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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 3, 2018 23:20:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 23:21:54 GMT
False news. It's a hoax
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 23:23:43 GMT
Check out the Twitter account. Hes still in the job according to Savage
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 3, 2018 23:49:39 GMT
See a normal football club that means to stay in the Prem makes the move before Christmas and has the replacement recruited ahead of time and ready to put pen to paper... just makes our board last season feel even more of a bloody pantomime
As for Sparky, I'm sorry but not surprised, he'd got on such a downward spiral of poor decisions and bad instincts with us that for his own sake he shouldn't have jumped straight into the next job - if he wants to get back to where he was at Stoke for the first 2.5 seasons he needs time out of the game again to regroup. Managers are allowed to get nervous exhaustion too, ok it's absurdly well paid but still a killer of a job. Some of feel that way this season. Unfortunately I don't think our board will seriously think about getting rid of Rowett until the pantomime season is well under way and it is too late (again).
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Post by ibby on Dec 4, 2018 0:10:44 GMT
Could we see him never getting another job in football.
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Post by Gods on Dec 4, 2018 0:21:07 GMT
Could we see him never getting another job in football. Yes, we absolutely can.
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Post by musik on Dec 4, 2018 1:07:25 GMT
Didn't the Saints do it well against Man Utd? I don't think he's lost his job.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2018 2:49:00 GMT
See a normal football club that means to stay in the Prem makes the move before Christmas and has the replacement recruited ahead of time and ready to put pen to paper... just makes our board last season feel even more of a bloody pantomime As for Sparky, I'm sorry but not surprised, he'd got on such a downward spiral of poor decisions and bad instincts with us that for his own sake he shouldn't have jumped straight into the next job - if he wants to get back to where he was at Stoke for the first 2.5 seasons he needs time out of the game again to regroup. Managers are allowed to get nervous exhaustion too, ok it's absurdly well paid but still a killer of a job. You must have missed the fact that he kept So'ton from getting relegated, i.e. he was at least for one day a hugely successful manager. He didn't need any batteries recharged for that. Anyway Hughes doesn't get exhausted from his one working day per week
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Post by cheshirepotter on Dec 4, 2018 3:56:09 GMT
So that sees his record of never having been relegated, when he has been in charge of a club at the start and end of a season, preserved then. Well done.
At least Southampton saw the writing on the wall and gave themselves a little longer than we did to redeem the situation.
If the average football fan could take charge of managerial recruitment he would never have another management job. But no doubt he’ll turn up somewhere. What a joke.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 4, 2018 8:48:38 GMT
So that sees his record of never having been relegated, when he has been in charge of a club at the start and end of a season, preserved then. Well done. At least Southampton saw the writing on the wall and gave themselves a little longer than we did to redeem the situation. If the average football fan could take charge of managerial recruitment he would never have another management job. But no doubt he’ll turn up somewhere. What a joke. Every season he has been in charge of a Premier League club* for the whole of the season, he has finished in the top half of the table, with the sole exception of his 4th season at Stoke. He has saved QPR and Southampton from relegation the season he joined them. It is a record to be envied by many British managers. * Blackburn, Man C., Fulham, and Stoke 1st 3 seasons. sport.bt.com/news/a-closer-look-at-mark-hughes-premier-league-record-S11364315300314en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Hughes
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Post by kurt on Dec 4, 2018 8:54:15 GMT
We should have sacked him after the third season
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Dec 4, 2018 9:31:49 GMT
Sorry chap I can't let that one go unchallenged. Hughes was NOT one of our all time best managers. He won us neither promotion nor silverware. Yes there was a period of attractive football but there was also a period of relentless thwackings against pretty much anyone in the top 6. Hughes came into the club at the time that it was receiving the most generous funding in it's entire history and attached a few sparkling baubles to a solidly grown Christmas Tree. When that tree started to rot knew nothing about how to fix it. A great manager can put together more than one squad (as amongst your "greats" Pulis did for survival, promotion, and survival a division up, and Waddington did for the 60's and again for the 70's). Hughes hasn't got a clue how to do that as he's shown at more places than Stoke. That's not entirely accurate. First, it seems harsh to say 'we didn't win promotion'. How do you get promoted from the Premier League? In his first two seasons we actually had the lowest net spend in the top flight and had one of the smaller wage budgets. That 'solidly grown Christmas tree' had failed to win 78% of its league fixtures in the preceding months, had won three times in the previous three months, and were chucking pig's heads at each other and bricking each other's car windows. Hughes deserves plenty of flak for making such a cock of things but it's not fair or accurate to downplay his initial impact. Initial impact possibly. However whatever you may say about Pulis's final season (and I was also amongst those who thought his time was up when he departed) he left the club in a far better position in every respect than it was when he joined. By contrast we're still picking up the pieces from Hughes legacy.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 4, 2018 9:36:31 GMT
That's not entirely accurate. First, it seems harsh to say 'we didn't win promotion'. How do you get promoted from the Premier League? In his first two seasons we actually had the lowest net spend in the top flight and had one of the smaller wage budgets. That 'solidly grown Christmas tree' had failed to win 78% of its league fixtures in the preceding months, had won three times in the previous three months, and were chucking pig's heads at each other and bricking each other's car windows. Hughes deserves plenty of flak for making such a cock of things but it's not fair or accurate to downplay his initial impact. Initial impact possibly. However whatever you may say about Pulis's final season (and I was also amongst those who thought his time was up when he departed) he left the club in a far better position in every respect than it was when he joined. By contrast we're still picking up the pieces from Hughes legacy. He left us in a better position than when he arrived, yeah. He also took us backwards from where we'd been a couple of seasons previously for no good reason. The only difference was that he was sacked at the right time and Hughes was allowed to continue too long. Also there's no 'possibly' about it. For his first 2.5 years he did a really good job. Plenty of managers walk into more solid set-ups (ie ones that hadn't failed to win all but three games over the preceding five months and were riven with division in the dressing room) and completely squander that inheritance. Hughes took it further than it had previously been in the Premier League era. He cocked it up spectacularly but it wasn't five years of relentless failure and shouldn't be painted as such.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2018 9:45:28 GMT
What attributes does Hughes bring to management ? Good coach ? No, let's others do the coaching. Motivator ? Standing on the touchline with his arms spread seems to be his limits. Spotting talent ? For every Kompany there's 2 Wimmers I honestly don't see what he offers. Can't organise a team, doesn't coach and half the time the players don't seem bothered.
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Post by werrington on Dec 4, 2018 9:55:36 GMT
What attributes does Hughes bring to management ? Good coach ? No, let's others do the coaching. Motivator ? Standing on the touchline with his arms spread seems to be his limits. Spotting talent ? For every Kompany there's 2 Wimmers I honestly don't see what he offers. Can't organise a team, doesn't coach and half the time the players don't seem bothered. He’d completely lost the plot in those final 18 months and needed discarding well before he was but seriously mate what you’ve posted is utter nonsense Took over a poor free falling squad devoid of any pace or footballers, had a limited budget compared to his predecessor, played some of the best football we’ve seen, three 9th placed finishes, having a go at the “big boys” and a penalty kick away from a cup final after beating LIVERPOOL away Yeah he had no idea
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 4, 2018 10:07:00 GMT
What attributes does Hughes bring to management ? Good coach ? No, let's others do the coaching. Motivator ? Standing on the touchline with his arms spread seems to be his limits. Spotting talent ? For every Kompany there's 2 Wimmers I honestly don't see what he offers. Can't organise a team, doesn't coach and half the time the players don't seem bothered. He’d completely lost the plot in those final 18 months and needed discarding well before he was but seriously mate what you’ve posted is utter nonsense Took over a poor free falling squad devoid of any pace or footballers, had a limited budget compared to his predecessor, played some of the best football we’ve seen, three 9th placed finishes, having a go at the “big boys” and a penalty kick away from a cup final after beating LIVERPOOL away Yeah he had no idea Whilst I agree about the football we played mate for a short period of time the poster makes a lot of good points for me.Yes he had hardly any money to start with but thank god for that when you see what he did sign with money.Whether fans like it or not he built on a solid spine of a team which allowed him to bring in flair players on top of the solid base for me.I know you won’t agree but for me he was found wanting once he had to build a team around his own signings. I will never ever forgive him for the way he let this club go to ruin and in my opinion we’ll be in the championship wilderness for many a year because of him and his cronies.Any Chairman that goes near him now must want their head testing.
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Post by werrington on Dec 4, 2018 10:19:22 GMT
He’d completely lost the plot in those final 18 months and needed discarding well before he was but seriously mate what you’ve posted is utter nonsense Took over a poor free falling squad devoid of any pace or footballers, had a limited budget compared to his predecessor, played some of the best football we’ve seen, three 9th placed finishes, having a go at the “big boys” and a penalty kick away from a cup final after beating LIVERPOOL away Yeah he had no idea Whilst I agree about the football we played mate for a short period of time the poster makes a lot of good points for me.Yes he had hardly any money to start with but thank god for that when you see what he did sign with money.Whether fans like it or not he built on a solid spine of a team which allowed him to bring in flair players on top of the solid base for me.I know you won’t agree but for me he was found wanting once he had to build a team around his own signings. I will never ever forgive him for the way he let this club go to ruin and in my opinion we’ll be in the championship wilderness for many a year because of him and his cronies.Any Chairman that goes near him now must want their head testing. Another reason problems start is when the support “wants that little bit more” and become restless with £4-5m signings and demand the glamour boy and name players That was his downfall .....Brighton won’t be far behind mate
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Post by mrred on Dec 4, 2018 10:22:34 GMT
See a normal football club that means to stay in the Prem makes the move before Christmas and has the replacement recruited ahead of time and ready to put pen to paper... just makes our board last season feel even more of a bloody pantomime As for Sparky, I'm sorry but not surprised, he'd got on such a downward spiral of poor decisions and bad instincts with us that for his own sake he shouldn't have jumped straight into the next job - if he wants to get back to where he was at Stoke for the first 2.5 seasons he needs time out of the game again to regroup. Managers are allowed to get nervous exhaustion too, ok it's absurdly well paid but still a killer of a job. You must have missed the fact that he kept So'ton from getting relegated, i.e. he was at least for one day a hugely successful manager. He didn't need any batteries recharged for that. Anyway Hughes doesn't get exhausted from his one working day per week Out of the 4-5 clubs in trouble last season, he had the easiest time of it to keep a club up. West Brom were gone long before the end of the season, Swansea had self destructed and we were drowning after 18 months+ of Hughes mismanagement and a club in sleep mode. Southampton had a favorable run of fixtures and he managed scrape wins against Bournemouth and Swansea with a squad that was reasonably balanced. Sol frigging Campbell could have kept them up. Just like here, the groundwork of a fairly decent squad was already laid out for him (not forgetting he walked straight into a Semi Final).
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 4, 2018 10:35:35 GMT
Whilst I agree about the football we played mate for a short period of time the poster makes a lot of good points for me.Yes he had hardly any money to start with but thank god for that when you see what he did sign with money.Whether fans like it or not he built on a solid spine of a team which allowed him to bring in flair players on top of the solid base for me.I know you won’t agree but for me he was found wanting once he had to build a team around his own signings. I will never ever forgive him for the way he let this club go to ruin and in my opinion we’ll be in the championship wilderness for many a year because of him and his cronies.Any Chairman that goes near him now must want their head testing. Another reason problems start is when the support “wants that little bit more” and become restless with £4-5m signings and demand the glamour boy and name players That was his downfall .....Brighton won’t be far behind mate Yes you’re right mate and it could apply to a lot of clubs in the prem like you say.Thats why they should fuck the top 6 off and let everyone else get on with proper football and make it as competitive as the championship
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Post by ColonelMustard on Dec 4, 2018 10:55:20 GMT
Initial impact possibly. However whatever you may say about Pulis's final season (and I was also amongst those who thought his time was up when he departed) he left the club in a far better position in every respect than it was when he joined. By contrast we're still picking up the pieces from Hughes legacy. He left us in a better position than when he arrived, yeah. He also took us backwards from where we'd been a couple of seasons previously for no good reason. The only difference was that he was sacked at the right time and Hughes was allowed to continue too long. Also there's no 'possibly' about it. For his first 2.5 years he did a really good job. Plenty of managers walk into more solid set-ups (ie ones that hadn't failed to win all but three games over the preceding five months and were riven with division in the dressing room) and completely squander that inheritance. Hughes took it further than it had previously been in the Premier League era. He cocked it up spectacularly but it wasn't five years of relentless failure and shouldn't be painted as such. Pulis had lost it but left us in a great place to pick up relative to when he came, Hughes, not so much. Not at all in fact
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2018 11:03:50 GMT
That's not entirely accurate. First, it seems harsh to say 'we didn't win promotion'. How do you get promoted from the Premier League? In his first two seasons we actually had the lowest net spend in the top flight and had one of the smaller wage budgets. That 'solidly grown Christmas tree' had failed to win 78% of its league fixtures in the preceding months, had won three times in the previous three months, and were chucking pig's heads at each other and bricking each other's car windows. Hughes deserves plenty of flak for making such a cock of things but it's not fair or accurate to downplay his initial impact. Initial impact possibly. However whatever you may say about Pulis's final season (and I was also amongst those who thought his time was up when he departed) he left the club in a far better position in every respect than it was when he joined. By contrast we're still picking up the pieces from Hughes/Scholes/Cartwright legacy.Amended for you mate, can't pin it all on Hughes although the last 12 months particularly he completely ran out of ideas with the squad he had....
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Post by werrington on Dec 4, 2018 11:06:17 GMT
He left us in a better position than when he arrived, yeah. He also took us backwards from where we'd been a couple of seasons previously for no good reason. The only difference was that he was sacked at the right time and Hughes was allowed to continue too long. Also there's no 'possibly' about it. For his first 2.5 years he did a really good job. Plenty of managers walk into more solid set-ups (ie ones that hadn't failed to win all but three games over the preceding five months and were riven with division in the dressing room) and completely squander that inheritance. Hughes took it further than it had previously been in the Premier League era. He cocked it up spectacularly but it wasn't five years of relentless failure and shouldn't be painted as such. Pulis had lost it but left us in a great place to pick up relative to when he came, Hughes, not so much. Not at all in fact It’s a myth mate The squad was a pace less none footballing ramshackle when Hughes took over so he deserves huge credit Sadly it was just an utter shambles when Hughes left
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 4, 2018 11:09:14 GMT
We should have sacked him after the third season That smacks of being wise after the event. He was hardly going to get the sack after achieving three 9th place finishes. I posted on here after our 3rd 9th placed season that it was a retrogressive season, the second season at 9th place being acceptable due the very high number of injuries experienced. I was derided by other posters. His 4th season was clearly a marked deterioration and, in retrospect he should have been replaced at some point, but our league position was good up till March so he was unlikely to be sacked. Personally, I continued to back him as I felt he had credit in the bank from his first three seasons and deserved the chance to turn things round. He never did, so it was misplaced loyalty on my part, nevertheless he has lead Stoke through its best ever period in the top flight in English football in over 150 years, at a time when it was arguably most difficult to achieve. For that we should be grateful; it is doubtful it will ever be repeated again in the next 150 years. At least we do have Port Vale's record of being the club that has spent the most years in the football league and never been in the top flight.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 4, 2018 11:11:51 GMT
We should have sacked him after the third season That smacks of being wise after the event. He was hardly going to get the sack after achieving three 9th place finishes. I posted on here after our 3rd 9th placed season that it was a retrogressive season, the second season at 9th place being acceptable due the very high number of injuries experienced. I was derided by other posters. His 4th season was clearly a marked deterioration and, in retrospect he should have been replaced at some point, but our league position was good up till March so he was unlikely to be sacked. Personally, I continued to back him as I felt he had credit in the bank from his first three seasons and deserved the chance to turn things round. He never did, so it was misplaced loyalty on my part, nevertheless he has lead Stoke through its best ever period in the top flight in English football in over 150 years, at a time when it was arguably most difficult to achieve. For that we should be grateful; it is doubtful it will ever be repeated again in the next 150 years. At least we do have Port Vale's record of being the club that has spent the most years in the football league and never been in the top flight. He also left us in the biggest mess the club had been in for years
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Post by lordb on Dec 4, 2018 11:25:38 GMT
We should have sacked him after the third season That smacks of being wise after the event. He was hardly going to get the sack after achieving three 9th place finishes. I posted on here after our 3rd 9th placed season that it was a retrogressive season, the second season at 9th place being acceptable due the very high number of injuries experienced. I was derided by other posters. His 4th season was clearly a marked deterioration and, in retrospect he should have been replaced at some point, but our league position was good up till March so he was unlikely to be sacked. Personally, I continued to back him as I felt he had credit in the bank from his first three seasons and deserved the chance to turn things round. He never did, so it was misplaced loyalty on my part, nevertheless he has lead Stoke through its best ever period in the top flight in English football in over 150 years, at a time when it was arguably most difficult to achieve. For that we should be grateful; it is doubtful it will ever be repeated again in the next 150 years. At least we do have Port Vale's record of being the club that has spent the most years in the football league and never been in the top flight. Didn't know that about the Vale. Great fact.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 4, 2018 11:44:32 GMT
That smacks of being wise after the event. He was hardly going to get the sack after achieving three 9th place finishes. I posted on here after our 3rd 9th placed season that it was a retrogressive season, the second season at 9th place being acceptable due the very high number of injuries experienced. I was derided by other posters. His 4th season was clearly a marked deterioration and, in retrospect he should have been replaced at some point, but our league position was good up till March so he was unlikely to be sacked. Personally, I continued to back him as I felt he had credit in the bank from his first three seasons and deserved the chance to turn things round. He never did, so it was misplaced loyalty on my part, nevertheless he has lead Stoke through its best ever period in the top flight in English football in over 150 years, at a time when it was arguably most difficult to achieve. For that we should be grateful; it is doubtful it will ever be repeated again in the next 150 years. At least we do have Port Vale's record of being the club that has spent the most years in the football league and never been in the top flight. He also left us in the biggest mess the club had been in for years I can't disagree with that, but how much that is down to Hughes is open to debate. Clearly Hughes has blind spots when it comes to defending, but what fundamentally undermined him was the repeated loss of our best players (N'Zonzi, Arni), the failure to replace them, the crass signings of Imbula, Berahino (chased for 3 transfer windows!) and Wimmer, and the repeated ineffective striker loans (Bony, Jese). Clearly Hughes had a hand in those, but so did a number of other people at the club. It also fair to say he was unlucky with injuries (Huth, Bojan, Afellay, Butland - not the same players on return). He fixed the FB issues after he arrived (Pieters, Bardsley,Johnson) but failed to replace them in good time, as was the case with generally aging players. I am not Hughes agent(!) or trying to do a whitewash, but it is a fact (see graph on attached link) that our points per game deteriorated after he left. www.soccerstats.com/team.asp?league=england_2018&stats=10-stoke-cityHughes clearly leaves a bitter taste in a lot of fans mouths, but I think in time they might come to reflect that it wasn't all bad.
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Post by realstokebloke on Dec 4, 2018 11:47:27 GMT
We should have sacked him after the third season That smacks of being wise after the event. He was hardly going to get the sack after achieving three 9th place finishes. I posted on here after our 3rd 9th placed season that it was a retrogressive season, the second season at 9th place being acceptable due the very high number of injuries experienced. I was derided by other posters. His 4th season was clearly a marked deterioration and, in retrospect he should have been replaced at some point, but our league position was good up till March so he was unlikely to be sacked. Personally, I continued to back him as I felt he had credit in the bank from his first three seasons and deserved the chance to turn things round. He never did, so it was misplaced loyalty on my part, nevertheless he has lead Stoke through its best ever period in the top flight in English football in over 150 years, at a time when it was arguably most difficult to achieve. For that we should be grateful; it is doubtful it will ever be repeated again in the next 150 years. At least we do have Port Vale's record of being the club that has spent the most years in the football league and never been in the top flight. Very true Mr C.
Thinking back, I also gave him more credit in the bank than he perhaps deserved.
The shame, from that point on though, was that:
1. he made such an utter Horlicks of it (for no obvious reason to the extent that you actually have to speculate that the 'good' period was more luck than judgement), especially when the foundations for really good things & even the 'next level' (whatever that is) seemed to be in situ
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2. that the board indulged him, could not see the obvious unfolding right in front of them and dithered far too long with catastrophic results.
The worry herein is that we don't seem to be learning the lessons.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2018 11:52:04 GMT
What attributes does Hughes bring to management ? Good coach ? No, let's others do the coaching. Motivator ? Standing on the touchline with his arms spread seems to be his limits. Spotting talent ? For every Kompany there's 2 Wimmers I honestly don't see what he offers. Can't organise a team, doesn't coach and half the time the players don't seem bothered. He’d completely lost the plot in those final 18 months and needed discarding well before he was but seriously mate what you’ve posted is utter nonsense Took over a poor free falling squad devoid of any pace or footballers, had a limited budget compared to his predecessor, played some of the best football we’ve seen, three 9th placed finishes, having a go at the “big boys” and a penalty kick away from a cup final after beating LIVERPOOL away Yeah he had no idea What are his attributes ?
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Post by realstokebloke on Dec 4, 2018 11:57:12 GMT
He also left us in the biggest mess the club had been in for years I can't disagree with that, but how much that is down to Hughes is open to debate. Clearly Hughes has blind spots when it comes to defending, but what fundamentally undermined him was the repeated loss of our best players (N'Zonzi, Arni), the failure to replace them, the crass signings of Imbula, Berahino (chased for 3 transfer windows!) and Wimmer, and the repeated ineffective striker loans (Bony, Jese). Clearly Hughes had a hand in those, but so did a number of other people at the club. It also fair to say he was unlucky with injuries (Huth, Bojan, Afellay, Butland - not the same players on return). He fixed the FB issues after he arrived (Pieters, Bardsley,Johnson) but failed to replace them in good time, as was the case with generally aging players. I am not Hughes agent(!) or trying to do a whitewash, but it is a fact (see graph on attached link) that our points per game deteriorated after he left. www.soccerstats.com/team.asp?league=england_2018&stats=10-stoke-cityHughes clearly leaves a bitter taste in a lot of fans mouths, but I think in time they might come to reflect that it wasn't all bad. Yup, transfers were ultimately his Achilles heel as you say.
That said, we will never know the answer to who actually did what to end up with the disasters we did.
And, as per my point in the post above, certain fingers that were in the (pizza?) pie at the time, remain - which is a massive worry to me going forward.
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Post by starkiller on Dec 4, 2018 12:10:54 GMT
£18 million in compensation. I hate football.
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