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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 12, 2018 22:19:47 GMT
Again though, the logic is very fuzzy isn’t it? We’re a winger down, so let’s take someone who isn’t a winger, and is currently playing well in his current position, out of that position to play on the wing? Despite him possessing none of the attributes to succeed there? I still haven't said that Berahino should play there... So what’s your point exactly, again? You don’t think Berahino should play there but you see the logic in the OP’s suggestion that we cram a square peg out there? |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 12, 2018 22:27:47 GMT
Saido is shite.
A bit like rowett really, this season's efforts are seen as being good because he was so shit previously.
He was hopeless v wba and even his so called recent good performances, in truth, have been fairly shit.
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Post by bertiestan on Sept 12, 2018 22:52:04 GMT
Saido is shite. A bit like rowett really, this season's efforts are seen as being good because he was so shit previously. He was hopeless v wba and even his so called recent good performances, in truth, have been fairly shit. What a chipper soul you are |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 0:41:56 GMT
I still haven't said that Berahino should play there... So what’s your point exactly, again? You don’t think Berahino should play there but you see the logic in the OP’s suggestion that we cram a square peg out there? No, nothing like that. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 1:03:09 GMT
No If we haven't got a winger play a system that does without a winger. Clucas is a left sided midfielder - play him on the left in a more withdrawn role and push Berahino forward and inside to support the main striker where he'll be of more use. And regardless of your opinion of him as a person he's actually been one of the successes of this season so far. Adapt the system to the available players rather than players to the system that doesn't suit them. As far as I know Clucas hasn't gained full fitness. He might play a part, but not 90 min. I think your basic idea of adapting the system to the players available has some merit, but it's not a perfect solution. Just look at the trouble England without wingers are facing when they're up against a team of quality. I'm sort of hoping Rowett will play Bojan there even though I'm against playing Bojan in that position.But with the manager, and some fans, currently seeing league goalless Berahino as the wonder boy ten, there is no space in the middle available for Bojan there. At least as a starting point. I'm hoping there will be some flexibility in the system, as Bojan is not a winger, and even Rowett has stated that he knows Bojan will drift inside in search of the ball. Then there's the problem that neither Bojan nor Berahino are especially known for their defensive abilities, but a team as ours tend to depend on wingers to take part in the first line of defence. We know we can depend on Diouf to do that, so he might get another chance on the left with Ince on the right or the other way round again with some flexibility. But that doesn't bode well for our attack provided we play with a centre forward and not someone just standing still waiting for the long ball out of defence. Whoever plays will be isolated for long periods of time. I don't think there's a perfect solution, and whoever gets to play there, will probably be murdered in the Oatcake fanzine, metaphorically speaking of course. Berahino as one of the successes of the season so far. He's like a non-succeeding success, if you like. The only reason he can be called that is because everyone else has been abject failure. His actual contribution in terms of assists, shots, and decisive passes is extremely limited, not to mention the fact that, caraboa cup aside, he still does not have a league goal to his name. But if you wish five successive league games this season is probably five more than most people expected or hoped for. |
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Post by kustokie on Sept 13, 2018 2:27:22 GMT
No If we haven't got a winger play a system that does without a winger. Clucas is a left sided midfielder - play him on the left in a more withdrawn role and push Berahino forward and inside to support the main striker where he'll be of more use. And regardless of your opinion of him as a person he's actually been one of the successes of this season so far. Adapt the system to the available players rather than players to the system that doesn't suit them. As far as I know Clucas hasn't gained full fitness. He might play a part, but not 90 min. I think your basic idea of adapting the system to the players available has some merit, but it's not a perfect solution. Just look at the trouble England without wingers are facing when they're up against a team of quality. I'm sort of hoping Rowett will play Bojan there even though I'm against playing Bojan in that position.But with the manager, and some fans, currently seeing league goalless Berahino as the wonder boy ten, there is no space in the middle available for Bojan there. At least as a starting point. I'm hoping there will be some flexibility in the system, as Bojan is not a winger, and even Rowett has stated that he knows Bojan will drift inside in search of the ball. Then there's the problem that neither Bojan nor Berahino are especially known for their defensive abilities, but a team as ours tend to depend on wingers to take part in the first line of defence. We know we can depend on Diouf to do that, so he might get another chance on the left with Ince on the right or the other way round again with some flexibility. But that doesn't bode well for our attack provided we play with a centre forward and not someone just standing still waiting for the long ball out of defence. Whoever plays will be isolated for long periods of time. I don't think there's a perfect solution, and whoever gets to play there, will probably be murdered in the Oatcake fanzine, metaphorically speaking of course. Berahino as one of the successes of the season so far. He's like a non-succeeding success, if you like. The only reason he can be called that is because everyone else has been abject failure. His actual contribution in terms of assists, shots, and decisive passes is extremely limited, not to mention the fact that, caraboa cup aside, he still does not have a league goal to his name. But if you wish five successive league games this season is probably five more than most people expected or hoped for. Success - that’s a bit Trumpian. One goal in six games is not my idea of success for a 15 million striker. How would you define failure? |
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 13, 2018 4:52:53 GMT
With McClean out and also to make room for Bojan, could Saido play on the wing? I certainly think our team could benefit from the creativity we then install in our team. ................................Butland................................. Bauer..............Shawcross..............Indi..................Clucas ..........................Woods.......Etebo.............................. Ince............................Bojan...........................Berahino ................................Afobe................................... No room for Allen!!!????  Were you an advocate for muniesa for midfield by any chance? Round pegs in square holes springs to mind Rob Think I was more of an advocate of getting rid to be honest!  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 5:33:46 GMT
As far as I know Clucas hasn't gained full fitness. He might play a part, but not 90 min. I think your basic idea of adapting the system to the players available has some merit, but it's not a perfect solution. Just look at the trouble England without wingers are facing when they're up against a team of quality. I'm sort of hoping Rowett will play Bojan there even though I'm against playing Bojan in that position.But with the manager, and some fans, currently seeing league goalless Berahino as the wonder boy ten, there is no space in the middle available for Bojan there. At least as a starting point. I'm hoping there will be some flexibility in the system, as Bojan is not a winger, and even Rowett has stated that he knows Bojan will drift inside in search of the ball. Then there's the problem that neither Bojan nor Berahino are especially known for their defensive abilities, but a team as ours tend to depend on wingers to take part in the first line of defence. We know we can depend on Diouf to do that, so he might get another chance on the left with Ince on the right or the other way round again with some flexibility. But that doesn't bode well for our attack provided we play with a centre forward and not someone just standing still waiting for the long ball out of defence. Whoever plays will be isolated for long periods of time. I don't think there's a perfect solution, and whoever gets to play there, will probably be murdered in the Oatcake fanzine, metaphorically speaking of course. Berahino as one of the successes of the season so far. He's like a non-succeeding success, if you like. The only reason he can be called that is because everyone else has been abject failure. His actual contribution in terms of assists, shots, and decisive passes is extremely limited, not to mention the fact that, caraboa cup aside, he still does not have a league goal to his name. But if you wish five successive league games this season is probably five more than most people expected or hoped for. Success - that’s a bit Trumpian. One goal in six games is not my idea of success for a 15 million striker. How would you define failure? It was CBUFAWKIPWH that claimed Berahino was a success. I don't think he is, he's just the flavour of the month for some odd reason. He's the emperor without clothes. Our failure is that as we got ourselves relegated we set ourselves the target to go straight up. Instead we are headed for a second successive demotion, and one we deserve because we have learned nothing from last year, and the new man believes in some of the most failing among our number, such as Shawcross. That's failure. |
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Post by Rick Grimes on Sept 13, 2018 7:15:23 GMT
Ince on the left and Diouf on the right. I know Diouf is a striker but he’s played out wide far more than Berahino. And is just as shocking as Bera would be. Diouf would be far from ideal but he’d provide better defensive cover for the full back, is far more likely to win headers at the back post and has put in a decent cross at times, he’s also slightly quicker. To say he’d be just as shocking as Bera out wide just isn’t true. |
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Post by potterpaul on Sept 13, 2018 7:55:16 GMT
no if I was picking a team for Sat it would be something like Jack Martina Bruno / Ryan Pieters / Williams / Bruno Bauer / Edwards Woods Etobe/ Allen Bojan Clucas / Pieters Ince Berahino / Afobe So practically the whole squad in with a chance? |
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 13, 2018 8:18:10 GMT
Saido is shite. A bit like rowett really, this season's efforts are seen as being good because he was so shit previously. He was hopeless v wba and even his so called recent good performances, in truth, have been fairly shit. Thank goodness for that, I thought that I must have completely lost the plot based on some of the Berahino posts on here. |
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Post by Roger Everyone on Sept 13, 2018 8:48:12 GMT
He isn't totally crap, just crap. People think he has improved? On what, being totally crap. I would rather see a youngster getting games than wasting time on him in the team.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 13, 2018 8:50:35 GMT
no if I was picking a team for Sat it would be something like Jack Martina Bruno / Ryan Pieters / Williams / Bruno Bauer / Edwards Woods Etobe/ Allen Bojan Clucas / Pieters Ince Berahino / Afobe So practically the whole squad in with a chance? Well they all have to play sometime , point was really about having a more positive system If I had a choice Id go 5-3-2 Jack Ryan Bruno Erik Bauer Etebo Woods Bojan Clucas Afobe Berahino As an eleven to start and see hoe they got on for a few games |
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