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Post by KevinWhimper on Nov 29, 2018 11:25:57 GMT
Not sure if anyone picked up on Rowett's comments before the game but he'd mentioned that he'd asked the club about the possibility of moving the away end as it's quite obviously in a fucking wank position. Hopefully there's some legs in this and can be raised at the next supporters council thingy?
About fucking time if true. Fingers crossed.
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Post by ursemboys on Nov 29, 2018 11:30:24 GMT
trouble is where do you move it to ? i would like see it in block 19,20,21 make the away end the home end which it should have been from day one ,the old boothen was that end so the new one should have been
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Nov 29, 2018 11:33:21 GMT
Been discussed for years, with the corner now connecting the South Stand and Family Stand I'm not sure that Police would be satisfied with moving the away end to the corner as I would personally prefer. I guess we could feasibly switch the position of the fans in the South Stand with away fans lefthand most (from the Boothen) starting from the corner. That would still provide a decent buffer and put our fans in front of the tunnel.
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Post by VolvicStokie on Nov 29, 2018 12:10:12 GMT
It 100% needs moving. Give them the new corner, and the buffer of where our current lot are. You then move all of our fans across, thus creating a much better atmosphere all round.
It's not hard to police at all, 2 lines of stewards and a few railings, nothing is going to happen.
Family part could be basically moved to the block by the tunnel.
Simple really.
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Post by stokeson on Nov 29, 2018 12:26:40 GMT
the problem is the coach park . no way of moving that.
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Post by lordb on Nov 29, 2018 12:32:54 GMT
the answer is to build new dressing rooms (& a new tunnel) in the Northwest corner instead.
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Post by mrred on Nov 29, 2018 12:33:46 GMT
the problem is the coach park . no way of moving that. Thing is, we're in 2018. How many other clubs no longer gate the away fans away like fucking cattle? I've been to my fair share of away grounds over the years and I've never experienced any trouble walking through masses of home fans, with or without 'colours' on. There's no reason they couldn't just park up on there or along the front of the main stand and walk to wherever the new away section would be. The majority of fans that want to kick off come on train or car anyway so they're already walking through home fans. It's an utterly bizarre place to house away fans and always has been. They'd have to update the facilities in the away end though, it's like a fucking prison in there. |
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Post by danceswithclams on Nov 29, 2018 13:03:08 GMT
trouble is where do you move it to ? Burslem. |
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Nov 29, 2018 13:08:43 GMT
Not sure if anyone picked up on Rowett's comments before the game but he'd mentioned that he'd asked the club about the possibility of moving the away end as it's quite obviously in a fucking wank position. Hopefully there's some legs in this and can be raised at the next supporters council thingy? About fucking time if true. Fingers crossed. Maybe Rowett's not the Numpty he pretends to be if he's spotted this after only 6 months in the job. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 13:14:47 GMT
Leave it where it is.
I know it's shit for the occasional red card victim, but the coach park and cage that away fans are inside is a very good set up. Better than we see at away grounds.
Better to move the tunnel / changing rooms. Stick that in the corner between main and boothen.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 29, 2018 13:15:29 GMT
the answer is to build new dressing rooms (& a new tunnel) in the Northwest corner instead. Spot on. I have been saying that for years. I realise that the corner they developed two years ago was chosen because it was the cheapest to complete - but the best corner to complete in terms of improving the stadium was the north West corner. It has a bigger floor plan and would be taller so it could accommodate at least the same number of spectators as the corner they did build PLUS changing rooms PLUS tunnel and probably boxes/balconies for players' wives and family members. Hopefully they will eventually do it if we get back to the Prem and grow the fan base. |
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 29, 2018 13:30:46 GMT
the problem is the coach park . no way of moving that. It’s just a bit of tarmac,a ramp & bolting down some fences. Any clampit could fix that job... |
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Post by bhp on Nov 29, 2018 13:53:34 GMT
the problem is the coach park . no way of moving that. It’s just a bit of tarmac,a ramp & bolting down some fences. Any clampit could fix that job... Can't if there's no space. Like behind the new corner. No other feasible position to put away fans apart from where they currently are. |
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Post by mrred on Nov 29, 2018 13:59:06 GMT
It’s just a bit of tarmac,a ramp & bolting down some fences. Any clampit could fix that job... Can't if there's no space. Like behind the new corner. No other feasible position to put away fans apart from where they currently are. Disagree. Maybe if we didn't treat away fans like feral, rabid animals (and home fans like terrorists), they'd realise that fans can filter through to the correct stands without everyone having a meltdown. Remove the 'safety net' of gates and I can guarantee that home and away fans wouldn't goad each other like they do now at the back of the south stand before matches and at half time. It's only because there's a barrier that people feel safe to give it the ten men attitude. I haven't been away yet this season but what's the away sections like at other grounds these days? |
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Post by neworleanstokie on Nov 29, 2018 15:58:37 GMT
the problem is the coach park . no way of moving that. Thing is, we're in 2018. How many other clubs no longer gate the away fans away like fucking cattle? I've been to my fair share of away grounds over the years and I've never experienced any trouble walking through masses of home fans, with or without 'colours' on. There's no reason they couldn't just park up on there or along the front of the main stand and walk to wherever the new away section would be. The majority of fans that want to kick off come on train or car anyway so they're already walking through home fans. It's an utterly bizarre place to house away fans and always has been. They'd have to update the facilities in the away end though, it's like a fucking prison in there. Add to that be able to take a beer to your seat! I can do that at any other global sporting event I attend NFL, NHL, NBA, MLS, Boxing etc. etc. |
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Post by steino1966 on Nov 29, 2018 16:37:54 GMT
They really need to look into it and possibly rejig the stadium - something for the Supporters Council to discuss.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Nov 29, 2018 19:53:29 GMT
Thing is, we're in 2018. How many other clubs no longer gate the away fans away like fucking cattle? I've been to my fair share of away grounds over the years and I've never experienced any trouble walking through masses of home fans, with or without 'colours' on. There's no reason they couldn't just park up on there or along the front of the main stand and walk to wherever the new away section would be. The majority of fans that want to kick off come on train or car anyway so they're already walking through home fans. It's an utterly bizarre place to house away fans and always has been. They'd have to update the facilities in the away end though, it's like a fucking prison in there. Add to that be able to take a beer to your seat! I can do that at any other global sporting event I attend NFL, NHL, NBA, MLS, Boxing etc. etc. Hear, hear. I had the temerity to want to get my dads attention (we’d travelled separately and he’d gone to his seat) to let him know I was there and having a pie and a pint if he wanted to join me. I explained the situation to the steward (who frankly looked embarrassed) but there wasn’t a hope in hell of him letting me through. He ‘saved’ my beer on the floor behind the door for the 8secs it took to grab my dad - nice. This together with the frankly semi-erotic half-arsed pat-down I receive on entry does nothing to make me feel like a valued customer who pumps a fair few grand into the club every year. Treat both us and ‘visiting supporters, visiting supporters’ like humans and we might just act like humans. |
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Post by sportsman on Nov 29, 2018 19:59:27 GMT
Move them out the way somewhere, anywhere, and make the family stand a third of the size. I'm sick of seeing it empty even if the rest is packed.
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 29, 2018 20:17:22 GMT
We're not going to move the whole away section and rejig all the STs/seating/stewarding/concourse/parking etc etc etc just so our players aren't walking out next to the away fans.
If it's really a problem, the easiest and cheapest solution *by far* is to extend the collapsible extending bit of the tunnel up the touchline to the halfway line. We could have that done for the next home game probably.
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Post by neworleanstokie on Nov 29, 2018 20:19:53 GMT
Add to that be able to take a beer to your seat! I can do that at any other global sporting event I attend NFL, NHL, NBA, MLS, Boxing etc. etc. Hear, hear. I had the temerity to want to get my dads attention (we’d travelled separately and he’d gone to his seat) to let him know I was there and having a pie and a pint if he wanted to join me. I explained the situation to the steward (who frankly looked embarrassed) but there wasn’t a hope in hell of him letting me through. He ‘saved’ my beer on the floor behind the door for the 8secs it took to grab my dad - nice. This together with the frankly semi-erotic half-arsed pat-down I receive on entry does nothing to make me feel like a valued customer who pumps a fair few grand into the club every year. Treat both us and ‘visiting supporters, visiting supporters’ like humans and we might just act like humans. Couldn't agree more stigg - I grew up watching us play in the early 80s at the Vic. Now coming back in my early 50's it's like time stood still! I've posted many times in the past about the overall experience of attending a match - so, so much could be improved and brought up to date. |
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Post by stiggerstackle on Nov 29, 2018 20:25:36 GMT
Hear, hear. I had the temerity to want to get my dads attention (we’d travelled separately and he’d gone to his seat) to let him know I was there and having a pie and a pint if he wanted to join me. I explained the situation to the steward (who frankly looked embarrassed) but there wasn’t a hope in hell of him letting me through. He ‘saved’ my beer on the floor behind the door for the 8secs it took to grab my dad - nice. This together with the frankly semi-erotic half-arsed pat-down I receive on entry does nothing to make me feel like a valued customer who pumps a fair few grand into the club every year. Treat both us and ‘visiting supporters, visiting supporters’ like humans and we might just act like humans. Couldn't agree more stigg - I grew up watching us play in the early 80s at the Vic. Now coming back in my early 50's it's like time stood still! I've posted many times in the past about the overall experience of attending a match - so, so much could be improved and brought up to date. Totally agree Neworleans - I’m about 5 years behind you but share the same memories. Football is the only sport / business that treats its main assets like scum and somehow get away with it year on year. |
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Post by danceswithclams on Nov 29, 2018 20:31:23 GMT
We're not going to move the whole away section and rejig all the STs/seating/stewarding/concourse/parking etc etc etc just so our players aren't walking out next to the away fans. If it's really a problem, the easiest and cheapest solution *by far* is to extend the collapsible extending bit of the tunnel up the touchline to the halfway line. We could have that done for the next home game probably. Hahaha... That'd be fucking hilarious, watching some wheezing stewards unravelling a gigantic polyurethane caterpillar half way on to the pitch. They'd have to start doing it about half an hour before kick-off! |
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Post by march4 on Nov 29, 2018 20:38:13 GMT
The solution is new dressing rooms at the opposite end of the new stand.
This will also make the 4th corner look more complete.
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 29, 2018 20:45:06 GMT
We're not going to move the whole away section and rejig all the STs/seating/stewarding/concourse/parking etc etc etc just so our players aren't walking out next to the away fans. If it's really a problem, the easiest and cheapest solution *by far* is to extend the collapsible extending bit of the tunnel up the touchline to the halfway line. We could have that done for the next home game probably. Hahaha... That'd be fucking hilarious, watching some wheezing stewards unravelling a gigantic polyurethane caterpillar half way on to the pitch. They'd have to start doing it about half an hour before kick-off! Haha, I'm sure we can shell out for a little electric motor for them  |
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Post by jarhead on Nov 29, 2018 21:09:13 GMT
trouble is where do you move it to ? i would like see it in block 19,20,21 make the away end the home end which it should have been from day one ,the old boothen was that end so the new one should have been 100% agree A fuck up from day one |
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Post by Gods on Nov 29, 2018 21:54:33 GMT
How would moving the away area help us?
Is the concern that the players enter and leave the field adjacent to the away fans? I'm not sure why that is a problem. The upside is that as you enter the field of play and look around its Stoke fans to left and right and in front as far as the eye can see. (Actually its mostly lots of empty plastic seats at the moment since we went down but you get the idea.)
Given the away fans have to be somewhere its not clear to me why its better that that somewhere is somewhere other than where they are today?
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Nov 30, 2018 8:51:49 GMT
Despite having very wealthy owners were now operating on a championship budget - so I can't see the board sanctioning an expensive dressing room relocation to another corner.
The cheapest option would be to buy a new flexible tunnel which leads more directly up the touchline which could be longer than the one we have now so the players aren't walking out directly next to the away fans.
The tunnel could be clear on the side nearest to the stoke fans so stokie can still see the players but coloured as it is now on the other side so away fans aren't visible. Nd by the time players leave the longer tunnel onto the pitch there half way up the touchline.
Simples and cheap...I can see at Peter liking this option😁
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Post by Veritas on Nov 30, 2018 9:03:13 GMT
How would moving the away area help us? Is the concern that the players enter and leave the field adjacent to the away fans? I'm not sure why that is a problem. The upside is that as you enter the field of play and look around its Stoke fans to left and right and in front as far as the eye can see. (Actually its mostly lots of empty plastic seats at the moment since we went down but you get the idea.) Given the away fans have to be somewhere its not clear to me why its better that that somewhere is somewhere other than where they are today? Exactly this is a non story which periodically keeps raising its pointless head |
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Post by ursemboys on Nov 30, 2018 9:03:43 GMT
How would moving the away area help us? Is the concern that the players enter and leave the field adjacent to the away fans? I'm not sure why that is a problem. The upside is that as you enter the field of play and look around its Stoke fans to left and right and in front as far as the eye can see. (Actually its mostly lots of empty plastic seats at the moment since we went down but you get the idea.) Given the away fans have to be somewhere its not clear to me why its better that that somewhere is somewhere other than where they are today? I think its more about the noise the away fans make than the visual aspect that Rowett was referring to ,when you watch the sky matches you can her them clearly above the stoke fans |
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Post by ursemboys on Nov 30, 2018 9:04:53 GMT
How would moving the away area help us? Is the concern that the players enter and leave the field adjacent to the away fans? I'm not sure why that is a problem. The upside is that as you enter the field of play and look around its Stoke fans to left and right and in front as far as the eye can see. (Actually its mostly lots of empty plastic seats at the moment since we went down but you get the idea.) Given the away fans have to be somewhere its not clear to me why its better that that somewhere is somewhere other than where they are today? Exactly this is a non story which periodically keeps raising its pointless head why comment on it then ,just read past it |
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