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Post by mermaidsal on Sept 26, 2018 21:16:02 GMT
If anyone's got the heart? Not sure I have tbh, might come back and add a rating later...
So I did come back. The formation was ok, team selection no big quibbles either, I'm not sure how much Gary did wrong tonight in itself. It's just that sheer gutless, lost, always an unforced error round the corner sense the team gives off. Opponents sniff that, like a wounded animal, and the result is what happened tonight. It's not a tactical thing, it's not about player skills, it's not about manager/player communication, at least not on a practical day to day level, it's only somewhat about team bonding - this is visceral, there's a profound fear in the group. It's not the opposition the lads are afraid of, it feels like it's actually themselves, individually and collectively. I don't want to demean anyone living with PTSD by making this comparison but if a squad of footballers can have PTSD, that's what we have at this moment. It's not post-relegation: it's post Sparky losing connection with the team and leading them into shit again and again and again. This collective fear is so strong newcomers are picking it up too. As fans we're maybe not helping by looking for the right person to blame so loudly but we wouldn't be human if we didn't.
I said at the start of the season what we need asap is the best sports psychologist we can afford, for as long as it takes, I'm saying it louder now and I do actually know what I'm talking about on this one. I believe Gary is doing the best he can, as Lambo did beofre him, and he's not suddenly a hopeless football manager. The issues here are deeper and less rational, he needs some radical/lateral thinking and some expert help (he also needs Cartwright and Scholes ****ed off imo and that's not scapegoating, just sanity).
So for Rowett tonight, after reflection, it's a 4 from Sal
* if you were there please and you deserve a bloody medal
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 26, 2018 21:25:37 GMT
7.5
Lost the game, scored two goals, hit the bar and also had a goal disallowed.
Now the truth is coming out, Lawrence as good as confirmed Rowett was told to leave the defence and go for midfielders & attackers. Teflon could of done more to sign Simpson & chester but chose not too is my bet. My bet is he refused Simpson because he has just handed Bauer a new contract & we only got Martina because he can play the other backline positions so scholes couldn't deny it.
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Post by fca47 on Sept 26, 2018 21:29:48 GMT
2 - the results are consistent , so the mark has to be consistent. Saturday has to be the last chance.
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Post by citynickscfc on Sept 26, 2018 21:33:22 GMT
7.5 Lost the game, scored two goals, hit the bar and also had a goal disallowed. Now the truth is coming out, Lawrence as good as confirmed Rowett was told to leave the defence and go for midfielders & attackers. Teflon could of done more to sign Simpson & chester but chose not too is my bet. My bet is he refused Simpson because he has just handed Bauer a new contract & we only got Martina because he can play the other backline positions so scholes couldn't deny it. Seriously??????? Is that true??? Hey rid of this fucking recruitment team now!!!! |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 26, 2018 21:35:54 GMT
7.5 Lost the game, scored two goals, hit the bar and also had a goal disallowed. Now the truth is coming out, Lawrence as good as confirmed Rowett was told to leave the defence and go for midfielders & attackers. Teflon could of done more to sign Simpson & chester but chose not too is my bet. My bet is he refused Simpson because he has just handed Bauer a new contract & we only got Martina because he can play the other backline positions so scholes couldn't deny it. Seriously??????? Is that true??? Hey rid of this fucking recruitment team now!!!! Lawrence said live on radio stoke the noises he has heard are that Rowett was told to leave the defence its fine and sign attackers and midfielders |
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Sept 26, 2018 21:44:23 GMT
I'm going to be maverick and come up with a new rating system...pick who he'd do on karaoke and his score for that is then added to his score for the footy:
Michael Bolton (gravelly voice and that) 2/10
So added to my rating for his football management tonight, that gives him a grand total of 2 from the judges here.
Embarrassingly inept in just about every way possible. My particular highlight was going 3-0 down and Gary thinking "We'll stay as we are for the moment, things aren't too bad"
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Sept 26, 2018 21:46:18 GMT
0, big fat fucking 0, which is exact level of interest I have at the moment.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 26, 2018 21:46:47 GMT
Seriously??????? Is that true??? Hey rid of this fucking recruitment team now!!!! Lawrence said live on radio stoke the noises he has heard are that Rowett was told to leave the defence its fine and sign attackers and midfielders Having watched last season's games do you think any manager worth his wage would ever agree with that? |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 26, 2018 21:51:43 GMT
Lawrence said live on radio stoke the noises he has heard are that Rowett was told to leave the defence its fine and sign attackers and midfielders Having watched last season's games do you think any manager worth his wage would ever agree with that? Pay me what Rowett Is earning and I would agree to it,plus walk round with a turnip up my Arse.  |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 26, 2018 21:51:55 GMT
Lawrence said live on radio stoke the noises he has heard are that Rowett was told to leave the defence its fine and sign attackers and midfielders Having watched last season's games do you think any manager worth his wage would ever agree with that? No and I don't think Rowett did. I don't trust scholes, having just handed Bauer a new contract I wouldn't be in the slightest bit surprised if he got a note from Rowett about Danny Simpson & threw it in the bin. Another thing, following these Lawrence comments I wonder if tony scholes thought we needed to spend decent money on a centre back? (Chester). |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 21:52:38 GMT
3
He got 0 on Saturday but I think he picked the right formation tonight, just completely the wrong players.
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Post by claytonscrubs on Sept 26, 2018 22:11:26 GMT
Rowett 0 < Yes, this looks familiar.
Stoke fans who went tonight 10......I tip my hat to you 🎩
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 26, 2018 22:18:24 GMT
I don't think things could be any worse if the fans were balloted for their favourite starting X1 an hour before kick off and that team just went out there and did their own thing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 22:37:10 GMT
A big fat naught.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Sept 26, 2018 22:46:56 GMT
5 treated it as a run out for the fringe players and experimented, it didn't pay off but the cup shouldn't be allowed to distarct us from what really matters. Gouranga.  |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 26, 2018 22:57:44 GMT
10 - this guy knows how to produce entertaining games  |
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 27, 2018 0:35:36 GMT
7. Loses a point for starting Crouch ( when will he learn?) and another one for starting with the woeful Fletcher.
If Saido scores that sitter at the end it’s a different story. The players need to be taking more responsibility for what’s going on.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2018 6:01:11 GMT
0.
I can't believe he made changes.
Rule number 1 - you never change a losing side.
Can you do anything right, Gary?
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Post by jarhead on Sept 27, 2018 6:12:16 GMT
Zero
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2018 6:31:36 GMT
0, big fat fucking 0, which is exact level of interest I have at the moment. This is exactly my feelings right now. I am losing interest and really can’t be arsed with it. |
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Post by pavel on Sept 27, 2018 8:35:48 GMT
Seeing I didn’t see the match I thought I’d be generous and give him 3 this week. It seems to be a lucky number of late as we continue to keep conceding 3!!
After consideration though and his starting of crouch ( we all know that works) and Adam and Fletcher together in midfield (more mobility than mobile) he loses 3 and more so it’s ZERO from me.
This was not a setup to win a game of football, it almost seemed a set up to throw certain players to the wolves and make a point.
Also he knows all about Crouch, Fletcher and Adam so why play them, he learnt alsolutely nothing from it and certainly Fletcher and Adam won’t feature on Saturday. I expect he will revert to last weeks team this Saturday, the mans a fraud and needs to go.
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Post by Northy on Sept 27, 2018 9:16:23 GMT
Having watched last season's games do you think any manager worth his wage would ever agree with that? Pay me what Rowett Is earning and I would agree to it,plus walk round with a turnip up my Arse. A fully grown one Staffs? |
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Post by mermaidsal on Sept 27, 2018 12:42:44 GMT
Pay me what Rowett Is earning and I would agree to it,plus walk round with a turnip up my Arse. A fully grown one Staffs? Think you'll find Staffs has a fine mature arse |
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Post by Northy on Sept 27, 2018 13:01:15 GMT
A fully grown one Staffs? Think you'll find Staffs has a fine mature arse I have met him a few times but thankfully I'm more of a boobs man  |
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Post by citynickscfc on Sept 27, 2018 13:06:16 GMT
Even with everything, he has to be one of the lowest scoring managers in our history?
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Post by onepara on Sept 27, 2018 16:07:22 GMT
He's playing politics with the Board & Scholes/Cartwright. Trying to make the point of what he's got to work with. Meanwhile as he plays his game, we lose matches so he can prove his point. Does he care if we drop down at the end of this season? Of course not. He'll just go & get another job. Just like Hughes has.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2018 16:40:54 GMT
He's playing politics with the Board & Scholes/Cartwright. Trying to make the point of what he's got to work with. Meanwhile as he plays his game, we lose matches so he can prove his point. Does he care if we drop down at the end of this season? Of course not. He'll just go & get another job. Just like Hughes has. Given he has a patchy reputation for moving clubs freely in his short career to date, would taking us to League One through playing games completely wreck his career before it's even properly started? |
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Post by RAF on Sept 27, 2018 17:02:23 GMT
2
Dog Toffee
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Post by JimmyisGod on Sept 27, 2018 17:15:15 GMT
Well i am one of those who went to the game
And for me he gets an 8
Yes an 8. He made 10 changes, he had to do something drastic after Saturday , my only gripe would be playing Crouch
We starting really positively, played with pace and style for 15 minutes until they got a lucky goal
Then we fell apart and I’m not sure what he personally could do about it, blame BMI, Bauer who was useless and Williams
He made subs and we batterred them second half, its not his fault that Saido missed a sitter
Time to give him a break, move on and I think we will win on Saturday
And I dont have rose tinted glasses on
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Post by leicspotter on Sept 27, 2018 17:55:02 GMT
*6 Before the game I was worried about having the "pace" (hic) of both Adam and Fletcher in midfield. Ironically both had decent games, and at the end Charlie was pinging the ball around keeping Forest pegged back and hanging on. Points lost for starting Crouch (love the big man but he shouldn't be a starter), having Edwards on the "wrong side" first half and for not changing things at half time. Points gained for giving Souttar 90 minutes...and he looked pretty decent to me, and getting Afobe and Ince on. He also gave Campbell some game time, but he looked sadly lost out left and was unable to beat the first man with any of his attempted crosses. Will we ever produce another half decent player from the Academy?  What no-one should blame Rowett for are the dreadful mistakes made by Federici and Williams to gift Forest all 3 goals...ok, you can blame him for signing / selecting them but how would anyone forsee such ineptitude from so called professionals. Saido is now 2 in 2 but should be 4 in 2...again, is that the manager's fault? Finally, for all those who are backing Baur against Rowett...Moritz was truly atrocious last night, going forward or defending...seems he went home at the end of the season and sent his useless twin brother back in his place  The A46 access was closed last night, causing a 10 mile diversion...I don't blame Rowett for that either |
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