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Post by knotfm on Sept 23, 2018 10:18:36 GMT
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Post by pulismaskreplica on Sept 23, 2018 10:31:31 GMT
Is there any point changing the manager again when the same issues remain. Scholes and Cartwright are still at the club along with the ‘process’. Butland, Shawcross, BMI and Pieters are still here and are a massive reason why we are so shoddy defensively - Rowett is the 3rd manager that is having the same issues getting a cohesive unit out of this bunch who collectively fail us time and time again.
Changing the manager is not solving the problem
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 10:52:21 GMT
Something is very very wrong behind the scenes at Stoke City FC.
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Post by magwitch on Sept 23, 2018 11:10:54 GMT
Naturally I am disappointed with yesterday's result, but even more so at the nature of the match which saw it develop into a game of two halves, one being 80 minutes long and the remaining part of the second half which lasted not much longer than 10 minutes. During this last period we had to witness the extraordinary spectacle of Berahino missing his fifth penalty in a row and throwing away a chance to draw the game. Obviously Berahino should not be taking penalties with his horrendous record. On the other hand, Stoke did not seem to have a regular penalty taker on the pitch. You would expect any striker worth his salt to bury most penalties without difficulty. Moreover the volume of abuse on this board levelled at Gary Rowett after this game is ludicrous and misdirected in my opinion. No doubt he has made mistakes, but his defenders let him down badly yesterday and deserve to be dropped. He has joined a club which appears to be in turmoil behind the scenes and the whole scenario must have been a surprise to him. Apparently Peter Coates gave in to the wishes of Jon Coates in agreeing the offer of the job. Perhaps this is still a bone of contention between the pair of them, while Teflon Tony and his sidekick are doing who knows what in the wings. I can only inagine that any manager would struggle in this situation, and if this is allowed to continue it would be impossible to replace Gary Rowett with anyone of similar or better standing in the game. Mark Hughes was recorded as saying 'who else would take this job' suggesting that the problems at Stoke were already known in the game nearly one year ago. The team's main prblem is in central defence, where three experienced centrehalves are not enough. With both Shawcross and BMI playing badly and looking injury prone, they face a nerve-wracking time until they can bring in reinforcements; possibly Caulker if he doesn't go to Ukraine or waiting until the next transfer window. Souter might be a solution, but he will not be given time to settle in and has to hit the ground running. For a comparatively young up and coming manager, i don't see anyone who is better than Rowett (maybe Potter?)and still think Stoke are lucky to have him. What is needed is the thorough overhaul promised by Peter Coates in the summer.....including himself, as he has been part of the problem and still is IMHO.
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Post by Billybigbollox on Sept 23, 2018 12:49:37 GMT
After an 11 hour round trip to watch that garbage, I find it difficult to put into words (without using expletives) just how frustrating it is watching Stoke at the moment. Rowett doesn’t seem to know his best team, the same old mistakes are being made by the same old players and it just saps the enthusiasm from the crowd. If they carry on as they are Rowett will be gone by Christmas and the players will have to get used to being booed off at half time. I was like so many others yesterday. I felt that cold acceptance that we have seen all this shite before under Hughes and Lambert and that it’s Groundhog Day all over again. If this manager is as enthusiastic about reading the Oatie as Hughes allegedly was then maybe he should take a few pointers from the fans as to what is wrong with this team, because we’ve been saying for several seasons that we need cover in both full back positions and that Ryan is not the player he was. After listening to the post match interview yesterday I would guess that Ryan is in for a rest. Maybe Rowett could appoint a captain that inspires his team mates and gives a little more leadership that has been sadly lacking in our team of late. Oh and keep Berahino away from any bloody penalties. Whatever possessed them to let him take that yesterday? We have missed 6 out of our last 7 pens.....Shocking .
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 23, 2018 13:03:32 GMT
How many times do we have to watch these same names in our back line capitulate, this is not a recent thing! How long before we are giving federici & the young lads a go? We are in danger of the bright new signings becoming demoralised.
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Post by onepara on Sept 23, 2018 14:42:38 GMT
This is all in line with Coate's aim of down-grading the wage bill & running costs of the club. That's why we are still seeing these useless players playing for us. It would cost too much to get rid of them & re[place with better, that doesn't fit the plan of cutting costs. Anyone who knows Coates of old has seen this before. I think that the Prem got to costly for him. Not that he can't afford it, of course. Once we got to those 9th places in the Prem he knew that to go higher would mean a large input of money for better players, wages, etc., So I reckon that 'the family' took the decision to let the club find it's own level on the money spent up to that point. Arny said that the club had no ambition, & that is what he saw from the inside. Look at
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Post by jeycov on Sept 23, 2018 14:48:50 GMT
After an 11 hour round trip to watch that garbage, I find it difficult to put into words (without using expletives) just how frustrating it is watching Stoke at the moment. Rowett doesn’t seem to know his best team, the same old mistakes are being made by the same old players and it just saps the enthusiasm from the crowd. If they carry on as they are Rowett will be gone by Christmas and the players will have to get used to being booed off at half time. I was like so many others yesterday. I felt that cold acceptance that we have seen all this shite before under Hughes and Lambert and that it’s Groundhog Day all over again. If this manager is as enthusiastic about reading the Oatie as Hughes allegedly was then maybe he should take a few pointers from the fans as to what is wrong with this team, because we’ve been saying for several seasons that we need cover in both full back positions and that Ryan is not the player he was. After listening to the post match interview yesterday I would guess that Ryan is in for a rest. Maybe Rowett could appoint a captain that inspires his team mates and gives a little more leadership that has been sadly lacking in our team of late. Oh and keep Berahino away from any bloody penalties. Whatever possessed them to let him take that yesterday? We have missed 6 out of our last 7 pens.....Shocking . Choice of captain will reveal a lot about Rowetts plans for the future
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Post by onepara on Sept 23, 2018 14:50:30 GMT
(Oops, hit the wrong key). Look at West Ham, & the players that he has around him now, including Yarmolenko, a player that could have joined us. Can anyone blame him for taking the move.
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Post by fca47 on Sept 23, 2018 15:13:17 GMT
Just saying we have the worst defenders isn't enough, even Lambert managed to tighten it up, the whole team is just a shambles with no plan or discipline.
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Post by kustokie on Sept 23, 2018 16:15:13 GMT
Hi Russ and Ange. Coming over in October for the Birmigham match and I still owe you a drink. The way things are going we’ll be easy to pick out - we be the only two in the stands! What a mess.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Sept 23, 2018 16:38:55 GMT
One word to describe yesterday...atrocious.
No wonder people left early, including myself, when you witness the effort put in on the pitch.
Cant think of any other job where you can get away with putting in a lack of effort.
If football was a 15 minute game we might be half decent but I doubt it with our defence.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 23, 2018 16:56:35 GMT
I’ve not been as angry as that coming out of a game as I was yesterday for a long time.Having accepted defeat at 3-0 and sadly coming to terms with another dreadful 75/80 minutes we were then given a chance to get an undeserved point and amazingly three. How can a striker miss 5 consecutive penalties😡Yes he had the balls to take it but he should have been nowhere near it.That said that’s the least of our many problems. As Orange Juice once sang “rip it up and start again” and that should apply to whole defensive set up at the moment.Ive finally accepted that Ryan is past it(begrudgingly) and along with Pieters who imo has never ever been good enough should be dropped from now on.BMI is also on borrowed time for me but we just haven’t got the cover to drop them all. As for the Rowett interview the only thing I didn’t agree with was him stating some of the defenders needed booing but apart from that I think it might be the kick up the arse the club/players need.The next few games will tell us if the players are behind Rowett or not after his outburst.As for Bauer I really don’t get what all the fuss is about where he’s concerned because his defending is poor at best.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 17:11:59 GMT
Once we got to those 9th places in the Prem he knew that to go higher would mean a large input of money for better players, wages, etc., So I reckon that 'the family' took the decision to let the club find it's own level on the money spent up to that point. Arny said that the club had no ambition, & that is what he saw from the inside. Although none of us mere mortals know exactly what goes on inside the club - your summary above makes total sense to me and none of the other explanations really "fits". It also exactly explains why LMH lost interest and let complacency set in.
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Post by woodin43 on Sept 23, 2018 17:39:33 GMT
If Shawcross is dropped, who would you have as Captain? I think Woods could do a job there next week, but I think he is cup tied for Wed.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Sept 23, 2018 17:42:01 GMT
If Shawcross is dropped, who would you have as Captain? I think Woods could do a job there next week, but I think he is cup tied for Wed. Butland, Love how wonderful people think Woods is, hes been great since he came, but wait till he has a bad match, watch the fans turn.
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Post by potter25 on Sept 23, 2018 17:46:26 GMT
The board for me have 2 choices..
Remove Rowett now and start over or write off this season and give him more time sort it
We’re not going up this year
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Post by woodin43 on Sept 23, 2018 17:48:26 GMT
Fair point Chesterfieldstokie...Butland might as well be in midfield with the amount of times he is passed back to.
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Post by Ygor on Sept 23, 2018 17:58:13 GMT
I feel we are lacking strong leadership off the pitch at all levels as well as on the pitch. I expect a team captain to dictate who takes penalties using common sense and informed judgement based on what's gone on in training. I expect any striker to be able to put 80-90% of their penalties away and training should without doubt include penalty taking so that whoever is on the pitch at the time, there is a tried and tested penalty taker. I expect a spade to be called a spade but I have to say, I don't condone a manager washing his dirty linen in public. I left yesterday after the 3rd goal went in because I simply couldn't watch any more of the dross after I had given so much of my money and time to the club. I'm totally disillusioned at the moment.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 23, 2018 18:01:13 GMT
There are numerous posts on the Blackburn forum describing us as Blackburn of 5 years ago in the championship under Steve Kean.Now that is very very concerning to me because at that time they were utterly dreadful and going nowhere apart from League One
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Post by potterspele on Sept 23, 2018 18:02:00 GMT
Rowett has opened pandora's box with that interview, definitely feels like a watershed moment one way or another. Looks more like he's going to end up isolating himself from the team though, I suspect he's put one foot into the exit door already after that (sounded like Nige thought the same).
No doubt at all the defence is the problem, they are playing appallingly. The question is why? Combination of poor form, no confidence but also surely the coaching needs scrutinizing as well. Wind back to last season, Lambert, for all his faults, did manage to organise the defence and get a tune out of them. If he had the current striker I suspect we would have sneaked it and stayed up.
They are not a complete lost cause, they definitely need confidence and organising to coach the mistakes out but it really doesn't seem like either of those things are happening with Rowett. Listening to him stick the boot in was a sad experience, again it's another example of him nailing the players post match. How many times can you do that before they stop listening?
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Sept 23, 2018 18:09:19 GMT
To quote Green is ridiculous, he wanted Jon Walters out for how many years?? Even a broken clock is correct twice a day!!!!!!!
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Post by meirman61 on Sept 23, 2018 18:11:25 GMT
Well there you have it, years and years of a non contact sport in the money mad league has spoilt many a centre-half
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Post by stokemark on Sept 23, 2018 18:14:26 GMT
Angela's comments that Rowetts signings are 'average Championship players' is to a point true but look how many of them are actually failed Premier League players.
Afobe, Ince, Maclean, Martina, Williams and Clucas have all played at a higher level but have all failed in recent times for one reason or another.
Add that to the list of players who took us down and we wonder why we have an issue ?
Ryan Woods has been a shining light in a period of gloom and he is exactly the type of player we should have signed more of - young, hungry and with a point to prove.
I simply don't understand the logic behind the approach and we could / should have balanced out the squad with players suited to this level of football and who have the raw energy and desire to pull us out of the mess we are in.
Bottom line is we have the wrong manager (he signed them) and the wrong players and I do not see how the situation can easily be remedied
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 23, 2018 18:24:04 GMT
Ange do you know if the Pieters post match interview was from yesterday or many of the same ones last season😄
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Post by Billybigbollox on Sept 23, 2018 18:26:45 GMT
Everyone else sees what is going wrong at Stoke. It shouldn’t be a problem Rowett saying what everyone else is saying in the stands. It’s about time we had some honesty. I don’t blame him for having a moment of truth. I would just like him to make the changes that we all know have been needed for some while. Go on Stoke.
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Post by woodin43 on Sept 23, 2018 18:33:28 GMT
Pretty soon, SCFC will stand for Santa Claus Football Club because of the amount of goals we gift.
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Post by chamberlain on Sept 23, 2018 18:34:07 GMT
What sweets were you opening during Rowetts interview .
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Post by Billybigbollox on Sept 23, 2018 18:40:14 GMT
Listening to The Manager there he is being honest about how he sees the game yesterday. We all probably agree with his sentiments. However the same response could be played after most of our games this season and last. What we need is action not sentiment. We need a manager who manages and creates change when things are not going right and players on the pitch who want to play for that manager. There seems to be a lot of antipathy in the team currently and it is up to him to stir up a little energy and motivate the players. The problem is that I don’t think we have quality in the squad to replace the weaknesses in the first 11.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 23, 2018 18:42:43 GMT
Anything to report from the meeting yesterday Ange?
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