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Post by jarhead on Dec 6, 2018 11:25:20 GMT
Super Sunday Coming soon
Bournemouth v Burnley Huddersfield v Cardiff Brighton v Watford Fulham v Palace Wolves v Southampton
I’d rather boil my Bollocks for 6 days than watch that crock of shit.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 6, 2018 11:27:17 GMT
I can't even be arsed watch most of it. Cardiff v Bournemouth Burnley v Huddersfield Fulham v wolves Southampton v Newcastle palace v Brighton I mean, come on. Who are we kidding 400 miles this weeks to watch rowettts stoke v lamberts Ipswich in a half empty stadium , everyone in a position of authority should be utterly ashamed we threw away the gravy train it wasn’t taken away by inability to compete just given away by incompetence and complacency
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Dec 6, 2018 11:39:27 GMT
Until the Top 6 clubs leave for a European Super League Nothing will change Yes - but not necessarily for the better. The Super League would hoover up all the cash and leave domestic leagues like ones slready elsewhere on Europe. Serbian, Croatian, Greek etc leagues are generslly unwatchable dirge played in front of small crowds with high incidents of violence. There would be potential for us to go the same way.
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Post by thevoid on Dec 6, 2018 12:08:34 GMT
It's much better now we've dropped down a level and are winning games more regularly.
Oh, hang on...
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Post by 3putts on Dec 6, 2018 12:12:12 GMT
Until the Top 6 clubs leave for a European Super League Nothing will change I don't see that being a solution myself. All interest in domestic leagues will be gone. All the talent, be it senior or youth, would be hoovered up by the super league teams. Would there be any domestic footy on TV? Perhaps like the Championship is now maybe but for sure any money will be gone. IMO, a super league will put the final nail in the coffin of the sport. People said the same thing when the Premier league was formed. I would welcome the spl so we can say fuck off to the big 6 and their mega rich owners who see a club as a rich man's toy. A new first division would be awesome it would be like the 70,s again when stoke could compete Bring it on
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 6, 2018 12:27:33 GMT
I don't see that being a solution myself. All interest in domestic leagues will be gone. All the talent, be it senior or youth, would be hoovered up by the super league teams. Would there be any domestic footy on TV? Perhaps like the Championship is now maybe but for sure any money will be gone. IMO, a super league will put the final nail in the coffin of the sport. People said the same thing when the Premier league was formed. I would welcome the spl so we can say fuck off to the big 6 and their mega rich owners who see a club as a rich man's toy. A new first division would be awesome it would be like the 70,s again when stoke could compete Bring it on Except we wouldn’t be competing against the best like we were then
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Post by MilanStokie on Dec 6, 2018 14:28:35 GMT
I don't see that being a solution myself. All interest in domestic leagues will be gone. All the talent, be it senior or youth, would be hoovered up by the super league teams. Would there be any domestic footy on TV? Perhaps like the Championship is now maybe but for sure any money will be gone. IMO, a super league will put the final nail in the coffin of the sport. People said the same thing when the Premier league was formed. I would welcome the spl so we can say fuck off to the big 6 and their mega rich owners who see a club as a rich man's toy. A new first division would be awesome it would be like the 70,s again when stoke could compete Bring it on How are they even comparable? The Premier League was just a redesign of the top division that existed before it. A Super league would be an unprecedented league that hoovers up the talent and funds and any sort of public interest. The sport would shrink but the super league and it's clubs would be billionaires for sure. Barely any TV coverage outside of it. Good players in the domestic league clamouring over the chance to join the super league. We would become like the SPL. Lots of fans would adopt 1 of these clubs leaving empty stadia across the country. If you want this sort of footy, just go and watch league 2 or even Sunday league.
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Post by thevoid on Dec 6, 2018 14:32:50 GMT
What would be the point in winning the English league without the big six?
It'd be like winning the BDO and calling yourself world darts champion.
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 6, 2018 14:54:34 GMT
Only 15 games in and look at the state of it at the top. 8 points separate 1 & 3rd and 8 points separate 5th & 6th. 6th down are in their annual relegation battle and simply making up the numbers as usual. 16 points gap therefore between 1 & 6th after less than half a season. The only exciting bit is seeing Man U massively struggling to make the top 4 these days and falling well short of the top 6 currently. I had to laugh when Hughes got sacked at Southampton after drawing with Man U. A draw v Man U is deemed to be failure these days and loses you your job! The Leicester, once in a lifetime, Premier win was great to see but in reality it just meant the top 6 spent heavily to make sure it can never be allowed to happen again. Do we want to be in that sterile and uninteresting league again pretty much just going through the motions? I guess we probably do but then we will always just be one of the also-rans chasing that 40 point target each year to survive with only realistic 2 targets. Avoid relegation and sneak a trophy if we are lucky. I suspect change will be on the horizon as people start to lose interest but I am probably wrong. I usually am! Totallly agree with all you say , but would just like to add it’s all about the money and not the football , so staying in the prem of getting there has huge rewards , very rich owners and mega rich footballers
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Post by sheds1862 on Dec 6, 2018 15:00:35 GMT
It's the same excitement to me scoring a goal versus Ipswich or Shrewsbury as it is Man Utd. Same emotional response to a goal. The Premier isn't all it is cracked out to be. When we were there all we did was moan we were last on Match of the day because we drew 0-0 at Brighton etc etc. ( i know we didn't draw 0-0 with Brighton, just a figure of speech ).
Do we want to get back there, by god we do, but it really isn't the holy grail finishing between 8th and 20th every season. I want to be entertained and enjoy my football, yes it is a results business but the Premier League is basically a 6 or 7 team league with the rest cannon fodder.
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Post by henry on Dec 6, 2018 15:03:56 GMT
Not missed the premier league one bit.
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Post by biglad180 on Dec 6, 2018 15:10:53 GMT
man city and Chelsea are the main culprits why its dead. they sould not be aloud to buy players just for the sake of no other club having them the squads teams can have should be capped.and the amount they can spend should to. Chelsea have at least 30 players out on loan. and as of man city there spending power is a joke. the premier league is dying a death.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 15:23:49 GMT
I can't even be arsed watch most of it. Cardiff v Bournemouth Burnley v Huddersfield Fulham v wolves Southampton v Newcastle palace v Brighton I mean, come on. Who are we kidding 400 miles this weeks to watch rowettts stoke v lamberts Ipswich in a half empty stadium , everyone in a position of authority should be utterly ashamed we threw away the gravy train it wasn’t taken away by inability to compete just given away by incompetence and complacency
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Post by djduncanjames on Dec 6, 2018 16:06:44 GMT
Money made it what it is and the pursuit of even more money will be the death of it. And what it is a closed shop, whereas before anyone could have at least a decent crack at a top 4 spot. how do you qualify that when Manchester United are not up there
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Post by Absolution on Dec 6, 2018 16:29:00 GMT
I don't see that being a solution myself. All interest in domestic leagues will be gone. All the talent, be it senior or youth, would be hoovered up by the super league teams. Would there be any domestic footy on TV? Perhaps like the Championship is now maybe but for sure any money will be gone. IMO, a super league will put the final nail in the coffin of the sport. People said the same thing when the Premier league was formed. I would welcome the spl so we can say fuck off to the big 6 and their mega rich owners who see a club as a rich man's toy. A new first division would be awesome it would be like the 70,s again when stoke could compete Bring it on I'd love this to be the case, but money rather than sport would still be the only game in town. Once the big 6 had buggered off, the next big 6 - Everton, Newcastle, West Ham or insert whichever teams you want, would start to demand the lions share of whatever money was on offer. If we could go back to a time where all gate receipts were shared (the change from this was the start of the rich getting richer), and TV money could be shared evenly, then we could see a return to a league that almost any team could win. I just don't see that happening. Sadly.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 6, 2018 16:33:03 GMT
And what it is a closed shop, whereas before anyone could have at least a decent crack at a top 4 spot. how do you qualify that when Manchester United are not up there The top four is comprised of four of the same six clubs pretty much every season and will continue to be. That’s how I qualify it. What would your counter argument that it’s a land of opportunity be?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 17:13:12 GMT
Only 15 games in and look at the state of it at the top. 8 points separate 1 & 3rd and 8 points separate 5th & 6th. 6th down are in their annual relegation battle and simply making up the numbers as usual. 16 points gap therefore between 1 & 6th after less than half a season. The only exciting bit is seeing Man U massively struggling to make the top 4 these days and falling well short of the top 6 currently. I had to laugh when Hughes got sacked at Southampton after drawing with Man U. A draw v Man U is deemed to be failure these days and loses you your job! The Leicester, once in a lifetime, Premier win was great to see but in reality it just meant the top 6 spent heavily to make sure it can never be allowed to happen again. Do we want to be in that sterile and uninteresting league again pretty much just going through the motions? I guess we probably do but then we will always just be one of the also-rans chasing that 40 point target each year to survive with only realistic 2 targets. Avoid relegation and sneak a trophy if we are lucky. I suspect change will be on the horizon as people start to lose interest but I am probably wrong. I usually am! Hughes didn't get sacked for drawing against Man Utd. He got sacked for being wank all season so far and his 19% win ratio. It just so happened to be after the Man Utd game.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 17:15:40 GMT
Embarrassing top division that is. Name a top division better
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 6, 2018 17:21:37 GMT
Embarrassing top division that is. Name a top division better So far this season, La Liga. Usually a 2-3 horse race at best. This season Alaves are four points off the top and Sevilla and Bilbao are in the top three.
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Post by greenhoff on Dec 6, 2018 17:22:14 GMT
Embarrassing top division that is. Name a top division better PDSL premier division.
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Post by jarhead on Dec 6, 2018 17:34:40 GMT
Name a top division better So far this season, La Liga. Usually a 2-3 horse race at best. This season Alaves are four points off the top and Sevilla and Bilbao are in the top three. Ditto
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Post by stokeyank on Dec 6, 2018 17:38:52 GMT
Only way to save it at this point (and something that will NEVER happen) is to do three primary things. 1) All TV money distributed evenly (CL money may be the exception). 2) Ban agents from receiving any part of a transfer price. 3) Salary cap. Each team has a max total wage bill, any amount over that is penalized and distributed to other clubs in the league.
Like I said never happening in a million years but would be what is needed.
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Post by sportsman on Dec 6, 2018 18:40:20 GMT
I can't even be arsed watch most of it. Cardiff v Bournemouth Burnley v Huddersfield Fulham v wolves Southampton v Newcastle palace v Brighton I mean, come on. Who are we kidding 400 miles this weeks to watch rowettts stoke v lamberts Ipswich in a half empty stadium , everyone in a position of authority should be utterly ashamed we threw away the gravy train it wasn’t taken away by inability to compete just given away by incompetence and complacency I thought we got relegated and weren't in the premier league?
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Dec 6, 2018 18:58:00 GMT
I agree with the notion, but it's still better than being in the Championship, where the only thing going for it is that we come up against some fun and familiar faces from our past.
The feeling of being on the brink of something truly special under TP in Europe and our 9th placed finishes under Hughes were the most exciting times of being a Stoke fan in my life.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 6, 2018 18:58:15 GMT
Championship is great, who wouldn't prefer to watch James McClean rather than Shaqiri?
Honestly, what a load of cobblers this thread is.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 6, 2018 19:07:28 GMT
It's much better now we've dropped down a level and are winning games more regularly. Oh, hang on... Amazing to think, after 20 games last season we had won 5 matches. What's more, everyone apart from the Board was shouting for Hughes to be sacked, well before we beat West Brom. Drop a division and only 6 wins and there are still people on here defending Rowett saying we are improving, give him a season, etc. The Prem is a pain in the backside, but I never thought I would appreciate the refereeing in the Prem. now we have to contend with utter rubbish. Sooner or later the bubble will burst and the money men will find something else to exploit.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 19:29:51 GMT
The Premier League was very predictable in that we knew before a ball had been kicked who the top 6 would be, who would usually be in the middle 6, and who would be in the bottom 8 in most danger of relegation. We had some great games, huge victories, and regular 3 or 4 goal (or worse) defeats.
IMO being in the Championship is just like being in some form of limbo, and going through the motions and waiting/hoping to get back to the Premier League. For me there just doesn't seem to be any real interest or excitement before or during any of the games this season irrespective of who we are playing. Seeing us now compared to how we were at our peak in the Prem is soul destroying.
I've supported Stoke since the 1960's and seen us when we really good and really bad, and this season just seems to be another of the so-so ones.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 6, 2018 19:54:13 GMT
The Premier League is rubbish as a competition and has been for years. The football played by the top clubs can be brilliant but it's essentially three separate leagues crammed into one fixture list.
I believe a super league will happen. The local fan base is just seen as match day decoration by the majority of owners - it's the telly and sales around the world that matter to them. It's crap it's gone that way but it has more to do with global economics than sport.
The super league will be stitched up by the big six - being realistic clubs like Stoke won't get a look in. However what's left (The Not So Premier League 1 and 2) has the potential of being proper competitions - ones where every team in it can genuinely believe they can win it.
To be honest I'd rather watch Stoke in a competitive league - seeing the like's of Manchester City tearing us apart nearly every time isn't much fun after a while. I was cynical about the new european league - but it's worked out really well. Having teams in the same league who are actually "in the same league" makes every game exciting - even if in terms of pure quality the football isn't so great.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 6, 2018 21:11:10 GMT
Championship is great, who wouldn't prefer to watch James McClean rather than Shaqiri? Honestly, what a load of cobblers this thread is. Mark Stein or Joselu? This is a fun game isn’t it?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 21:16:50 GMT
Premiership is dying a slow painful death....
Yet we are really loving life watching this pathetic standard of football and seeing the likes of Maclean ince and Afobe struggle hit a cows arse with a banjo....
Then again some couldn’t wait for mardarse arnie to go, or fat idle shaqiri to piss off
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