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Post by Seymour Beaver on Dec 3, 2018 16:37:29 GMT
Sorry chap I can't let that one go unchallenged. Hughes was NOT one of our all time best managers. He won us neither promotion nor silverware. Yes there was a period of attractive football but there was also a period of relentless thwackings against pretty much anyone in the top 6. Hughes came into the club at the time that it was receiving the most generous funding in it's entire history and attached a few sparkling baubles to a solidly grown Christmas Tree. When that tree started to rot knew nothing about how to fix it. A great manager can put together more than one squad (as amongst your "greats" Pulis did for survival, promotion, and survival a division up, and Waddington did for the 60's and again for the 70's). Hughes hasn't got a clue how to do that as he's shown at more places than Stoke. I accept the challenge. Other than the names I mentioned there is no Stoke manager achieved a consistent level of performance by Stoke in the top flight of English football, arguably at a time that is more difficult than at any time in history. Clearly it went pear shaped in the end, which seems to have left you very bitter. People look back on the Waddington era today with fond memories, forgetting how unpopular he was constantly signing has-beens in the second half of the 60s. I'm sure 40 years from now today's young people will look back at the past decade and have fond memories of the players and some of the performances under Hughes. To say he hasn't got a clue is very unfair. His record stands comparison with any British club manager in recent years; please read the following: www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/southampton/feature/a-closer-look-at-mark-hughes-premier-league-record_343219.htmlI also think Pulis' era is greater than Hughes, but you are wrong to suggest things were solid under Pulis. He too had clearly lost the plot and the team form during the last 6 months of Pulis' era was in free fall. Memories are short but surely you remember we were devoid of full-backs and only 3 wins in Pulis' last 19 matches was nailed on relegation form, hardly a solid grown Christmas tree. It was Hughes who got Whelan and N'Zonzi playing to their full potential, instead of hugging their own penalty area, and brought in baubles like Pieters, Muniesa, and Odemwingie to replace Upson, Whitehead and Jones. We'll have to agree to differ. But that doesn't make me bitter about Hughes. Like most people (including you I would suggest) my biggest gripe is that he stayed as long as he did - and that's the fault of his employers not him. My issue is that anyone should view him as a "great" manager in any context. He did ok at Blackburn I grant you - but blowing £150m at Manchester City (at a time when £10m was a still a big signing)on players like Santa Cruz, Robhino, Shaun Wright-Phillips, Wayne Bridge and Jo showed portents of some of his recruitment to come. That he re-signed a number of them at QPR showed he is incapable of learning from mistakes and effectively relegated them before Christmas. And lest we forget he's just been sacked twice in the same calendar year No manager is perfect but Waddingtons and Pulis's time compare - both were in many ways mavericks. Both divided opinion and both ended on a sour note - but their achievements over the lengthy periods at the at the club from the brink of relegation to the third tier to solid performances in the Top League and a cup final appearances are both "great" contributions. Hughes comes nowhere near that.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 3, 2018 16:59:52 GMT
He was a decent manager in the premier league but just like Mourinho etc managers have their sell by date.
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Post by soulsurvivor on Dec 3, 2018 17:28:41 GMT
I hate him for not being good enough to get 40 points in a season to keep us up, I dislike him even more for trying to play a wingback system......with no wingbacks, CLEARLY a cock and I wish him no future success
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 17:31:25 GMT
I accept the challenge. Other than the names I mentioned there is no Stoke manager achieved a consistent level of performance by Stoke in the top flight of English football, arguably at a time that is more difficult than at any time in history. Clearly it went pear shaped in the end, which seems to have left you very bitter. People look back on the Waddington era today with fond memories, forgetting how unpopular he was constantly signing has-beens in the second half of the 60s. I'm sure 40 years from now today's young people will look back at the past decade and have fond memories of the players and some of the performances under Hughes. To say he hasn't got a clue is very unfair. His record stands comparison with any British club manager in recent years; please read the following: www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/southampton/feature/a-closer-look-at-mark-hughes-premier-league-record_343219.htmlI also think Pulis' era is greater than Hughes, but you are wrong to suggest things were solid under Pulis. He too had clearly lost the plot and the team form during the last 6 months of Pulis' era was in free fall. Memories are short but surely you remember we were devoid of full-backs and only 3 wins in Pulis' last 19 matches was nailed on relegation form, hardly a solid grown Christmas tree. It was Hughes who got Whelan and N'Zonzi playing to their full potential, instead of hugging their own penalty area, and brought in baubles like Pieters, Muniesa, and Odemwingie to replace Upson, Whitehead and Jones. We'll have to agree to differ. But that doesn't make me bitter about Hughes. Like most people (including you I would suggest) my biggest gripe is that he stayed as long as he did - and that's the fault of his employers not him. My issue is that anyone should view him as a "great" manager in any context. He did ok at Blackburn I grant you - but blowing £150m at Manchester City (at a time when £10m was a still a big signing)on players like Santa Cruz, Robhino, Shaun Wright-Phillips, Wayne Bridge and Jo showed portents of some of his recruitment to come. That he re-signed a number of them at QPR showed he is incapable of learning from mistakes and effectively relegated them before Christmas. And lest we forget he's just been sacked twice in the same calendar year No manager is perfect but Waddingtons and Pulis's time compare - both were in many ways mavericks. Both divided opinion and both ended on a sour note - but their achievements over the lengthy periods at the at the club from the brink of relegation to the third tier to solid performances in the Top League and a cup final appearances are both "great" contributions. Hughes comes nowhere near that. He also signed Zabaleta, Kompany, Tevez, Barry, Kolo Touré, Lescott and the like who went on to win the FA Cup and in some cases to be the bedrock of their success. And Robinho 100% wasn’t his signing. But you’re also correct there is some money really wasted there as well.....
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 3, 2018 17:33:55 GMT
We'll have to agree to differ. But that doesn't make me bitter about Hughes. Like most people (including you I would suggest) my biggest gripe is that he stayed as long as he did - and that's the fault of his employers not him. My issue is that anyone should view him as a "great" manager in any context. He did ok at Blackburn I grant you - but blowing £150m at Manchester City (at a time when £10m was a still a big signing)on players like Santa Cruz, Robhino, Shaun Wright-Phillips, Wayne Bridge and Jo showed portents of some of his recruitment to come. That he re-signed a number of them at QPR showed he is incapable of learning from mistakes and effectively relegated them before Christmas. And lest we forget he's just been sacked twice in the same calendar year No manager is perfect but Waddingtons and Pulis's time compare - both were in many ways mavericks. Both divided opinion and both ended on a sour note - but their achievements over the lengthy periods at the at the club from the brink of relegation to the third tier to solid performances in the Top League and a cup final appearances are both "great" contributions. Hughes comes nowhere near that. He also signed Zabaleta, Kompany, Tevez, Barry, Kolo Touré, Lescott and the like who went on to win the FA Cup and in some cases to be the bedrock of their success. And Robinho 100% wasn’t his signing. But you’re also correct there is some money really wasted there as well..... I don't think Jo was his either. He was lined up before they'd sacked Sven.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 17:35:57 GMT
He also signed Zabaleta, Kompany, Tevez, Barry, Kolo Touré, Lescott and the like who went on to win the FA Cup and in some cases to be the bedrock of their success. And Robinho 100% wasn’t his signing. But you’re also correct there is some money really wasted there as well..... I don't think Jo was his either. He was lined up before they'd sacked Sven. I also thought Santa Cruz would be a great signing for Man City but they replaced his tendons with cheese strings during his medical......
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Post by march4 on Dec 3, 2018 17:44:17 GMT
Awful, awful manager.
Two years too late he has probably now gone into enforced retirement.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Dec 3, 2018 18:05:21 GMT
Ralph Hasenhutl agrees in principle to succeed Mark Hughes at Southampton.
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Post by wirralstokie on Dec 3, 2018 18:17:04 GMT
Happy days that twat has been stealing a living for the last four years
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Post by thevoid on Dec 3, 2018 18:33:14 GMT
I'd be tempted to lose a few games on the trot for a pay out like that wouldn't you??? I wonder if that's ever happened....?
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Post by toppercorner on Dec 3, 2018 18:53:35 GMT
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Post by jarvinski on Dec 3, 2018 19:12:44 GMT
The bastard is a multi millionaire made by incomptensy, makes my fucking blood boil
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Post by stokie23 on Dec 3, 2018 19:18:28 GMT
The cost of failure....not bad ay
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Post by RAF on Dec 3, 2018 19:32:14 GMT
The bastard is a multi millionaire made by incomptensy, makes my fucking blood boil Ironic H :)
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Post by lordb on Dec 3, 2018 19:38:34 GMT
Ralph Hasenhutl agrees in principle to succeed Mark Hughes at Southampton. He was a key part of the Leipzig success story.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 3, 2018 19:43:09 GMT
Where will he go next?
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Post by mermaidsal on Dec 3, 2018 19:58:16 GMT
See a normal football club that means to stay in the Prem makes the move before Christmas and has the replacement recruited ahead of time and ready to put pen to paper... just makes our board last season feel even more of a bloody pantomime As for Sparky, I'm sorry but not surprised, he'd got on such a downward spiral of poor decisions and bad instincts with us that for his own sake he shouldn't have jumped straight into the next job - if he wants to get back to where he was at Stoke for the first 2.5 seasons he needs time out of the game again to regroup. Managers are allowed to get nervous exhaustion too, ok it's absurdly well paid but still a killer of a job.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 3, 2018 20:02:19 GMT
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Post by robboleek on Dec 3, 2018 20:07:42 GMT
Home hopefully to never leave the house..... ever again
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Post by loosestools on Dec 3, 2018 20:09:05 GMT
Im just having a smug whiskey at the news that, the smug arrogant incompetent twat has had the sack. He may have got a load of dosh but that means nothing when a large proportion of the country think you are a useless object who has milked the system. I give stuff to the local food bank as there are people worse off than me, I wonder if he will donate anything to anybody. Rant over.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 21:09:11 GMT
Hated Hughes for what he did to us
Hope he never gets another job
HE DOESNT DESERVE A JOB - HE CANT MANAGE
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 21:24:07 GMT
The bastard is a multi millionaire made by incomptensy, makes my fucking blood boil Some of it was down to him being an absolutely superb striker playing at the highest level as well.....
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rhub
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Post by rhub on Dec 3, 2018 21:33:40 GMT
Just not not premier league manager fair and simple. Would he take a championship job? Probably hold out for desperate premier league club won’t he.
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Post by eastyorksexile on Dec 3, 2018 21:41:49 GMT
He’s another one who falls into the category of great footballer but shit manager......
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Post by henry on Dec 3, 2018 21:44:12 GMT
Barbados to count his fucking money.
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banksie66
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So that's two Prawn Goebels, A Herman Goerring and a Colditz Salad
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Post by banksie66 on Dec 3, 2018 21:52:19 GMT
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Post by saintquin on Dec 3, 2018 21:59:41 GMT
Don't think Saints will pay all the money in one go. Would expect he'll get paid his usual monthly pay until he gets another job. Well I would hope so!
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Post by Dr Hesham on Dec 3, 2018 22:54:10 GMT
He destroyed them same as what he did with Stoke last year.
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 3, 2018 23:07:07 GMT
We'll have to agree to differ. But that doesn't make me bitter about Hughes. Like most people (including you I would suggest) my biggest gripe is that he stayed as long as he did - and that's the fault of his employers not him. My issue is that anyone should view him as a "great" manager in any context. He did ok at Blackburn I grant you - but blowing £150m at Manchester City (at a time when £10m was a still a big signing)on players like Santa Cruz, Robhino, Shaun Wright-Phillips, Wayne Bridge and Jo showed portents of some of his recruitment to come. That he re-signed a number of them at QPR showed he is incapable of learning from mistakes and effectively relegated them before Christmas. And lest we forget he's just been sacked twice in the same calendar year No manager is perfect but Waddingtons and Pulis's time compare - both were in many ways mavericks. Both divided opinion and both ended on a sour note - but their achievements over the lengthy periods at the at the club from the brink of relegation to the third tier to solid performances in the Top League and a cup final appearances are both "great" contributions. Hughes comes nowhere near that. He also signed Zabaleta, Kompany, Tevez, Barry, Kolo Touré, Lescott and the like who went on to win the FA Cup and in some cases to be the bedrock of their success. And Robinho 100% wasn’t his signing. But you’re also correct there is some money really wasted there as well..... I'd like to point out that there is no such thing as a manager who has not wasted his club's money on poor signings.
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 3, 2018 23:08:42 GMT
See a normal football club that means to stay in the Prem makes the move before Christmas and has the replacement recruited ahead of time and ready to put pen to paper... just makes our board last season feel even more of a bloody pantomime As for Sparky, I'm sorry but not surprised, he'd got on such a downward spiral of poor decisions and bad instincts with us that for his own sake he shouldn't have jumped straight into the next job - if he wants to get back to where he was at Stoke for the first 2.5 seasons he needs time out of the game again to regroup. Managers are allowed to get nervous exhaustion too, ok it's absurdly well paid but still a killer of a job. We were not in the bottom 3 though
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