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Post by Waggy on Oct 30, 2018 17:44:06 GMT
I don't agree with him doing this if he plays in England but this is my opinion and hope the fans can understand
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Oct 30, 2018 17:48:00 GMT
It shouldn't even require a statement, in my opinion.
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Post by heworksardtho on Oct 30, 2018 17:50:11 GMT
We should have saved the 6 million and donated it to the poopy appeal Sounds messy..... Lol predictive txt 😂😂😂
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2018 17:53:20 GMT
A position FULLY SUPPORTED by the Royal British Legion.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2018 17:59:03 GMT
Because the wearing of Poppies on the shirt is an action taken by the club on a unilateral basis and not, one presumes written into his contract. If he'd have been playing 15 years ago, this never would have been an issue because they weren't on the shirts. That's not to say I disagree with wearing them on the shirts, it's a lovely touch. But ultimately they're there to play football and the poppy like in everyday life is an option, not compulsory. No one else in any other job would refuse to work if their employer issued an optional poppy wearing, they just wouldn't wear one, so why should he make himself unavailable? I pretty much agree but the club, like other clubs, are supporting the Poppy appeal, which includes adding the poppy to the company uniform. For one individual, who we are told feels so strongly about the subject, we have to start issuing public statements about him not wearing one. I'm afraid it IS a big issue, hence the statements, and this bloke is bringing unwanted publicity to a good club. It's only a big issue because a handful of folk like you make it one
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Post by bobby1eye on Oct 30, 2018 18:08:03 GMT
I'll be more pissed off if he's on the pitch, couldn't care less about him not wearing a poppy. I wish he wasn't wearing our top to begin with.
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Post by juiceandbits on Oct 30, 2018 18:09:12 GMT
Anyone who doesn't think the'll be a few boos/chants on Saturday is kidding themselves.
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Post by ratters on Oct 30, 2018 18:16:11 GMT
Anyone who doesn't think the'll be a few boos/chants on Saturday is kidding themselves. And any that boo or chant are as bad as him then surely? as they in effect are trying to force an opinion on someone else by not respecting his decision. In the same manner as if the club refused him to play they would be breaking employment law as something such as the wearing of the poppy can not be mandated by any employer.
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Oct 30, 2018 18:18:46 GMT
I'll be more pissed off if he's on the pitch, couldn't care less about him not wearing a poppy. I wish he wasn't wearing our top to begin with. This is certainly more of an issue as far as I'm concerned.....
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Post by salopstick on Oct 30, 2018 18:19:29 GMT
TRBL has had to be very careful with their publicity over recent years due to things like white poppies, student unions and a minority poppy burning hence their statements on not remembering.
McLean is a hyopcrite. He can do what he wants but he’s a hypocrite all the same.
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Post by redwhitesingfight on Oct 30, 2018 18:24:15 GMT
I’m sure it’s been said but soldiers throughout our history have fought in the main to preserve freedom. Those that bait and ridicule McLean should think a little. He can do what he wishes.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Oct 30, 2018 18:27:04 GMT
If the team is mandated to wear a poppy and he, as one member of that team refuses to do so, he does not belong in the team, so leave him out of it. I respect his right to veto wearing a poppy even though, as an ex serviceman of 23 and a half years service, two of which were in Northern Ireland in the very troublesome early 1970s, I don't like his stance. Is he making a political, or a religious point? If the latter, then he is just prolonging the idiocy of religion across the world. The team shouldn't be mandated to wear a poppy
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Oct 30, 2018 18:28:29 GMT
TRBL has had to be very careful with their publicity over recent years due to things like white poppies, student unions and a minority poppy burning hence their statements on not remembering. McLean is a hyopcrite. He can do what he wants but he’s a hypocrite all the same. why is he an hypocrite?
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Post by onefatcopper on Oct 30, 2018 18:29:28 GMT
When the holier than though begin their sermon about wearing a poppy in memory of the millions upon millions of lost or injured Servicemen & women from all sides, maybe they should take a look at their local War memorials. Every City, Town & even the smallest village has one or more. Take a look at the fallen names and ages , then just step back a bit further and look at what a absolute disgrace the majority of them are ! The once pristine stonework probably hasn’t been washed and brushed for years, the manicured gardens,borders & rockeries have been left and overgrown, protective ironwork barriers left to rust away ? And you think that howling at a man who is brave enough to stand up for his principles is a way of honouring the fallen ? It’s just over a week to the centenary of armistice day, so save your energy from heckling and booing, and get out and help to tidy up the memorials. p.s. Irishmen from both sides of the border have served with distinction in both wars, even though the republic is a neutral country. Disagree with your comment about the state of War Memorials. I have never seen one in anything but immaculate condition many taking center stage in communities proudly commemorating their losses in both world wars. They may be weather worn for sure but to say that the "majority of them are an absolute disgrace" is very disrespectful to the vast majority of communities who take pride in them. Agree with your sentiments regard McClean though. I don’t know where you live, and so I could not comment,and I agree that the majority of memorials situated in town centres or in prominent positions are immaculate. I hate to bring this up because it has religious connotations, War memorials are also found in church grounds, and as such the church is responsible for their care and maintenance ( ANY denomination) . As most people know that the Church are always pleading poverty, despite their hidden wealth and so a high proportion of memorials are left to aged family or friends for their upkeep. If the history of these memorials and those immortalised on them is not passed on, who’s going to look after them when these Good Samaritans pass on ?
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Post by ursemboys on Oct 30, 2018 18:39:04 GMT
Just wonder how many who will be booing or chanting at him will have a poppy on themselves ,I bet a fair few won't .
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 30, 2018 18:41:01 GMT
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Post by spiderpuss on Oct 30, 2018 18:41:12 GMT
Anyone who doesn't think the'll be a few boos/chants on Saturday is kidding themselves. And any that boo or chant are as bad as him then surely? as they in effect are trying to force an opinion on someone else by not respecting his decision. In the same manner as if the club refused him to play they would be breaking employment law as something such as the wearing of the poppy can not be mandated by any employer. It's a shame we had to sign such a divisive individual. It's hardly like his football has been up to scratch. For the record 35000 Irish died in WW1, perhaps James should think about that before getting uppety-tuppety about the British government.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Oct 30, 2018 18:44:18 GMT
Anyone who doesn't think the'll be a few boos/chants on Saturday is kidding themselves. And any that boo or chant are as bad as him then surely? as they in effect are trying to force an opinion on someone else by not respecting his decision. In the same manner as if the club refused him to play they would be breaking employment law as something such as the wearing of the poppy can not be mandated by any employer. That's absolute nonsense, freedom of speech does not entitle anyone to be free of any consequences of that speech. If McClean does not want to wear a poppy, it is the right of others to berate him for that decision. You can respect a right for someone to hold an opinion and show nothing but contempt and disdain for that opinion. That's not exclusive to the poppy, in any other walk of life you can hold zero respect for a point of view whilst recognising the right to express said opinion. That's not forcing anything on anyone like you seem to think, it's simple discourse.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2018 18:44:26 GMT
Anyone who doesn't think the'll be a few boos/chants on Saturday is kidding themselves. The only people who will be doing that are uneducated dickheads.
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Post by ProctorDre on Oct 30, 2018 18:45:13 GMT
His choice. My choice is to let him know that he is and never ever will be welcomed by me at Stoke City. If he scores I refuse to cheer, my choice. His political and cultural upbringing are based on hatred. I know that the British Government have been blood thirsty criminals for hundreds of years. Show me one Country where their Government does not have blood on its hands. His political beliefs are anti- british, but he takes money with a picture of Her Majesty printed all over it. He is a hypocrite of the worste kind. I never wanted him here for two reasons. 1) His political beliefs. 2) Awful player. I will be at the next match and i will show him the respect that he will show to the fallen heroes of past and present. Gary Rowett would be wise to not choose him to play. The media circus will unsettle the team and fans. Staffordshire has a glorious history ingrained with the British Military that every man, woman and child should be very,very proud of. Let him know then, go and wait for the players before or after a game and tell him. Or just you know, post on a message board that he’ll never read...
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Oct 30, 2018 18:46:12 GMT
I’m sure it’s been said but soldiers throughout our history have fought in the main to preserve freedom. Those that bait and ridicule McLean should think a little. He can do what he wishes. He is absolutely free to do what he wishes but that does not protect him from criticism, baiting or ridicule.
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Post by onefatcopper on Oct 30, 2018 18:51:54 GMT
It’s a very frightening thought, that someone listens to Talksport Drive, but I find it petrifying that someone actually Watches it !
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Post by zelem on Oct 30, 2018 18:55:27 GMT
Anyone who doesn't think the'll be a few boos/chants on Saturday is kidding themselves. The only people who will be doing that are uneducated dickheads. Obviously, as it’s them who are paying his wages !!
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Post by stokiejoe on Oct 30, 2018 19:03:45 GMT
The wearing of a poppy is a mark of respect to the fallen not only in the two world wars but several conflicts since.
It is and should be a free choice for those who believe in those things, as I do myself. However others have grown up in different circumstances and therefore understandably take a different view based on those experiences.
Freedom of speech and freedom of action is precious and no one should be forced into conforming.
Those that boo him are betraying those freedoms, we should agree to differ and no more.
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Post by redwhitesingfight on Oct 30, 2018 19:07:36 GMT
I’m sure it’s been said but soldiers throughout our history have fought in the main to preserve freedom. Those that bait and ridicule McLean should think a little. He can do what he wishes. He is absolutely free to do what he wishes but that does not protect him from criticism, baiting or ridicule. Yes your right. The freedom that McLean enjoys is open to everyone. Surely that freedom comes with responsibility not to harass when someone speaks or makes an action not agreed with.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Oct 30, 2018 19:10:12 GMT
And any that boo or chant are as bad as him then surely? as they in effect are trying to force an opinion on someone else by not respecting his decision. In the same manner as if the club refused him to play they would be breaking employment law as something such as the wearing of the poppy can not be mandated by any employer. That's absolute nonsense, freedom of speech does not entitle anyone to be free of any consequences of that speech. If McClean does not want to wear a poppy, it is the right of others to berate him for that decision. You can respect a right for someone to hold an opinion and show nothing but contempt and disdain for that opinion. That's not exclusive to the poppy, in any other walk of life you can hold zero respect for a point of view whilst recognising the right to express said opinion. That's not forcing anything on anyone like you seem to think, it's simple discourse. Nonsense. There is a huge difference between discourse and chanting abuse at somebody because you don’t agree with their post of view or political beliefs. I don’t understand why the club felt compelled to make a statement on this matter. It’s pathetic that it’s even an issue. Just let the lad get in with his job, and shut the fuck up about it would have been the best approach.
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Post by juiceandbits on Oct 30, 2018 19:18:45 GMT
Anyone who doesn't think the'll be a few boos/chants on Saturday is kidding themselves. And any that boo or chant are as bad as him then surely? as they in effect are trying to force an opinion on someone else by not respecting his decision. In the same manner as if the club refused him to play they would be breaking employment law as something such as the wearing of the poppy can not be mandated by any employer. I don't disagree, and I won't be but people will and I can see their point of view even though I disagree. The reality is we knew he was gonna be divisive when we signed him; personally I don't think his ability as a footballer warrants this headache.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2018 19:22:17 GMT
It's just another excuse for the usual suspects on here,The morons on Twitter and the sad fuckers at the ground who will inevitably give him shit, to have a pop at the club or it's players.
He has explained his reasons and they are perfectly valid even though they aren't my beliefs so that should be the end of that.
I'm not into booing players for having a shit game personally, but I fully understand why people do it, but to boo one for of your own players because he doesn't believe in something you believe in is absolute madness so hopefully it won't happen and the voices of madness will be confined to social media.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Oct 30, 2018 19:43:36 GMT
That's absolute nonsense, freedom of speech does not entitle anyone to be free of any consequences of that speech. If McClean does not want to wear a poppy, it is the right of others to berate him for that decision. You can respect a right for someone to hold an opinion and show nothing but contempt and disdain for that opinion. That's not exclusive to the poppy, in any other walk of life you can hold zero respect for a point of view whilst recognising the right to express said opinion. That's not forcing anything on anyone like you seem to think, it's simple discourse. Nonsense. There is a huge difference between discourse and chanting abuse at somebody because you don’t agree with their post of view or political beliefs. I don’t understand why the club felt compelled to make a statement on this matter. It’s pathetic that it’s even an issue. Just let the lad get in with his job, and shut the fuck up about it would have been the best approach. Bollocks, booing and chanting is what happens at football, do you think people are following him round Tesco booing or chanting at him? Of course not. The vehicle in which the disagreement is conveyed is irrelevant in this case, by the very nature of chanting being the status quo of football grounds. It absolutely needs to be viewed within that context and as such, cannot be construed as genuine harrassment.
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Post by Scrotnig on Oct 30, 2018 19:52:19 GMT
I always wear a poppy myself but I agree entirely with the statement - it should be a personal choice to wear or not wear one. Nobody should ever feel pressured into wearing (or not wearing) one.
I not only have no problem with him not wearing one, I actually support his personal choice not to wear one (even though I might disagree with his reasoning).
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