference between them. bollox we have already had two women pm's and both have been a disaster for the working man. Open to debate the first one had to rescue the country from the disaster of a corbyn style government And then gave many working man and women a chance to own there own homes
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Post by lordb on Dec 11, 2018 12:16:28 GMT
bollox we have already had two women pm's and both have been a disaster for the working man. Open to debate the first one had to rescue the country from the disaster of a corbyn style government And then gave many working man and women a chance to own there own homes & what a disaster that policy has been overall.
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 11, 2018 13:28:56 GMT
Open to debate the first one had to rescue the country from the disaster of a corbyn style government And then gave many working man and women a chance to own there own homes & what a disaster that policy has been overall. Quite a lot of middle aged people who are busy spunking there inheritence’s on new cars ect would probably disagree There’s approximately 1.8 million families and individuals waiting for social housing I wonder over the last twenty years how large the increase in the population has become due to uncontrollable immigration due to labours open door policy There couldn’t be a slight link could there
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 11, 2018 14:28:36 GMT
& what a disaster that policy has been overall. Quite a lot of middle aged people who are busy spunking there inheritence’s on new cars ect would probably disagree There’s approximately 1.8 million families and individuals waiting for social housing I wonder over the last twenty years how large the increase in the population has become due to uncontrollable immigration due to labours open door policy There couldn’t be a slight link could there Of course there is. But it's racist to point out that successive governments have taken the piss out of the indigenous population.
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Post by lordb on Dec 11, 2018 15:39:54 GMT
& what a disaster that policy has been overall. Quite a lot of middle aged people who are busy spunking there inheritence’s on new cars ect would probably disagree There’s approximately 1.8 million families and individuals waiting for social housing I wonder over the last twenty years how large the increase in the population has become due to uncontrollable immigration due to labours open door policy There couldn’t be a slight link could there People are waiting for social housing primarily because as a country we 1: sold off a lot of our social housing stock & 2: haven't replaced it. Both Tory and ('new') Labour govts have been responsible for this.
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Post by yeokel on Dec 11, 2018 15:42:34 GMT
Quite a lot of middle aged people who are busy spunking there inheritence’s on new cars ect would probably disagree There’s approximately 1.8 million families and individuals waiting for social housing I wonder over the last twenty years how large the increase in the population has become due to uncontrollable immigration due to labours open door policy There couldn’t be a slight link could there People are waiting for social housing primarily because as a country we 1: sold off a lot of our social housing stock & 2: haven't replaced it. Both Tory and ('new') Labour govts have been responsible for this. Not only have we not replaced it, but it was made illegal to do so.
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 11, 2018 16:39:22 GMT
Quite a lot of middle aged people who are busy spunking there inheritence’s on new cars ect would probably disagree There’s approximately 1.8 million families and individuals waiting for social housing I wonder over the last twenty years how large the increase in the population has become due to uncontrollable immigration due to labours open door policy There couldn’t be a slight link could there People are waiting for social housing primarily because as a country we 1: sold off a lot of our social housing stock & 2: haven't replaced it. Both Tory and ('new') Labour govts have been responsible for this. So no mention of the million plus people the Labour Party let in with no controls they all needed housing Notice I didn’t say new labour as you can dress a wolf in a lambs fleece it’s still a wolf Same labour new old and now incompetent they all have one thing in common they have or will fuck up the country
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 11, 2018 16:51:45 GMT
Rumours that the 48 letters are in or very close again. Please let it be the Victorian Ghost
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 11, 2018 17:21:35 GMT
Rumours that the 48 letters are in or very close again. Please let it be the Victorian Ghost They could dig up ted heath stick a broom up his arse move his arms about a bit And he’d still beat that pile of shit in charge of labour
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 11, 2018 17:28:37 GMT
Rumours that the 48 letters are in or very close again. Please let it be the Victorian Ghost They could dig up ted heath stick a broom up his arse move his arms about a bit And he’d still beat that pile of shit in charge of labour How does it feel to support a democracy hating bunch of far right lunatics so strongly. You must be very, very proud
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