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Post by wakefieldstokie on Oct 1, 2018 12:11:13 GMT
Who's Sam Clucas?
:-)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 12:18:20 GMT
Could we play him at left back with Erik at centre half? I'm not claiming this to be a long term solution but he isn't massively slow, his tackling stats are always highly impressive and he's reasonably strong in the air too. He wouldn't be Beckenbauer but I also struggle to envision him being worse than our current options, him next to Shawcross maybe?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 12:22:06 GMT
If he continues to play like he did at Rotherham there's no need to move Pieters from left back he was excellent.
My preferred option would be to just keep working and working and working the defence on the training ground until some of these defensive errors disappear from our game. Until January I don't think Rowett has much of a choice, we were better defensively at the weekend albeit we switched off twice. Time to do it for 90 minutes against Bolton......
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Oct 1, 2018 12:27:29 GMT
If he continues to play like he did at Rotherham there's no need to move Pieters from left back he was excellent. My preferred option would be to just keep working and working and working the defence on the training ground until some of these defensive errors disappear from our game. Until January I don't think Rowett has much of a choice, we were better defensively at the weekend albeit we switched off twice. Time to do it for 90 minutes against Bolton...... Think Pieters had a goo game at Rotherham because they barely attacked and when they did most of it was ariel.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 12:48:10 GMT
Of the current defenders, Pieters is less of a worry than Martina, Shawcross, BMI, or Williams.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 12:58:36 GMT
Of the current defenders, Pieters is less of a worry than Martina, Shawcross, BMI, or Williams. Which is why we should stick him centrally if we can, because that's a more important position and the players we have there are shambolic.
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Post by jezzascfc on Oct 1, 2018 13:01:00 GMT
I'd like to look at Erik as the left sided of a back three, and Clucas or McClean could play left wing back. Put Martina on the right of the three and then we just have to work out which of the three Keystone Kops centre halves could manage the middle role least poorly.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Oct 1, 2018 13:01:55 GMT
Of the current defenders, Pieters is less of a worry than Martina, Shawcross, BMI, or Williams. Which is why we should stick him centrally if we can, because that's a more important position and the players we have there are shambolic. Moving a player that's doing okay to a position he's never played for us in... I'm sorry, I don't like your logic.
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Post by Gods on Oct 1, 2018 13:02:04 GMT
Waiting for Clucot !
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 13:13:08 GMT
Which is why we should stick him centrally if we can, because that's a more important position and the players we have there are shambolic. Moving a player that's doing okay to a position he's never played for us in... I'm sorry, I don't like your logic. I mean it's pretty simple, we have no good centre halves and when Clucas is fit we have two good left backs. Of the two good left backs one seemingly has all of the traits needed to be a reasonable centre half. When you're leaking 2 or 3 goals every single game I don't think there's a massive risk associated with trying something new. What's your logic? Give up and accept you're going to have a shit defence till January? This is the time to try stuff, when we have nothing to lose.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Oct 1, 2018 13:43:27 GMT
Moving a player that's doing okay to a position he's never played for us in... I'm sorry, I don't like your logic. I mean it's pretty simple, we have no good centre halves and when Clucas is fit we have two good left backs. Of the two good left backs one seemingly has all of the traits needed to be a reasonable centre half. When you're leaking 2 or 3 goals every single game I don't think there's a massive risk associated with trying something new. What's your logic? Give up and accept you're going to have a shit defence till January? This is the time to try stuff, when we have nothing to lose. My logic is not making things even worse by putting yet another square peg in a round hole, sorry if my logic is a bit left field.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 13:48:29 GMT
I mean it's pretty simple, we have no good centre halves and when Clucas is fit we have two good left backs. Of the two good left backs one seemingly has all of the traits needed to be a reasonable centre half. When you're leaking 2 or 3 goals every single game I don't think there's a massive risk associated with trying something new. What's your logic? Give up and accept you're going to have a shit defence till January? This is the time to try stuff, when we have nothing to lose. My logic is not making things even worse by putting yet another square peg in a round hole, sorry if my logic is a bit left field. We already look comically bad at defending, we'd do well to look much worse. Agree to disagree.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 13:53:49 GMT
If he continues to play like he did at Rotherham there's no need to move Pieters from left back he was excellent. My preferred option would be to just keep working and working and working the defence on the training ground until some of these defensive errors disappear from our game. Until January I don't think Rowett has much of a choice, we were better defensively at the weekend albeit we switched off twice. Time to do it for 90 minutes against Bolton...... Think Pieters had a goo game at Rotherham because they barely attacked and when they did most of it was ariel. He was good going forward as well including 2/3 quality crosses....
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 1, 2018 14:10:32 GMT
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Post by greenhoff on Oct 1, 2018 15:40:20 GMT
Where are you going to play him Gary?
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Post by jimmygscfc on Oct 1, 2018 15:46:46 GMT
Clucas will mean the end of Fletcher and Adam on the bench hopefully. He can also cover if Erik was injured in a game, but he's NOT a left back, he's a left sided or central midfielder.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Oct 1, 2018 15:49:14 GMT
He needs to specify WHICH international break!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 18:12:22 GMT
I mean it's pretty simple, we have no good centre halves and when Clucas is fit we have two good left backs. Of the two good left backs one seemingly has all of the traits needed to be a reasonable centre half. When you're leaking 2 or 3 goals every single game I don't think there's a massive risk associated with trying something new. What's your logic? Give up and accept you're going to have a shit defence till January? This is the time to try stuff, when we have nothing to lose. My logic is not making things even worse by putting yet another square peg in a round hole, sorry if my logic is a bit left field. Wasn't Pieters a Centre Back by trade, before we started playing him at LB?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Oct 1, 2018 18:16:21 GMT
My logic is not making things even worse by putting yet another square peg in a round hole, sorry if my logic is a bit left field. Wasn't Pieters a Centre Back by trade, before we started playing him at LB? Nah.
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Post by nonameface on Oct 1, 2018 19:09:42 GMT
For me this season is shut integrating Clucas into the team and selling Joe Allen in one of the next two windows; fingers crossed in January
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Post by silverdollar on Oct 2, 2018 8:48:12 GMT
For me this season is shut integrating Clucas into the team and selling Joe Allen in one of the next two windows; fingers crossed in January Joe Allen will be going nowhere! He is and has always been one of our best players and can always be relied upon to influence the game positively. Any spectator who cannot see how important Allen is to the team does not understand football
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Oct 2, 2018 8:53:08 GMT
For me this season is shut integrating Clucas into the team and selling Joe Allen in one of the next two windows; fingers crossed in January Joe Allen will be going nowhere! He is and has always been one of our best players and can always be relied upon to influence the game positively. Any spectator who cannot see how important Allen is to the team does not understand football the old if you don’t agree with me you do “...not understand football” chestnut. The arrogance of it. Do you understand subjectivity?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 11:21:40 GMT
For me this season is shut integrating Clucas into the team and selling Joe Allen in one of the next two windows; fingers crossed in January Joe Allen will be going nowhere! He is and has always been one of our best players and can always be relied upon to influence the game positively. Any spectator who cannot see how important Allen is to the team does not understand football He's important to the team when he plays well. He's a liability when he doesn't. As for this season, he's had one game, vs Rotherham, where he's been good. The rest he's been dross mostly.
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Post by lordb on Oct 2, 2018 11:25:30 GMT
Wasn't Pieters a Centre Back by trade, before we started playing him at LB? Nah. played for Holland at Centre back
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Post by Absolution on Oct 2, 2018 11:29:25 GMT
played for Holland at Centre back He'd played there, but without checking the stats, I know that when he signed, all the reports described him as a left back.
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Post by realstokebloke on Oct 2, 2018 13:14:57 GMT
Abundantly clear we signed him because we could get a deal on him and were 'happy' to let him recuperate for however long.
The fact that people are (rightly) trying to fit him in at LB as a possible solution to at least one of our defensive issues asap, also tells us that our crack (yes, there was an " r " in that) transfer team have had their fingers up their arriss' for far too long and completely overlooked the fact that we have been terrible at the back for some considerable time.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Oct 2, 2018 16:56:20 GMT
Just watched highlights of the Swansea arse game last year when he played left mid.
Looked a cracking player. Hope he's still the same
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Post by nonameface on Oct 2, 2018 18:52:58 GMT
For me this season is shut integrating Clucas into the team and selling Joe Allen in one of the next two windows; fingers crossed in January Joe Allen will be going nowhere! He is and has always been one of our best players and can always be relied upon to influence the game positively. Any spectator who cannot see how important Allen is to the team does not understand football Having seen this response I must admit I've changed my mind, especially with the reasoning behind it, makes complete sense, thank you. I can tell that without mentioning it you are referring to; his ability to dictate the tempo, select the right pass, win headers, win tackles, score goals, provide assists, offer structure and be disciplined. Generally the complete package...
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Post by kronkie on Oct 3, 2018 15:41:14 GMT
Although I wasn't that impressed with the performance last night I cannot see where he is going to fit in.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Oct 3, 2018 15:43:44 GMT
Although I wasn't that impressed with the performance last night I cannot see where he is going to fit in. EH?
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