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Post by that's our Ric on Nov 24, 2018 21:35:18 GMT
I assume the owners have written this season off, or they would have sacked him by now. How many games does it take to realise he is taking us nowhere. Old man Coates said just this week we're moving in the right direction, so go figure
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Nov 24, 2018 21:40:03 GMT
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 24, 2018 22:21:50 GMT
Watching that bag of shit today convinced me that Rowett is completely and utterly out of his depth. Every match I keep hoping to see signs of a system or pattern of play that gives some indication of what Rowett is trying to do but I really have no idea. Jokanovic is available and out there but for not very long I would guess. It's going to cost the club a small fortune in sacking Rowett and his army of little helpers but I honestly believe it would be the right decision as long as they have lined up Jokanovic.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 24, 2018 22:44:39 GMT
Removing Rowett is when not if but the process to replace him , on what terms and with what level of ambition are the key , his appointment was another horrendous recruitment decision and somewhere the lessons really do need learning
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Post by ibby on Nov 24, 2018 23:16:30 GMT
Time for him to go !!!!
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Post by mrteddysalad on Nov 24, 2018 23:24:40 GMT
I’m surprised you guys are so livid after today’s match. Our attack was far worse the last 5-6 weeks than today. I thought we actually showed some class in the final third for once. Not much, but some. I mean we were inches away from Ince making it 3-1 for an easy win. And that’s just dumb luck of an offsides call not going our way and has nothing to do with Rowett.
He’s not my favorite either, but I don’t see any other options out there right now except the usual list of recycled English managers.
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 24, 2018 23:33:16 GMT
I’m surprised you guys are so livid after today’s match. Our attack was far worse the last 5-6 weeks than today. I thought we actually showed some class in the final third for once. Not much, but some. I mean we were inches away from Ince making it 3-1 for an easy win. And that’s just dumb luck of an offsides call not going our way and has nothing to do with Rowett. He’s not my favorite either, but I don’t see any other options out there right now except the usual list of recycled English managers. The only reason I'm suggesting sacking Rowett is because Jokanovic is available now and I just think he is a far superior manager than Rowett. It won't happen but it really should.
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Post by mrteddysalad on Nov 24, 2018 23:41:45 GMT
I haven’t seen enough Fulham to judge Jokanovic, but unless he’s a major upgrade I wouldn’t bother. 4 managers in 10 months isn’t a good look.
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 25, 2018 0:29:11 GMT
I haven’t seen enough Fulham to judge Jokanovic, but unless he’s a major upgrade I wouldn’t bother. 4 managers in 10 months isn’t a good look.That paints a false picture. Manager 1 Hughes - the club stood loyally by him, because Stoke support their managers. But they were loyal for too long. When even the Board realised the performances were hopeless , and it took a loss to Coventry to make them realise, they finally decided it wasn't working, particularly when Hughes made the insolent comment "Who else is going to do the job?" Manager 2 - What a mess-up, publicly rejected by at least 3 managers, (how many more we don't know about who were asked if they were interested).Eventually Lambert leaped at the opportunity and started turning over stones that revealed what a dire state Hughes had created, unbeknown to many of us. Lambert had a simple brief: Keep us up. He failed Manager 3 - The club decided to find the best man available to get us promoted. The judgement was Rowett. So be it I don't have any problem, no doubt they looked far and wide and considered many, engaged the best "head-hunters" for advice and guidance, and consulted with all their best contacts. But clearly it was a mistake, Rowett is not up to the job. Maybe he can impose his ethos on less gifted players, but when in comes to Stoke's squad of seasoned internationals who have played in World, European, and African tournaments he is out of his depth. Clearly Hughes, a former Champions league club and International manager struggled to manage them, what chance has an less experienced younger man, with no notable playing career or management success behind him. Rowett has been in place now for over 5 months, brought in most of the players he wanted, and has failed. The comparison with today's visiting manager is odious. McClaren was appointed on almost exactly the same day as Rowett, made signings to add to an inferior squad, and turned QPR round. www.skysports.com/queens-park-rangers-transfersIf the Board don't bother to act soon to change the manager, there is a serious risk of the club imploding like Sunderland. Rowett is clearly incapable.
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Post by citynickscfc on Nov 25, 2018 0:29:57 GMT
We are wank. Enough said. Difficult to watch, can't defend or see out a game. Season all but over now. Sad sad state of affairs. 100m more lost next season. Of how I love these 5m signings. Rock the city and all that shit. Feels like 1999 all over Again, and I could cry
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Post by wilcopotter on Nov 25, 2018 7:47:25 GMT
He should be doing a lot better with this squad. Problem is, who replaces him?. When clubs keep chopping and changing managers it’s usually a downward spiral. I’d give him until Christmas. I think already it’s play-offs at best and that looks doubtful at the minute.
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Post by FrankButcher on Nov 25, 2018 7:48:03 GMT
I assume the owners have written this season off, or they would have sacked him by now. How many games does it take to realise he is taking us nowhere. Old man Coates said just this week we're moving in the right direction, so go figure we are well and truly fucked if coates thinks that he's obviously happy to be mid table mediocrity. Don't mean this in a harsh way but time for new owners I think with fresh ideas and impetus!
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Post by thevoid on Nov 25, 2018 8:56:33 GMT
I haven’t seen enough Fulham to judge Jokanovic, but unless he’s a major upgrade I wouldn’t bother. 4 managers in 10 months isn’t a good look. It's not done Watford any harm. 8 competitive wins in 2018 (with one month to go) is a worse look. Clubs we've beaten this year: Huddersfield (x2), Swansea (x2- one was a dead rubber), Norwich and Bristol City (both lucky), Hull and Bolton. We're a joke.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 25, 2018 10:49:56 GMT
He’s totally out of his depth , but he’s not the common denomitor in three years of accelerating decline , just what bizarre alternative could Cartwright , John and Tony come up with next
Could we be waiting for our next manager to come out of the jungle ., be sacked by a premier league club, finalise their international severance , finish their self preening class, , undoubtedly things like successful recent promotion campaigns , highly in demand and therefore expensive positive , articulate ,standing in the game that reflects our alleged ambition , will be deemed irrelevant
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Post by TexasPotter on Nov 25, 2018 11:10:44 GMT
I was hoping to wake up to news about him being sacked. Guess we're in for another "what's all the fuss about" first post January 1st.
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Post by johno1112 on Nov 25, 2018 15:28:28 GMT
January 2019: Gary Rowett is given 10 million to spend to turn mid table Stoke into playoff candidates. Bojan, Adam, Diouf and Bauer all go out on loan. Pieters joins Newcastle
May 2019: after a season which stoke finish 15th Gary Rowett leaves ‘by mutual consent’. The board is quoted as saying ‘with the benefit of hindsight there is an argument to say we could have acted sooner’. The recruitment team begin the process of selecting a new manager. Candidates include Martin O’neill, Graham Potter, Alan Pardew, Neil Warnock and David Moyes
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Post by Ursemboy on Nov 25, 2018 15:57:17 GMT
5 wins in 18 games is not acceptable
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 25, 2018 16:20:52 GMT
See villa , are flying past us now having made a bold and creative management change early , suspect they and derby will show us what’s actually required in the next few weeks .
Interestingly villa changed their ceo first and his number 2 who stepped in , got a proper ceo and give him the recruitment challenge , would be an excellent model to follow
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Post by mrred on Nov 25, 2018 19:50:37 GMT
Mentioned on knot FM that Rowett was mouthing something about the fans after the whistle yesterday, anyone know what that's about?
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Post by TexasPotter on Nov 25, 2018 22:56:43 GMT
Mentioned on knot FM that Rowett was mouthing something about the fans after the whistle yesterday, anyone know what that's about? He's starting to realize the divide and conquer route doesn't work for Stoke fans who expect results on $50 million spent and is getting testy with home supporters who know his charade is up.
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Post by mrteddysalad on Nov 26, 2018 5:15:06 GMT
I haven’t seen enough Fulham to judge Jokanovic, but unless he’s a major upgrade I wouldn’t bother. 4 managers in 10 months isn’t a good look.That paints a false picture. Manager 1 Hughes - the club stood loyally by him, because Stoke support their managers. But they were loyal for too long. When even the Board realised the performances were hopeless , and it took a loss to Coventry to make them realise, they finally decided it wasn't working, particularly when Hughes made the insolent comment "Who else is going to do the job?" Manager 2 - What a mess-up, publicly rejected by at least 3 managers, (how many more we don't know about who were asked if they were interested).Eventually Lambert leaped at the opportunity and started turning over stones that revealed what a dire state Hughes had created, unbeknown to many of us. Lambert had a simple brief: Keep us up. He failed Manager 3 - The club decided to find the best man available to get us promoted. The judgement was Rowett. So be it I don't have any problem, no doubt they looked far and wide and considered many, engaged the best "head-hunters" for advice and guidance, and consulted with all their best contacts. But clearly it was a mistake, Rowett is not up to the job. Maybe he can impose his ethos on less gifted players, but when in comes to Stoke's squad of seasoned internationals who have played in World, European, and African tournaments he is out of his depth. Clearly Hughes, a former Champions league club and International manager struggled to manage them, what chance has an less experienced younger man, with no notable playing career or management success behind him. Rowett has been in place now for over 5 months, brought in most of the players he wanted, and has failed. The comparison with today's visiting manager is odious. McClaren was appointed on almost exactly the same day as Rowett, made signings to add to an inferior squad, and turned QPR round. www.skysports.com/queens-park-rangers-transfersIf the Board don't bother to act soon to change the manager, there is a serious risk of the club imploding like Sunderland. Rowett is clearly incapable. I just don’t want to make a hasty decision for a lateral move. I feel like that’s how we ended up with Lambert. If Jokanovic is big upgrade then I’m all for it.
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Post by mrred on Nov 26, 2018 9:46:24 GMT
See villa , are flying past us now having made a bold and creative management change early , suspect they and derby will show us what’s actually required in the next few weeks . Interestingly villa changed their ceo first and his number 2 who stepped in , got a proper ceo and give him the recruitment challenge , would be an excellent model to follow West Brom also changed a number of their upper management. Meanwhile.... As for Rowett, he'll be given a full season unfortunately. Regardless to the Coates "learning from their mistakes", they'll repeat recent history and give Gary Rowett the full season to save face. I genuinely believe they'd rather keep Stoke in the Championship under this dour fucker than admit they've made the wrong call 3 times in a year.
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 26, 2018 11:28:17 GMT
As we enter December I have a feeling of deja vu. We will stumble on with draws and losses, but the occasional win against the worst sides like Ipswich will get the eternal optimists thinking we have turned the corner. Then sights will be set on the transfer window in January with more optimism that we will make miraculous signings. Can I remind people of this piece on Rowett in Wiki: "Despite Rowett adding further experience to the squad with the signing of 31-year old Cameron Jerome in the January transfer window, Derby again suffered a post-January slump, winning just 2 out of 13 league matches, a run that included heavy defeats to relegation candidates Sunderland and Burton Albion to briefly fall out of the top 6, before a brief resurgence in their final three games saw them qualify for the playoffs on the final day of the season with a 6th placed finish and 75 points. The play-off campaign ended in defeat, ............" We are miles away from achieving 75 points
In am normally an optimist but I think we will do well to hold onto our best players in January. A new manager might persuade them to stay. We may lose the steadying influence of some of our long service players like Crouch, Adam, and Pieters which would not affect team performance on the pitch much but I'm sure they will have a positive influence in the dressing room.
Gaps have now started to open up in the table above us, and even if results start to improve, it is going to be a long slog to get to a promotion place. The sands of time are running out for us fast at the moment, and I feel it is vital to get a new manager in and get the bounce before we enter the second half of the season. Trying to achieve promotion next season is going to be a whole lot harder than this season, just ask QPR, Sheffield clubs, Leeds, Forest, etc.
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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Nov 26, 2018 12:58:13 GMT
I hear Mark Hughes might be available as Southampton look to get rid.
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Post by Onneravineet on Nov 26, 2018 13:33:01 GMT
I have already started to tell people that this is my least season as a season ticket holder. This, psychologically speaking, is perhaps to give myself the necessary time to get used to the fact, if indeed it is to be the case. In truth my buying 4 season tickets for the last three years has been based solely on it being “what we do” and “what I have always done”, rather than for enjoyment reasons.
The difficulty for me in my conclusion is in the position that supporters like Werrington take. Home and away, without fail, they’re there. For supporters like him and Suffolk they’re a different breed and I honestly doff my cap. They seem so utterly committed to the club, despite its blatant disconnect with the supporters, that they can hold their patience with Rowett far longer than I have been able to. (I haven’t read Suffolk’s latest posts so I have made an assumption)
However, I feel that it is because of that disconnect that l completely wish Rowett out of his position, along with messers Scholes and Cartwright. Perhaps it is in the vein hope that it will galvanise my support once again for a club which I feel has lost its way. Through the total and rotten apathy and in the Board’s gross acceptance of what, for those of us who recognised the stench of a relegation, was written on the wall for more than two years!
As far as I am concerned Rowett cannot galvanise a team, pick a team or read a game that his team is playing in. All in all he is a disloyal chancer and I want him out. I have seen more than enough now and the more I see it reminds me of the tenure of Jordan. The marriage didn’t work then and I don’t see it working now. I want a divorce.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 13:47:48 GMT
I have already started to tell people that this is my least season as a season ticket holder. This, psychologically speaking, is perhaps to give myself the necessary time to get used to the fact, if indeed it is to be the case. In truth my buying 4 season tickets for the last three years has been based solely on it being “what we do” and “what I have always done”, rather than for enjoyment reasons. The difficulty for me in my conclusion is in the position that supporters like Werrington take. Home and away, without fail, they’re there. For supporters like him and Suffolk they’re a different breed and I honestly doff my cap. They seem so utterly committed to the club, despite its blatant disconnect with the supporters, that they can hold their patience with Rowett far longer than I have been able to. (I haven’t read Suffolk’s latest posts so I have made an assumption) However, I feel that it is because of that disconnect that l completely wish Rowett out of his position, along with messers Scholes and Cartwright. Perhaps it is in the vein hope that it will galvanise my support once again for a club which I feel has lost its way. Through the total and rotten apathy and in the Board’s gross acceptance of what, for those of us who recognised the stench of a relegation, was written on the wall for more than two years! As far as I am concerned Rowett cannot galvanise a team, pick a team or read a game that his team is playing in. All in all he is a disloyal chancer and I want him out. I have seen more than enough now and the more I see it reminds me of the tenure of Jordan. The marriage didn’t work then and I don’t see it working now. I want a divorce. So in terms of the current situation, I conclude that you "aren't having it" ?
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 26, 2018 14:27:22 GMT
I have already started to tell people that this is my least season as a season ticket holder. This, psychologically speaking, is perhaps to give myself the necessary time to get used to the fact, if indeed it is to be the case. In truth my buying 4 season tickets for the last three years has been based solely on it being “what we do” and “what I have always done”, rather than for enjoyment reasons. The difficulty for me in my conclusion is in the position that supporters like Werrington take. Home and away, without fail, they’re there. For supporters like him and Suffolk they’re a different breed and I honestly doff my cap. They seem so utterly committed to the club, despite its blatant disconnect with the supporters, that they can hold their patience with Rowett far longer than I have been able to. (I haven’t read Suffolk’s latest posts so I have made an assumption) However, I feel that it is because of that disconnect that l completely wish Rowett out of his position, along with messers Scholes and Cartwright. Perhaps it is in the vein hope that it will galvanise my support once again for a club which I feel has lost its way. Through the total and rotten apathy and in the Board’s gross acceptance of what, for those of us who recognised the stench of a relegation, was written on the wall for more than two years! As far as I am concerned Rowett cannot galvanise a team, pick a team or read a game that his team is playing in. All in all he is a disloyal chancer and I want him out. I have seen more than enough now and the more I see it reminds me of the tenure of Jordan. The marriage didn’t work then and I don’t see it working now. I want a divorce. A very sad post to read. I hope you change you mind if the fortunes of the club change. That might sound like a fair weather supporter, to some of the names you mention but they should also understand that there is only so much disappointment any person can take and there are other things in life. I will always be a Stokie but respect anyone else's view on what that might mean. Regarding the subject of this thread, who you call a "chancer", I'll try not to repeat what I have said many times before above. There is a phrase in business that "people get promoted to their level of incompetence". I think Rowett may have been proficient at managing Burton and Birmingham and they squads of players they have. Managing a squad full of seasoned internationals, many of whom have played for CL clubs, and well above the level Rowett played regularly at (I know he played for Everton 4 times.) is a different kettle of fish. I'm not saying it's not possible to manage such a step up in a squad of players, after all many great managers were not great players. As to Rowett's character and record, no doubt the Stoke Board thoroughly checked him out? Like they did Imbula, Jese, Berahino (hopefully now changing) who's characters are definitely suspect. That was unfair maybe. But what about Rowett turning down Blackpool in September 2014 and turning us down last January? Does he want a tough job or a ready made one to walk into? Things went pear-shaped at Derby last season after he was given a new contract, and then he jumped ship at the first opportunity. I'm not surprised the Derby fans have the same opinion of him as many Stoke fans have of Arni. "Thanks for the pay rise and new contract - goodbye." My main criticism is the team actually start playing well (at least for a while) when we go behind or lose the lead, so why don't they try harder all of the time? Everyone loves a trier but you need to have quality and be a team player as well. McClean is a great trier, Ince is very selfish and just plays for himself, most of the time. Woods was putting great through balls all the time when he joined us, now he is as much sideways and backwards as our back 4. We have a very good squad that are just not being effectively managed by a man out of his depth.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 26, 2018 14:34:18 GMT
I have already started to tell people that this is my least season as a season ticket holder. This, psychologically speaking, is perhaps to give myself the necessary time to get used to the fact, if indeed it is to be the case. In truth my buying 4 season tickets for the last three years has been based solely on it being “what we do” and “what I have always done”, rather than for enjoyment reasons. The difficulty for me in my conclusion is in the position that supporters like Werrington take. Home and away, without fail, they’re there. For supporters like him and Suffolk they’re a different breed and I honestly doff my cap. They seem so utterly committed to the club, despite its blatant disconnect with the supporters, that they can hold their patience with Rowett far longer than I have been able to. (I haven’t read Suffolk’s latest posts so I have made an assumption) However, I feel that it is because of that disconnect that l completely wish Rowett out of his position, along with messers Scholes and Cartwright. Perhaps it is in the vein hope that it will galvanise my support once again for a club which I feel has lost its way. Through the total and rotten apathy and in the Board’s gross acceptance of what, for those of us who recognised the stench of a relegation, was written on the wall for more than two years! As far as I am concerned Rowett cannot galvanise a team, pick a team or read a game that his team is playing in. All in all he is a disloyal chancer and I want him out. I have seen more than enough now and the more I see it reminds me of the tenure of Jordan. The marriage didn’t work then and I don’t see it working now. I want a divorce. A very sad post to read. I hope you change you mind if the fortunes of the club change. That might sound like a fair weather supporter, to some of the names you mention but they should also understand that there is only so much disappointment any person can take and there are other things in life. I will always be a Stokie but respect anyone else's view on what that might mean. Regarding the subject of this thread, who you call a "chancer", I'll try not to repeat what I have said many times before above. There is a phrase in business that "people get promoted to their level of incompetence". I think Rowett may have been proficient at managing Burton and Birmingham and they squads of players they have. Managing a squad full of seasoned internationals, many of whom have played for CL clubs, and well above the level Rowett played regularly at (I know he played for Everton 4 times.) is a different kettle of fish. I'm not saying it's not possible to manage such a step up in a squad of players, after all many great managers were not great players. As to Rowett's character and record, no doubt the Stoke Board thoroughly checked him out? Like they did Imbula, Jese, Berahino (hopefully now changing) who's characters are definitely suspect. That was unfair maybe. But what about Rowett turning down Blackpool in September 2014 and turning us down last January? Does he want a tough job or a ready made one to walk into? Things went pear-shaped at Derby last season after he was given a new contract, and then he jumped ship at the first opportunity. I'm not surprised the Derby fans have the same opinion of him as many Stoke fans have of Arni. "Thanks for the pay rise and new contract - goodbye." My main criticism is the team actually start playing well (at least for a while) when we go behind or lose the lead, so why don't they try harder all of the time? Everyone loves a trier but you need to have quality and be a team player as well. McClean is a great trier, Ince is very selfish and just plays for himself, most of the time. Woods was putting great through balls all the time when he joined us, now he is as much sideways and backwards as our back 4. We have a very good squad that are just not being effectively managed by a man out of his depth. Very harsh on Ince. Without him Saturday’s game finishes 0-2.
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Post by ProctorDre on Nov 26, 2018 14:39:20 GMT
I have already started to tell people that this is my least season as a season ticket holder. This, psychologically speaking, is perhaps to give myself the necessary time to get used to the fact, if indeed it is to be the case. In truth my buying 4 season tickets for the last three years has been based solely on it being “what we do” and “what I have always done”, rather than for enjoyment reasons. The difficulty for me in my conclusion is in the position that supporters like Werrington take. Home and away, without fail, they’re there. For supporters like him and Suffolk they’re a different breed and I honestly doff my cap. They seem so utterly committed to the club, despite its blatant disconnect with the supporters, that they can hold their patience with Rowett far longer than I have been able to. (I haven’t read Suffolk’s latest posts so I have made an assumption) However, I feel that it is because of that disconnect that l completely wish Rowett out of his position, along with messers Scholes and Cartwright. Perhaps it is in the vein hope that it will galvanise my support once again for a club which I feel has lost its way. Through the total and rotten apathy and in the Board’s gross acceptance of what, for those of us who recognised the stench of a relegation, was written on the wall for more than two years! As far as I am concerned Rowett cannot galvanise a team, pick a team or read a game that his team is playing in. All in all he is a disloyal chancer and I want him out. I have seen more than enough now and the more I see it reminds me of the tenure of Jordan. The marriage didn’t work then and I don’t see it working now. I want a divorce. A very sad post to read. I hope you change you mind if the fortunes of the club change. That might sound like a fair weather supporter, to some of the names you mention but they should also understand that there is only so much disappointment any person can take and there are other things in life. I will always be a Stokie but respect anyone else's view on what that might mean. Regarding the subject of this thread, who you call a "chancer", I'll try not to repeat what I have said many times before above. There is a phrase in business that "people get promoted to their level of incompetence". I think Rowett may have been proficient at managing Burton and Birmingham and they squads of players they have. Managing a squad full of seasoned internationals, many of whom have played for CL clubs, and well above the level Rowett played regularly at (I know he played for Everton 4 times.) is a different kettle of fish. I'm not saying it's not possible to manage such a step up in a squad of players, after all many great managers were not great players. As to Rowett's character and record, no doubt the Stoke Board thoroughly checked him out? Like they did Imbula, Jese, Berahino (hopefully now changing) who's characters are definitely suspect. That was unfair maybe. But what about Rowett turning down Blackpool in September 2014 and turning us down last January? Does he want a tough job or a ready made one to walk into? Things went pear-shaped at Derby last season after he was given a new contract, and then he jumped ship at the first opportunity. I'm not surprised the Derby fans have the same opinion of him as many Stoke fans have of Arni. "Thanks for the pay rise and new contract - goodbye." My main criticism is the team actually start playing well (at least for a while) when we go behind or lose the lead, so why don't they try harder all of the time? Everyone loves a trier but you need to have quality and be a team player as well. McClean is a great trier, Ince is very selfish and just plays for himself, most of the time. Woods was putting great through balls all the time when he joined us, now he is as much sideways and backwards as our back 4. We have a very good squad that are just not being effectively managed by a man out of his depth. Harsh on Ince IMO... I don't think he's selfish, I think he's actually very frustrated by the lack of movement and footballing intelligence from most of his team mates. I'd like to see him play in more of a number 10 role, rather than further out wide also. Looks a lot more dangerous when he's central.
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Post by Onneravineet on Nov 26, 2018 15:50:23 GMT
[/quote]Harsh on Ince IMO...
I don't think he's selfish, I think he's actually very frustrated by the lack of movement and footballing intelligence from most of his team mates.
I'd like to see him play in more of a number 10 role, rather than further out wide also. Looks a lot more dangerous when he's central.[/quote]
I think he would be better suited as the striker actually. I too think he is selfish, which is a trait of a successful front man. However, we could play Shearer up top and he’d get fuck all service in this Rowett set up!
Coming back from a goal down, as often as we do, tells me that the team reacts and performs in spite of the manager. Rowett’s original game plan and set up simply anner worked again and again but the guy isn’t learning. Mama was sat at the back of us on Satdee, he’d walk into this team. We have ZERO presence up top and the answer absolutely isn’t an isolated Saido, who run his socks off. I would play him or Afobe in front of Bojan who needs to be at number 10 week in week out.
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