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Post by kjpt140v on Sept 26, 2018 21:46:16 GMT
Far too big for him? Who do think we are Real Madrid? Here we go, inferiority complex starts to come out of Stoke fans. Ha ha you're wonderful.
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Post by tony1234 on Sept 26, 2018 21:51:15 GMT
I could say the exact same thing back, how do you know he isn't? He inherited a disaster and it was always going to take time to turn it around, and I have the belief he will based on his previous record with clubs, he has been successful in all his previous jobs in my opinion, Birmingham being the main example. There are also clubs throughout the leagues who constantly chopped and changed their management team and have ended up even worse in the shit. Sunderland did have financial issues but their plight was not helped by constantly changing management. We didn't just bring Rowett in, we changed everything below the boardroom. Coaches, academy, manager, assistant manager. This team has had a massive transition of players who are learning to work together under new management instruction, which is showing some signs of coherence, admittedly in attack not defence but the team inherited as I stated was woeful. To then send a message to the players that there is yet another change, with yet more changes in approach and style will further confuse the entire squad and team in that they would then have to learn a whole new way of playing, now, mid season. Stick with Rowett, let him get his messages through instead of changing and we will see the rewards, instead of chucking everything up in the air again in the hope of another manager getting a tune out of the same set of defenders. Rowett knows the issues now, it's up to him to sort them, and I believe he will. Darren Moore inherited a disaster and turned it around in 1 game they are currently 3rd. Swansea sold anyone who would get a transfer fee and spent nothing and Graham Potter has them playing better than us even if we did beat their reserves. I'm not so sure WBA were as big a disaster as Stoke. They had fit, good players - certainly at Champs level - in Philips, Rondon, Rodriguez across the front from Day 1 and were able to trade 1 (Rondon for Gayle) and add another good attacker in Barnes. Chadli apart, they didn't have the financial and emotional baggage of Imbula, Wimmer and Beharinho - and the fitness issues around as many core players as us which have clearly been affecting form (Shawx, Fletcher, Adam and Bojan).
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 26, 2018 22:03:00 GMT
Pulis would have this lot sorted out quicker than you can say 4-4-1-1. Pulis' love affair has just entered the building.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 26, 2018 22:11:11 GMT
How do our issues run deeper than Swansea’s when they lost far more players and spent far less money replacing them? Our issues stem from our boardroom and the lack of coherent and sustained transfer / playing policy which left us with an ageing squad of elitist players and a woeful defence. It will take more than 4 months including 1 transfer window and 9 league games to sort us out. As a result of the last 2/3 years we have no identity, it will take time and patience for that to settle in. Something, it seems, probably fairly, we as a set of fans have little time for. I think if Scholes and Cartwright were to have been shipped out or fanbase would be a lot more patient with things. Swansea have an identity and are sticking to it. Swansea have had their own problems ‘stemming from the boardroom’ that put them in this mess. They had what was widely perceived to be a disastrous transfer window. Swansea’s own owners conceded they’d ‘lost their identity’ when they were relegated.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 22:13:24 GMT
Defeat after defeat after defeat. 3-0 down three times so far this season. He has to go tonight. Rowett OUT Or don't jump the gun and actually give the bloke time to sort it out. Can't believe people want him gone already.
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Post by geoff321 on Sept 26, 2018 22:16:00 GMT
Our issues stem from our boardroom and the lack of coherent and sustained transfer / playing policy which left us with an ageing squad of elitist players and a woeful defence. It will take more than 4 months including 1 transfer window and 9 league games to sort us out. As a result of the last 2/3 years we have no identity, it will take time and patience for that to settle in. Something, it seems, probably fairly, we as a set of fans have little time for. I think if Scholes and Cartwright were to have been shipped out or fanbase would be a lot more patient with things. Swansea have an identity and are sticking to it. Swansea have had their own problems ‘stemming from the boardroom’ that put them in this mess. They had what was widely perceived to be a disastrous transfer window. Swansea’s own owners conceded they’d ‘lost their identity’ when they were relegated. What's your view of the current Middlesborough performance rob and their squad?
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Post by future100 on Sept 26, 2018 22:19:05 GMT
I ate an entire bag of cashews today.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 26, 2018 22:19:30 GMT
Swansea have had their own problems ‘stemming from the boardroom’ that put them in this mess. They had what was widely perceived to be a disastrous transfer window. Swansea’s own owners conceded they’d ‘lost their identity’ when they were relegated. What's your view of the current Middlesborough performance rob and their squad?
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They’re doing well Geoff. And with that budget so they should be.
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Post by jontimmis on Sept 26, 2018 22:23:48 GMT
Rowett needs another two transfer windows to sort this shower out. That is two windows without the fucking pizza boys trying to do stuff on the cheap or sabotaging the fuck out of us with ‘Wimmer esque catastrophies’!! 50m down and ones been had.... would you give the guy another 100m?? He didn’t sort out what all fans knew needed addressing the root cause to the worst defence on a global level!!! I could have paid any Joey to sort that out the stats don’t lie!!
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Post by TexasPotter on Sept 26, 2018 22:26:51 GMT
I'd give my left nut for Lawerence, Fuller, and Huth as our management. Sick of these journeymen idiots who can't sub or get league capable players. Your left nut for 3 ex players who have never managed anyone. Ok then. Still better than Rowett.
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Post by future100 on Sept 26, 2018 22:27:20 GMT
I ate an entire bag of cashews today.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Sept 26, 2018 22:30:46 GMT
And all of a sudden a shit playing squad is going to play like fucking barcelona.----------------------GET FUCKING REAL Implying there is no middle ground between this steaming pile of pig shit and FC Barcelona? Talk about false equivalencies. Two short planks come to mind.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 22:38:55 GMT
I'm sorry but it's easy to sign Championship players; Ince has always been class in this league, Afobe cost over ten million and again has always been good in this league, as for McClean we have him contracted till 33 and people were moaning about him when he was fit, it's only now he is injured people seem to suddenly consider him a good signing.
We didn't choose not to sign Chester, Villa became financially stable again and he didn't want to make a sideways move to us. Rowett chose Williams who was in no way what we needed, that's on him.
Signings aside his management has been awful tactically and with his constant outbursts. Not saying we sack him now but start working on a shortlist and seeing who is available/who would take it, because if we're like this a month from today he needs to go so there's enough time for a new manager to actually have an impact and sign his own players in January.
Scholes should be gone yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 22:43:39 GMT
Get rid of this idiot, and maybe we can move forwards.
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Post by bertiestan on Sept 26, 2018 22:44:06 GMT
A bit jim Gannon isn't he.
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 27, 2018 7:49:42 GMT
He's toss...
With a capital "T"
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Post by jarvinski on Sept 27, 2018 7:51:56 GMT
Rowett is clueless and should be sacked, look at Rangers and Derby with 2 proper footballers as managers, time to get Paul Scholes in.
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Post by wuzza on Sept 27, 2018 8:09:41 GMT
1. He believed his own publicity and thought he was the real deal at this level 2. And because of 1 he never got his research done into our current squad and made the appropriate adjustments pre season.
It’s all blown up in his face now in a very public and demeaning manner and as a result he is thrashing around trying to find a solution.
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Post by mrred on Sept 27, 2018 8:13:43 GMT
Genuine question. Two actually. Do the people that want Rowett out think our players would change the error of their ways for nearly 3 years and suddenly we become a cohesive footballing team? What will sacking Rowett achieve and who would be a viable replacement?
Do people not realise yet that there is something deeply, deeply fucked with this club? The big changes to the club that we were promised didn't happen. The same problems that we've faced for (again) nearly 3 years persist. Changing the manager (again) will not un-fuck this club.
I can't remember who started the thread a while ago about us 'doing a Sunderland' and they got no end of shit for it. There's the same losing mentality and culture at this club and it's not going away by changing the manager. It's clear as day. We're really going to struggle this season. I'll stop short at saying we'll be relegated but we've dead certain got the same poisonous, losing culture that Sunderland had.
I don't particularly like Rowett but you'd be fucking nuts if you think changing him will change our fortunes.
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 27, 2018 8:20:54 GMT
Rowett is clueless and should be sacked, look at Rangers and Derby with 2 proper footballers as managers, time to get Paul Scholes in. Bit early to hit the old beer But then again stoke have a habitual tendency to drive a person to a ale or three
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Post by mamasgloves on Sept 27, 2018 8:22:31 GMT
It is plain to see he has no idea Derby last night were class We look league two standard All from this manager You could argue that Derby are a side enjoying the base that Rowett built whereas Rowett is suffering the one left by Hughes Rowett getting stick doesn't really surprise me but there's a pretty unhealthy level of knicker wetting going on after such a short space of time which feels unfiar given he's trying to turnaround a defence used to losing for nigh on 2yrs. I think there will be a fair few red faces on here come the end of the year.
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Post by Block 22 on Sept 27, 2018 8:32:36 GMT
It is plain to see he has no idea Derby last night were class We look league two standard All from this manager You could argue that Derby are a side enjoying the base that Rowett built whereas Rowett is suffering the one left by Hughes Rowett getting stick doesn't really surprise me but there's a pretty unhealthy level of knicker wetting going on after such a short space of time which feels unfiar given he's trying to turnaround a defence used to losing for nigh on 2yrs. I think there will be a fair few red faces on here come the end of the year. You can’t be rational on here. Anyone who doesn’t sit in a dark room and cry about our current situation is a happy clapper. Good post!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2018 21:13:10 GMT
It is plain to see he has no idea Derby last night were class We look league two standard All from this manager You could argue that Derby are a side enjoying the base that Rowett built whereas Rowett is suffering the one left by Hughes Rowett getting stick doesn't really surprise me but there's a pretty unhealthy level of knicker wetting going on after such a short space of time which feels unfiar given he's trying to turnaround a defence used to losing for nigh on 2yrs. I think there will be a fair few red faces on here come the end of the year. Best post I’ve read in weeks. People are forgetting the legacy left by Hughes
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Post by geoff321 on Sept 27, 2018 21:22:31 GMT
The owners of Stoke City have the financial clout to get us out of the Championship quickly, whether that's with Rowett as manager remains to be seen.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2018 21:30:55 GMT
You could argue that Derby are a side enjoying the base that Rowett built whereas Rowett is suffering the one left by Hughes Rowett getting stick doesn't really surprise me but there's a pretty unhealthy level of knicker wetting going on after such a short space of time which feels unfiar given he's trying to turnaround a defence used to losing for nigh on 2yrs. I think there will be a fair few red faces on here come the end of the year. Best post I’ve read in weeks. People are forgetting the legacy left by Hughes Yes and all this after constantly ramming it down everyone's throats up until a month ago.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 27, 2018 21:56:08 GMT
You could argue that Derby are a side enjoying the base that Rowett built whereas Rowett is suffering the one left by Hughes Rowett getting stick doesn't really surprise me but there's a pretty unhealthy level of knicker wetting going on after such a short space of time which feels unfiar given he's trying to turnaround a defence used to losing for nigh on 2yrs. I think there will be a fair few red faces on here come the end of the year. You can’t be rational on here. Anyone who doesn’t sit in a dark room and cry about our current situation is a happy clapper. Good post! Being rational means basing stuff on the evidence at hand, not blindly assuming everything will be fine in the end based on nothing.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 27, 2018 22:07:06 GMT
You can’t be rational on here. Anyone who doesn’t sit in a dark room and cry about our current situation is a happy clapper. Good post! Being rational means basing stuff on the evidence at hand, not blindly assuming everything will be fine in the end based on nothing. Ktf?
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Post by wagstand on Sept 27, 2018 22:13:07 GMT
Yes it’s been a shit start but it’s no good keep switching managers. It’s not fair to judge Rowett after 10 games, give the bloke a chance. He’s come into a club with a team that Hughes took 2 years to dismantle he needs time to put it right. The way some of our so called fans are reacting because the going has got tough is embarrassing, talk about support through thick and thin and city til I die . Any manager needs a fair crack of the whip and the poisonous atmosphere being spread by many of our supporters makes the job twice as difficult. Scapegoats don’t win you any points, I want to be proud of my club and it’s fans but that is really difficult right now.
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Post by Billybigbollox on Sept 27, 2018 22:34:38 GMT
I don’t want to see the manager sacked, even after the piss poor start that we’ve seen to the season. There must’ve been something about him that led the board to want him in the first place. Like everyone else I’m frustrated by our performances, but I’d say that Gary Rowett is too. He seems honest in his appraisal of the games and at least seems to see what we do. Maybe the squad of players was worse than he thought, or he was let down by the transfer maestros at the club. One thing is for sure and that is the lack of depth in quality in the squad, which makes it difficult to drop those who are underperforming. Hopefully he’ll be here long enough to turn things around, because if he is not I can’t see anyone else being able to make a silk purse out of these sow’s ears.
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Post by TexasPotter on Sept 28, 2018 3:50:00 GMT
Rowett is clueless and should be sacked, look at Rangers and Derby with 2 proper footballers as managers, time to get Paul Scholes in. Bit early to hit the old beer But then again stoke have a habitual tendency to drive a person to a ale or three Try bottles of Whiskey the last three seasons.
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