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Post by berahinosgoals on Oct 28, 2018 11:53:07 GMT
Are you kidding Shaqiri............£12m Imbula............£18.5m Wimmer.........£18.5m Berahino........£12m Martins Indi ........£7m Sobhi........£5m Allen £13m Joselu.....£6m Wollscheid ....£3m Bojan...........£3m Plus many more £2-3m signings. That’s well over £100m and if you compare that to clubs such as the likes of Watford, Brighton and Bournemouth, ok not in the same league as the big boys (who seem to not be affected by FFP rules) who seemed to come from nowhere and establish themselves as decent PL teams then for me it puts Hughes into perspective as a manager and coach. 3 ninth place finishes despite being consistently one of the lowest spenders in the Premier League under Mark Hughes. Please feel free to correct me. wow. What was his legacy?
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Post by superheroantonius on Oct 28, 2018 11:55:25 GMT
Hughes is the anti - logic football manager .
In top flight football , a disproportionate amount of goals come from set pieces .
And of those goals that do come from open play, a disproportionate amount of goals, come from quick turnovers...winning possession and then immediately hitting a quick through ball or a quick ball down the sides . Basically against organised teams with quality defenders , you either hit them quick or not at all .
Klopp , pep , poch etc, all know much more about the game than me ,but the common theme is their sides are ace at quick turnovers , and they can defend and score from set pieces .
Hughes is the anti- klopp , the anti -pep , he goes for slow , mind numbingly slow possession football , endless attacking corner kicks that seem to carry no threat at all , and absolute chaos in defending set pieces .It's a novel approach , nobody else is on this tack , apart from Hughes himself , but if it works I will be amazed .
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Post by kustokie on Oct 28, 2018 12:57:43 GMT
3 ninth place finishes despite being consistently one of the lowest spenders in the Premier League under Mark Hughes. Please feel free to correct me. wow. What was his legacy? The glass half full brigade will say his legacy is three 9th place finishes. The glass half empty will say he got us relegated. So which do you prefer: the memories of three good seasons or the anticipation of playing one of the top six teams in the country in front of or full stadium. I’ll support Stoke through thick and then and try to come over for a few games - however, 8,000 miles is a long way to come and watch Rotherham or Derby County instead of Liverpool or Arsenal.
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Post by awrypotter on Oct 28, 2018 13:01:28 GMT
3 ninth place finishes despite being consistently one of the lowest spenders in the Premier League under Mark Hughes. Please feel free to correct me. wow. What was his legacy? Not impressed with 3 ninth place finishes despite being consistently one of the lowest spenders in the Premier League? I certainly am, having seen my first Stoke match in 1957. Statistically your position in the Premier League is related to how much you spend. As consistently one of the lowest spenders it was predictable that we would get relegated at some point because of under-investment. We have the additional burden of the Pizza Boys to deal with. Looks like Newcastle could be relegated. Benitez should be sacked FACT
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Post by berahinosgoals on Oct 28, 2018 13:06:12 GMT
wow. What was his legacy? Not impressed with 3 ninth place finishes despite being consistently one of the lowest spenders in the Premier League? I certainly am, having seen my first Stoke match in 1957. Statistically your position in the Premier League is related to how much you spend. As consistently one of the lowest spenders it was predictable that we would get relegated at some point because of under-investment. We have the additional burden of the Pizza Boys to deal with. Looks like Newcastle could be relegated. Benitez should be sacked FACT He got lucky mate he inherited a proper squad of professionals. Good solid players he relied on to the very death of him. He replaced them with shit and his team entirely of his own making was shit. That's a fact.
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Post by RAF on Oct 28, 2018 13:10:28 GMT
Not impressed with 3 ninth place finishes despite being consistently one of the lowest spenders in the Premier League? I certainly am, having seen my first Stoke match in 1957. Statistically your position in the Premier League is related to how much you spend. As consistently one of the lowest spenders it was predictable that we would get relegated at some point because of under-investment. We have the additional burden of the Pizza Boys to deal with. Looks like Newcastle could be relegated. Benitez should be sacked FACT He got lucky mate he inherited a proper squad of professionals. Good solid players he relied on to the very death of him. He replaced them with shit and his team entirely of his own making was shit. That's a fact. His predecessor couldn't get a top 10 finish with that set of proper professionals even with his dossier That is also a fact. H
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Post by berahinosgoals on Oct 28, 2018 13:16:42 GMT
He got lucky mate he inherited a proper squad of professionals. Good solid players he relied on to the very death of him. He replaced them with shit and his team entirely of his own making was shit. That's a fact. His predecessor couldn't get a top 10 finish with that set of proper professionals even with his dossier That is also a fact. H He got to a cup final and European football with the same squad Mark Hughes added further spending too to get three 9ths then collapse like a pack of cards, that's a fact too. In fact his predecessor spent most of his time in the league with this club establishing it. Mark Hughes inheritated an established club & squad, spent more money on top of what was in place & got three 9th place finishes. That's a fact. What is also a fact is he had the money to splash, splashed it on a load of shit and got us relegated.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Oct 28, 2018 13:38:49 GMT
Mark Hughes' 3 decent finishes were TP'S Legacy. Now we are witnessing Mark & his team's legacy.
It's testament to the professionalism of pulis that it took three years after his departure to disintegrate
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2018 13:42:19 GMT
Not impressed with 3 ninth place finishes despite being consistently one of the lowest spenders in the Premier League? I certainly am, having seen my first Stoke match in 1957. Statistically your position in the Premier League is related to how much you spend. As consistently one of the lowest spenders it was predictable that we would get relegated at some point because of under-investment. We have the additional burden of the Pizza Boys to deal with. Looks like Newcastle could be relegated. Benitez should be sacked FACT He got lucky mate he inherited a proper squad of professionals. Good solid players he relied on to the very death of him. He replaced them with shit and his team entirely of his own making was shit. That's a fact. Utter utter horse-shite. His best team consisted of mostly his players. The best players on that team were all his. See Shaqiri, Bojan, Arnie, Afellay in 15/16. Also lets remember Tony Pulis had those 'proper professionals' and did fuck all with them the two seasons before. In fact he nearly relegated us. Within 1 season Hughes bought a couple of players and took us from near-relegation to top half.
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Post by shangamuzo on Oct 28, 2018 13:52:19 GMT
Will be sacked before Xmas.
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Post by RAF on Oct 28, 2018 13:53:56 GMT
His predecessor couldn't get a top 10 finish with that set of proper professionals even with his dossier That is also a fact. H He got to a cup final and European football with the same squad Mark Hughes added further spending too to get three 9ths then collapse like a pack of cards, that's a fact too. In fact his predecessor spent most of his time in the league with this club establishing it. Mark Hughes inheritated an established club & squad, spent more money on top of what was in place & got three 9th place finishes. That's a fact. What is also a fact is he had the money to splash, splashed it on a load of shit and got us relegated. So basically you agree then? Cheers H
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Post by berahinosgoals on Oct 28, 2018 13:54:25 GMT
He got lucky mate he inherited a proper squad of professionals. Good solid players he relied on to the very death of him. He replaced them with shit and his team entirely of his own making was shit. That's a fact. Utter utter horse-shite. His best team consisted of mostly his players. The best players on that team were all his. See Shaqiri, Bojan, Arnie, Afellay in 15/16. Also lets remember Tony Pulis had those 'proper professionals' and did fuck all with them the two seasons before. In fact he nearly relegated us. Within 1 season Hughes bought a couple of players and took us from near-relegation to top half. Stoke 6-1 Liverpool 4 of the 6 goals scored were scored by pulis players. 7 of the 11 starting were pulis players. When the backbone was eventually transplanted it turned to shit. Fact.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Oct 28, 2018 13:57:06 GMT
He got to a cup final and European football with the same squad Mark Hughes added further spending too to get three 9ths then collapse like a pack of cards, that's a fact too. In fact his predecessor spent most of his time in the league with this club establishing it. Mark Hughes inheritated an established club & squad, spent more money on top of what was in place & got three 9th place finishes. That's a fact. What is also a fact is he had the money to splash, splashed it on a load of shit and got us relegated. So basically you agree then? Cheers H No not even close, he 'added' with extra money to what was allready in place. Pulis built it from scratch and without hughes' benefit of adding to what was allready in place reached a cup final & european football. Hughes built on a solid platform to finish 9th. Pulis got to a cup final & European football well 'building' that platform.
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Post by mattythestokie on Oct 28, 2018 13:58:01 GMT
Utter utter horse-shite. His best team consisted of mostly his players. The best players on that team were all his. See Shaqiri, Bojan, Arnie, Afellay in 15/16. Also lets remember Tony Pulis had those 'proper professionals' and did fuck all with them the two seasons before. In fact he nearly relegated us. Within 1 season Hughes bought a couple of players and took us from near-relegation to top half. Stoke 6-1 Liverpool 4 of the 6 goals scored were scored by pulis players. 7 of the 11 starting were pulis players. When the backbone was eventually transplanted it turned to shit. Fact. So you’re saying Pulis would have won 6-1 then?
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Post by berahinosgoals on Oct 28, 2018 14:01:14 GMT
Stoke 6-1 Liverpool 4 of the 6 goals scored were scored by pulis players. 7 of the 11 starting were pulis players. When the backbone was eventually transplanted it turned to shit. Fact. So you’re saying Pulis would have won 6-1 then? im saying hughes'minor success at scfc was built upon a solid foundation that he got extremely lucky in inheriting
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Post by RAF on Oct 28, 2018 14:02:18 GMT
So basically you agree then? Cheers H No not even close, he 'added' with extra money to what was allready in place. Pulis built it from scratch and without hughes' benefit of adding to that was allready in place reached a cup final & european football. Hughes built on a solid platform to finish 9th. Pulis got to a cup final & European football well 'building' that platform. Did Pulis ever have a top ten finish? Did Pulis do what he did on a shoestring budget? Don't bother answering. The answer is 'No' for both. He did some great things did TP, but I'm not denying that. H
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Post by mattythestokie on Oct 28, 2018 14:05:45 GMT
So you’re saying Pulis would have won 6-1 then? im saying hughes'minor success at scfc was built upon a solid foundation that he got extremely lucky in inheriting ‘Minor success’. 3 successive seasons in the top 10 not successful enough for you? He did a good job up until it went tits up the final year, and as much as people don’t like him, he should be commended for that.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Oct 28, 2018 14:07:46 GMT
No not even close, he 'added' with extra money to what was allready in place. Pulis built it from scratch and without hughes' benefit of adding to that was allready in place reached a cup final & european football. Hughes built on a solid platform to finish 9th. Pulis got to a cup final & European football well 'building' that platform. Did Pulis ever have a top ten finish? Did Pulis do what he did on a shoestring budget? Don't bother answering. The answer is 'No' for both. He did some great things did TP, but I'm not denying that. H Pound to pence pulis buys shit all over Hughes' from a great height. Pulis had the problem of being unable to attract players because we were establishing ourselves. His biggest buy Peter crouch still pulls a shirt on now. 5 years after pulis left. The player Mark Hughes resorted to time & time again despite buying & loaning numerous others
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Post by Old School Stokie on Oct 28, 2018 14:15:38 GMT
Southampton have far better players than Stoke had when he took over - A rebuilding job was needed - unfortunately he was the wromg manager to do that with some awful signings. His tactics and defense organisation was non existant - so theres time yet for him to fail
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Post by RAF on Oct 28, 2018 14:20:33 GMT
Did Pulis ever have a top ten finish? Did Pulis do what he did on a shoestring budget? Don't bother answering. The answer is 'No' for both. He did some great things did TP, but I'm not denying that. H Pound to pence pulis buys shit all over Hughes' from a great height. Pulis had the problem of being unable to attract players because we were establishing ourselves. His biggest buy Peter crouch still pulls a shirt on now. 5 years after pulis left. The player Mark Hughes resorted to time & time again despite buying & loaning numerous others Who said they didn't? H
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Post by berahinosgoals on Oct 28, 2018 14:24:56 GMT
Pound to pence pulis buys shit all over Hughes' from a great height. Pulis had the problem of being unable to attract players because we were establishing ourselves. His biggest buy Peter crouch still pulls a shirt on now. 5 years after pulis left. The player Mark Hughes resorted to time & time again despite buying & loaning numerous others Who said they didn't? H He's getting no credit from me, the guy is a fraud. He took a perfectly sound squad and made a pigs ear of it whilst spending decent money on it at the same time.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Oct 28, 2018 14:36:28 GMT
Hughes is a wanker.
Nothing else needs to be said.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Oct 28, 2018 14:38:07 GMT
Hughes is a wanker. Nothing else needs to be said. Oh there is, during his masterpiece of destruction he also considerably increased the wage bill to achieve it
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Post by mattythestokie on Oct 28, 2018 14:49:31 GMT
Hughes is a wanker. Nothing else needs to be said. Oh there is, during his masterpiece of destruction he also considerably increased the wage bill to achieve it He wasn’t in charge of the wage bill...
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Post by berahinosgoals on Oct 28, 2018 14:59:17 GMT
Oh there is, during his masterpiece of destruction he also considerably increased the wage bill to achieve it He wasn’t in charge of the wage bill... He was in charge of what to do with it...
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Post by kidcrewbob on Oct 28, 2018 15:00:33 GMT
He got lucky mate he inherited a proper squad of professionals. Good solid players he relied on to the very death of him. He replaced them with shit and his team entirely of his own making was shit. That's a fact. His predecessor couldn't get a top 10 finish with that set of proper professionals even with his dossier That is also a fact. H Ha ha "the dossier" - always wondered what was in that - visions of lots of match stick men in crayon.....
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Post by march4 on Oct 28, 2018 15:08:52 GMT
His predecessor couldn't get a top 10 finish with that set of proper professionals even with his dossier That is also a fact. H Ha ha "the dossier" - always wondered what was in that - visions of lots of match stick men in crayon..... Whatever was in it, we would have still been bobbling about mid-table in the Prem and could well have won one of the cups by now. Sacking Pulis is a mistake on a par with not insuring the Butler St roof and selling Stan in 1947.
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Post by danceswithclams on Oct 28, 2018 15:09:22 GMT
His predecessor couldn't get a top 10 finish with that set of proper professionals even with his dossier That is also a fact. H Ha ha "the dossier" - always wondered what was in that - visions of lots of match stick men in crayon..... There's no way that the dossier was anything other than a bit of foolscap card with 'GOARRNNN JON!!!' scrawled on it in purple crayola.
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Post by salopstick on Oct 28, 2018 15:14:48 GMT
His predecessor couldn't get a top 10 finish with that set of proper professionals even with his dossier That is also a fact. H He got to a cup final and European football with the same squad Mark Hughes added further spending too to get three 9ths then collapse like a pack of cards, that's a fact too. In fact his predecessor spent most of his time in the league with this club establishing it. Mark Hughes inheritated an established club & squad, spent more money on top of what was in place & got three 9th place finishes. That's a fact. What is also a fact is he had the money to splash, splashed it on a load of shit and got us relegated. This he got us European football may be true but you can’t use it in conjunction with “he got us to a cup final and European football” as the europa was a default of the cup final. And when we got it what did he do? Purposely play a weakened team leaving regulars at home. Smack in the face to the thousands that travelled out there
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Post by salopstick on Oct 28, 2018 15:15:55 GMT
Ha ha "the dossier" - always wondered what was in that - visions of lots of match stick men in crayon..... There's no way that the dossier was anything other than a bit of foolscap card with 'GOARRNNN JON!!!' scrawled on it in purple* crayola. *yellow
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