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Post by The Drunken Communist on Sept 12, 2018 16:05:08 GMT
OK. Look again at the cartoon. If you can try to focus just on the face ignoring all other areas of the drawing. Could you really say that this is a caricature of Serena Williams? Does it exaggerate her features? No this is actually caricaturing a race of people using disgusting racial stereotypes taken from the "Jim Crow " era of 19th America when racial segregation was enforced in society. Yes I agree with your point about the cartoonists depiction of Serenas opponent. So the buffoon has slurred both of them. How do you feel about this one?
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Post by stokie66 on Sept 12, 2018 17:04:18 GMT
OK. Look again at the cartoon. If you can try to focus just on the face ignoring all other areas of the drawing. Could you really say that this is a caricature of Serena Williams? Does it exaggerate her features? No this is actually caricaturing a race of people using disgusting racial stereotypes taken from the "Jim Crow " era of 19th America when racial segregation was enforced in society. Yes I agree with your point about the cartoonists depiction of Serenas opponent. So the buffoon has slurred both of them. How do you feel about this one? Exactly the same
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Post by felonious on Sept 12, 2018 17:26:41 GMT
I'm not sure whether you follow tennis at all but Serena Williams has constantly talked about motherhood, "moms" since her comeback. I absolutely appreciate that she had an incredibly hard birth and is undoubtably beyond question a proud parent but there was something slightly uncomfortable about the constant references which seemed like an excuse for potential failure although she has had an incredibly successful comeback. The dummy I believe is a clever reference to months of constant baby comments. As for the bodily caricature she looks like a bodybuilder compared to almost every other female player in her time on the circuit and before therefore squashing that frame into a vision of jumping up and down on a racquet, throwing her dummy out, would surely produce that cartoon vision of her. Are you suggesting this meltdown is a cover for the fact she hasn't returned to her best? They've not really made an attempt to make it look like Serena though, have they? There are clear stereotypes there. Her meltdowns are well evidenced over the length of her career which is the reason I don't find her endearing. I suspect it's to do with intimidating umpires and disrupting opponents.
If you asked a hundred people who was being represented in the cartoon I also suspect a high number would get the correct answer.
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Post by felonious on Sept 12, 2018 17:33:58 GMT
The crowd were cheering her on because she was correct in her comments. Since the incident male tennis players have backed Serena and stated that they have said worse things on the court and not received similar punishment . So she is a vile person for making a valid point. Martina Navratilova's take on it, ref was harsh but his actions were technically correct... linkety linkApparently, commentating on US TV warned before the loss of the game that another infringement would result in the loss of a game. She is a quite simply an awful loser (mainly because she's just not used to losing) and mentioning she has a child was pathetic, because her actions were no kind of example to set for any child. She wanted to win, couldn't handle not winning and couldn't deal with not winning. That's a decent article.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Sept 12, 2018 18:09:21 GMT
I don't want to defend Serena as I'm far from being a fan of her tennis or attitude and the punishment was entirely justified. What's missing in the dialogue above is that she believes (and I've seen nothing to contradict her) that if the same action had been taken by a male player, the punishment would not have been as severe. If that's true, (and I cannot judge that either way), then her comments afterwards about sexism are correct. Yes. Then let's have the ladies play those five sets as well. It's ordinarily in response to this suggestion in the tennis prize money equality debate that someone from Women's tennis will reply that you can't expect female tennis players to potnentially play 5 sets like the men as "t's like comparing apples with oranges....😂
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Sept 12, 2018 18:18:36 GMT
It's something the Americans specialise in. If I had to try to name the biggest culprits for intimidating umpires it would be S Williams, McEnroe and Tarrango. Sharapova's got some history as well but her training was in the USA. Jimmy Connors could also vent like a good 'Un on occasion.I think rage was definitely Mcenroe's muse,he seemed to need to get angry to achieve those levels of brilliance he was capable of.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Sept 12, 2018 19:01:00 GMT
What about this one of Mick Jagger & Keith Richards?
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Post by stokie66 on Sept 12, 2018 19:16:34 GMT
What about this one of Mick Jagger & Keith Richards? DC . These two images are not based on racial stereotypes from the 19th century which were used to entrench segregation and inequality. I have made my point on this matter so I think we will have to agree to disagree.
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Sept 12, 2018 19:26:23 GMT
Yes. Then let's have the ladies play those five sets as well. It's ordinarily in response to this suggestion in the tennis prize money equality debate that someone from Women's tennis will reply that you can't expect female tennis players to potnentially play 5 sets like the men as "t's like comparing apples with oranges....😂 In defense of the women in tennis, I've always thought the Wimbledon Ladies' trophy plate was dog shit when compared to the Gentlemen's trophy. Really, a serving platter?
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Sept 12, 2018 20:17:57 GMT
It's ordinarily in response to this suggestion in the tennis prize money equality debate that someone from Women's tennis will reply that you can't expect female tennis players to potnentially play 5 sets like the men as "t's like comparing apples with oranges....😂 In defense of the women in tennis, I've always thought the Wimbledon Ladies' trophy plate was dog shit when compared to the Gentlemen's trophy. Really, a serving platter? I used to think of it as a shit Charity Shield...
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 12, 2018 20:51:15 GMT
I've only just seen this cartoon... it's pretty reprehensible. It's not particularly funny and it's not particularly clever. Whether it's racist, well, it's certainly on the line (shit pun), isn't it? It's 100% sexist and I'm amazed that people (albeit not many) are arguing that. The whole motivation is the fact it's a female tennis player having a bit of a strop. We never saw cartoons mocking Andre Agassi or Pete Sampras or John McEnroe or even Andy Murray who has been partial to a meltdown or two over the years. It seems the author felt it was funny because it was a woman losing her shit, instead of a male. You're 100% sure it was motivated by sexism? Despite there being basically.. nothing to indicate it? It's almost unheard of for a player to get even a point penalty, never mind a whole game because of *three* code violations in a slam final. But you think the only plausible reason it got this attention is because she's a woman? Regarding the male tennis players, you clearly never saw spitting image. Just google John McEnroe parody ffs. It's also pretty 'shamey' if you get me? The other woman is slim, small and almost beautified (by having white skn, blonde hair and a nice cap keeping her hair in place). Serena is basically drawn as a huge Godzilla like creature, with hair twice the size of her actual head and huge legs (the other player has pencil thin legs). 1. Osaka is slimmer than Serena 2. Osaka's hair is blonde, or at least the part of it that was sticking out of the... 3. ...nice cap she was wearing during the final 4. Is it "white" skin? You can tell from those few pixels that his intention was to misrepresent Osaka's race? The tones are actually very similar to the ones used on Serena's skin, which brings us to... 5. Serena's skin tone is shown as lighter than it is in real life as well - is he also "beautifying" her? I thought he was supposed to be a racist? 6. Why do you think whitening someone's skin is "beautifying" them anyway? 7. (and most importantly) In the context, Osaka is a peripheral figure. Perhaps replicating the exact skin tone with which her racial heritage endowed her was not his top priority when bashing out this cartoon. The rosy-cheeked umpire in the drawing doesn't look anything like the Portuguese Carlos Ramos either - was the cartoonist taking pains to "beautify" him, or do you think the appearance of those two figures just wasn't that important to the effect of the piece? I'm even considering the option of it being completely non-racist because then why would he have used stereotypes? - Big fat lips - Big tongue - Big bushy almost Africanized hair, despite the fact her hair is Westernized for a black woman (usually in a scrunchie with a head band). Mate... look at her hair. The reading into the intricate detail of all this is insane. I kind of understand the uneasy feeling about the lips and mouth, but then he's showing an exaggerated, and by nature unflattering, depiction of someone having a tantrum isn't he? The guy has come out and said that's exactly what it is, he's not a racist and there was no intention to be racist (admirably for our times he's basically just shrugged his shoulders rather than wrung his hands apologising) - given that there's nothing overtly racist or sexist about the cartoon besides an arguable similarity to old stereotypical images of black people and an arguably inaccurate representation of a peripheral figure, why not just take the guy at his word?
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Post by musik on Sept 12, 2018 21:09:09 GMT
It would have been completely different if it was Rihanna in that drawing, another black world star. Then I could have admitted it was a stereotype.
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Post by stokie66 on Sept 12, 2018 21:26:00 GMT
It would have been completely different if it was Rihanna in that drawing, another black world star. Then I could have admitted it was a stereotype. So you seriously think that the face depicted in the cartoon is an accurate caricature of Serena Williams . If, before this incident happened, you were presented with the image of the face, would you have immediately recognised it has being Serena Williams rather than a lazy stereotype of an African American woman?
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Post by metalhead on Sept 12, 2018 21:26:22 GMT
I've only just seen this cartoon... it's pretty reprehensible. It's not particularly funny and it's not particularly clever. Whether it's racist, well, it's certainly on the line (shit pun), isn't it? It's 100% sexist and I'm amazed that people (albeit not many) are arguing that. The whole motivation is the fact it's a female tennis player having a bit of a strop. We never saw cartoons mocking Andre Agassi or Pete Sampras or John McEnroe or even Andy Murray who has been partial to a meltdown or two over the years. It seems the author felt it was funny because it was a woman losing her shit, instead of a male. You're 100% sure it was motivated by sexism? Despite there being basically.. nothing to indicate it? It's almost unheard of for a player to get even a point penalty, never mind a whole game because of *three* code violations in a slam final. But you think the only plausible reason it got this attention is because she's a woman? Regarding the male tennis players, you clearly never saw spitting image. Just google John McEnroe parody ffs. It's also pretty 'shamey' if you get me? The other woman is slim, small and almost beautified (by having white skn, blonde hair and a nice cap keeping her hair in place). Serena is basically drawn as a huge Godzilla like creature, with hair twice the size of her actual head and huge legs (the other player has pencil thin legs). 1. Osaka is slimmer than Serena 2. Osaka's hair is blonde, or at least the part of it that was sticking out of the... 3. ...nice cap she was wearing during the final 4. Is it "white" skin? You can tell from those few pixels that his intention was to misrepresent Osaka's race? The tones are actually very similar to the ones used on Serena's skin, which brings us to... 5. Serena's skin tone is shown as lighter than it is in real life as well - is he also "beautifying" her? I thought he was supposed to be a racist? 6. Why do you think whitening someone's skin is "beautifying" them anyway? 7. (and most importantly) In the context, Osaka is a peripheral figure. Perhaps replicating the exact skin tone with which her racial heritage endowed her was not his top priority when bashing out this cartoon. The rosy-cheeked umpire in the drawing doesn't look anything like the Portuguese Carlos Ramos either - was the cartoonist taking pains to "beautify" him, or do you think the appearance of those two figures just wasn't that important to the effect of the piece? I'm even considering the option of it being completely non-racist because then why would he have used stereotypes? - Big fat lips - Big tongue - Big bushy almost Africanized hair, despite the fact her hair is Westernized for a black woman (usually in a scrunchie with a head band). Mate... look at her hair. The reading into the intricate detail of all this is insane. I kind of understand the uneasy feeling about the lips and mouth, but then he's showing an exaggerated, and by nature unflattering, depiction of someone having a tantrum isn't he? The guy has come out and said that's exactly what it is, he's not a racist and there was no intention to be racist (admirably for our times he's basically just shrugged his shoulders rather than wrung his hands apologising) - given that there's nothing overtly racist or sexist about the cartoon besides an arguable similarity to old stereotypical images of black people and an arguably inaccurate representation of a peripheral figure, why not just take the guy at his word? OK, so I'll say this now... these are only my personal opinions. I don't want a row and I completely respect yours, so don't take anything I say the wrong way PLog, I'm going to throw all my eggs in one basket and say yes, I truly believe 100% that the author knew he was going to get a rise out of social media, MSM and various other outlets because of the player being a female tennis superstar. Sexism doesn't necessarily have to involve a direct comparison of the sexes (i.e. a male player appearing rational while Serena is being irrational)... however I honestly don't believe the author would have made this cartoon had the player been male. It seems a direct attack at her, because she's a female player who had a bit of a meltdown on the court. Before you suggest I'm an SJW loony, I've defended Ched Evans, called out the bullshit that is 'patriarchy', I've ripped Antifa, BLM and other nutter movements to shred and gone toe to toe with feminists, even those on this forum. The only thing I have in common with an SJW, is the fact I lean left..... just wanted to clear that up. I did watch Spitting Image and I've seen the McEnroe clip. I stand by my comments though. In answer to your points: 1. Proportional to the cartoon? Bollocks. You'd think she was fucking John Goodman's size if you took the cartoon literally. 2. Osaka's hair is brown with dark'ish peroxide blonde tips. The cartoon enhances the blonde part to a much lighter tone and totally hides the brunette part. 3. Yes, she was wearing the cap. Serena was wearing a tight scrunchy and headband, I guess the cartoonist forgot this when he Africanized her haircut. 4. I would say that the skin colour of Naomi is white in the cartoon. That's just my opinion and I'm obviously entitled to it. You clearly disagree. 5. Her skin tone is indeed lighter. There could be a number of reasons for this, but honestly, I don't know why he did that. If you read my original post, I never actually suggested he was racist and went as far as distancing myself from the accusations that claim he made her resemble an ape. I don't believe he is a racist. 6. His primary audience is white and middle class. By making Osaka closer to Caucasian than she actually is, the primary audience are always going to be more satisfied in the cartoons depiction, especially those with deep-rooted racism. 7. See point 6. Yes, exactly my point.... in that photo her hair is tied back.... a Western method of managing her style of hair. In the cartoon, the hair tie is essentially missing and her hair is made to look significantly more bushy and basically twice the size of her actual head. At no point in the match did she jump up and down and her hair bounce around in the style that he has drawn it. What he has done, is essentially tried to degrade her by making her hair look like that. Again, just my opinion. For me, his depiction of Serena doesn't remotely resemble the woman. He's made no genuine attempt to make it look like her. Instead (as you openly point), he's seemingly drawn a number of exaggerated features stereotypically associated with black people. Whether that was intentional or not, I don't know. He is a very talented artist though, so it's strange that his depiction really isn't very accurate. Google his Obama one which looks significantly more accurate to the subjects image. I am glad that he didn't apologise because I don't like the world we live in currently. If you look at someone wrong, you're a sexual predator. You can rape someone via thoughts apparently. If you disagree with someone who is incredibly snowflakey, you're accused of gaslighting them. If you don't agree with feminists you're a racist, sexist, misogynist who deserves his career destroying. If you are a female who votes right wing, you're nothing but a pawn under male control lacking a brain. Like I said above, and in the original post.... I don't think the guy is racist and I don't believe he went out to draw a racist cartoon. I think it's dogy.... I do, however, believe the motivations behind it were probably driven by a fair bit of sexism.
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Post by musik on Sept 12, 2018 21:43:37 GMT
The other woman is slim, small and almost beautified (by having white skin, blonde hair and a nice cap keeping her hair in place). Serena is basically drawn as a huge Godzilla like creature, with hair twice the size of her actual head and huge legs (the other player has pencil thin legs). This has a perfectly logical explaination: The japanese girl is on the other side of the net, you know ... It would be very strange if she was huge over there and S Williams tiny in the foreground. Besides, S Williams IS huge compared to N Osaka. I seriously wonder: If this wasn't a cartoon, but a photo taken from that angle, at that very moment when S Williams freaked out, throwing her racket etc, and N Osaka was on the other side of the net then - would there be some people saying it was a sexistic and racial photo? p.s Who has decided Colourless people are more beautiful than Coloured people, as a golden rule? Isn't it just a matter of taste? d.s. p.s How can anyone come up with the thought of sexism here in this picture at all? Is it because she lost a vital point and got furious? Aren't ladies even allowed to get mad these days? d.s II
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Post by musik on Sept 12, 2018 21:51:05 GMT
It would have been completely different if it was Rihanna in that drawing, another black world star. Then I could have admitted it was a stereotype. So you seriously think that the face depicted in the cartoon is an accurate caricature of Serena Williams . If, before this incident happened, you were presented with the image of the face, would you have immediately recognised it has being Serena Williams rather than a lazy stereotype of an African American woman? Actually, definitely yes. I thought of her at once. But that's just because she's famous.
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Post by metalhead on Sept 12, 2018 22:00:34 GMT
The other woman is slim, small and almost beautified (by having white skin, blonde hair and a nice cap keeping her hair in place). Serena is basically drawn as a huge Godzilla like creature, with hair twice the size of her actual head and huge legs (the other player has pencil thin legs). This has a perfectly logical explaination: The japanese girl is on the other side of the net, you know ... It would be very strange if she was huge over there and S Williams tiny in the foreground. Besides, S Williams IS huge compared to N Osaka. I seriously wonder: If this wasn't a cartoon, but a photo taken from that angle, at that very moment when S Williams freaked out, throwing her racket etc, and N Osaka was on the other side of the net then - would there be some people saying it was a sexistic and racial photo? p.s Who has decided Colourless people are more beautiful than Coloured people, as a golden rule? Isn't it just a matter of taste? d.s. p.s How can anyone come up with the thought of sexism here in this picture at all? Is it because she lost a vital point and got furious? Aren't ladies even allowed to get mad these days? d.s II See above
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Sept 12, 2018 22:03:23 GMT
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Post by musik on Sept 12, 2018 22:08:07 GMT
I don't like the world we live in currently. If you look at someone wrong, you're a sexual predator. You can rape someone via thoughts apparently. If you disagree with someone who is incredibly snowflakey, you're accused of gaslighting them. If you don't agree with feminists you're a racist, sexist, misogynist who deserves his career destroying. If you are a female who votes right wing, you're nothing but a pawn under male control lacking a brain. I agree. What is "snowflakey"?
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Post by metalhead on Sept 12, 2018 22:14:48 GMT
I don't like the world we live in currently. If you look at someone wrong, you're a sexual predator. You can rape someone via thoughts apparently. If you disagree with someone who is incredibly snowflakey, you're accused of gaslighting them. If you don't agree with feminists you're a racist, sexist, misogynist who deserves his career destroying. If you are a female who votes right wing, you're nothing but a pawn under male control lacking a brain. I agree. What is "snowflakey"? A snowflake. Basically a millennial. Offended by everything etc.
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Post by musik on Sept 12, 2018 22:45:11 GMT
At no point in the match did she jump up and down and her hair bounce around in the style that he has drawn it. He's made no genuine attempt to make it look like her. Normally I feel you're sensible and balanced, metalhead, but this time I'm really worried about you, myself being both an author and an artist myself. It's a bloody cartoon, for Heaven's sake! 😁 It's not a documentary picture. She could do whatever she likes in that picture, just like what's so amazingly beautiful with fiction, apart from the always boring real world non-fiction. Serena could even eat and swallow Osaka in the cartoon, and of course she can jump up and down. It gives a more precise and dramatic effect of what he wanted to show here: frustration. Instead of having the tennisracket jumping up and down. "He's made no genuine attempt to make it look like her". Are you kidding me? First of all, he shouldn't (not 'exactly like' anyway, it's not a documentation) - that's the bloody point of making caricatures. But nevertheless, he succeeded to capture her characteristics so well, exactly the way I see her. I've always admired Serena Williams, just like Sarah Sjöström and Lindsey Vonn. S Williams is a fantastic athlete, a world class tennis player and has been for such a long time. With some distance to the game played, I'm sure she would smile at the cartoon.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 13, 2018 1:33:59 GMT
At no point in the match did she jump up and down and her hair bounce around in the style that he has drawn it. He's made no genuine attempt to make it look like her. Normally I feel you're sensible and balanced, metalhead, but this time I'm really worried about you, myself being both an author and an artist myself. It's a bloody cartoon, for Heaven's sake! 😁 It's not a documentary picture. She could do whatever she likes in that picture, just like what's so amazingly beautiful with fiction, apart from the always boring real world non-fiction. Serena could even eat and swallow Osaka in the cartoon, and of course she can jump up and down. It gives a more precise and dramatic effect of what he wanted to show here: frustration. Instead of having the tennisracket jumping up and down. "He's made no genuine attempt to make it look like her". Are you kidding me? First of all, he shouldn't (not 'exactly like' anyway, it's not a documentation) - that's the bloody point of making caricatures. But nevertheless, he succeeded to capture her characteristics so well, exactly the way I see her. I've always admired Serena Williams, just like Sarah Sjöström and Lindsey Vonn. S Williams is a fantastic athlete, a world class tennis player and has been for such a long time. With some distance to the game played, I'm sure she would smile at the cartoon. Yeah I really can’t get my head round this point... in the game her hair was massive and frizzy, loosely tied back and did indeed flail around all over the place as she played. In the cartoon her hair is massive and frizzy, loosely tied back and is flailing up above her. But the absence of a hair band (very “western” apparently - who knew) and a possible exaggeration in size amounts to degrading “Africanisation” on the part of the cartoonist. Bonkers! That said, I do find the way her mouth is depicted more and more troubling the more I look at it. I think it’s a fairly terrible caricature all round, but then we’re not debating how good a cartoonist the guy is.
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Post by musik on Sept 13, 2018 10:15:10 GMT
Normally I feel you're sensible and balanced, metalhead, but this time I'm really worried about you, myself being both an author and an artist myself. It's a bloody cartoon, for Heaven's sake! 😁 It's not a documentary picture. She could do whatever she likes in that picture, just like what's so amazingly beautiful with fiction, apart from the always boring real world non-fiction. Serena could even eat and swallow Osaka in the cartoon, and of course she can jump up and down. It gives a more precise and dramatic effect of what he wanted to show here: frustration. Instead of having the tennisracket jumping up and down. "He's made no genuine attempt to make it look like her". Are you kidding me? First of all, he shouldn't (not 'exactly like' anyway, it's not a documentation) - that's the bloody point of making caricatures. But nevertheless, he succeeded to capture her characteristics so well, exactly the way I see her. I've always admired Serena Williams, just like Sarah Sjöström and Lindsey Vonn. S Williams is a fantastic athlete, a world class tennis player and has been for such a long time. With some distance to the game played, I'm sure she would smile at the cartoon. Yeah I really can’t get my head round this point... in the game her hair was massive and frizzy, loosely tied back and did indeed flail around all over the place as she played. In the cartoon her hair is massive and frizzy, loosely tied back and is flailing up above her. But the absence of a hair band (very “western” apparently - who knew) and a possible exaggeration in size amounts to degrading “Africanisation” on the part of the cartoonist. Bonkers! That said, I do find the way her mouth is depicted more and more troubling the more I look at it. I think it’s a fairly terrible caricature all round, but then we’re not debating how good a cartoonist the guy is. The hair band is still there holding her hair (like a rubber band), pretty close to the skull in that cartoon - since she's jumping up and down it went up. Isn't it wonderful how we humans can see persons differently. For instance, I've been told to be a look-a-like of both Don Johnson AND Philip Michael Thomas (the two in Miami Vice). But do they look the same? Not at all. One is white and one is black and they have completely different eye colours, for a start.
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 13, 2018 12:36:10 GMT
Let sleeping beetroot’s lay ?
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Post by felonious on Sept 13, 2018 13:36:22 GMT
Let sleeping beetroot’s lay ? They shoot beetroots don't they?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 13, 2018 14:35:31 GMT
If Serena Williams didn't see the signs and help from the coach in the crowd, may be it ... but how would the referee know that? It's a major attribute for a world star in any kind of sport - they hate to lose and she seldom do. That's why they're world stars. As for the caricature cartoon, I agree it could be called a racist cartoon - when it comes to the asian girl. She isn't white. A caricature is SUPPOSED to be exaggerative. It's the whole point. OK. Look again at the cartoon. If you can try to focus just on the face ignoring all other areas of the drawing. Could you really say that this is a caricature of Serena Williams? Does it exaggerate her features? No this is actually caricaturing a race of people using disgusting racial stereotypes taken from the "Jim Crow " era of 19th America when racial segregation was enforced in society. Yes I agree with your point about the cartoonists depiction of Serenas opponent. So the buffoon has slurred both of them. I don't think it's racist, and nothing like cartoons of the past. I used to live with a black woman, and I remember being shocked when one of those cartoons was shown on television. It's pretty crap, and doesn't look much like Serena, though.
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Post by stokie66 on Sept 13, 2018 18:33:11 GMT
OK. Look again at the cartoon. If you can try to focus just on the face ignoring all other areas of the drawing. Could you really say that this is a caricature of Serena Williams? Does it exaggerate her features? No this is actually caricaturing a race of people using disgusting racial stereotypes taken from the "Jim Crow " era of 19th America when racial segregation was enforced in society. Yes I agree with your point about the cartoonists depiction of Serenas opponent. So the buffoon has slurred both of them. I don't think it's racist, and nothing like cartoons of the past. I used to live with a black woman, and I remember being shocked when one of those cartoons was shown on television. It's pretty crap, and doesn't look much like Serena, though. Your right. It's very poor quality and doesn't look like Serena. That's my point really, a caricature should have similarities to the subject. This does not . So it is not a caricature of an individual it is a caricature based on racist stereotypes. This is my final post on this matter as I have made my position clear on several occasions.
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Post by starkiller on Sept 13, 2018 18:42:53 GMT
Saw her advertising Temper mattresses on TV the other day.
How appropriate.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 13, 2018 18:48:51 GMT
I don't think it's racist, and nothing like cartoons of the past. I used to live with a black woman, and I remember being shocked when one of those cartoons was shown on television. It's pretty crap, and doesn't look much like Serena, though. Your right. It's very poor quality and doesn't look like Serena. That's my point really, a caricature should have similarities to the subject. This does not . So it is not a caricature of an individual it is a caricature based on racist stereotypes. This is my final post on this matter as I have made my position clear on several occasions. She has a tutu on, which other player wears a tutu? It's got UP OPEN in capital letters. There a dummy on the floor by her. Other that that there's nothing to indicate who it may be, just a racial stereotype!
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 13, 2018 18:49:58 GMT
I don't think it's racist, and nothing like cartoons of the past. I used to live with a black woman, and I remember being shocked when one of those cartoons was shown on television. It's pretty crap, and doesn't look much like Serena, though. Your right. It's very poor quality and doesn't look like Serena. That's my point really, a caricature should have similarities to the subject. This does not . So it is not a caricature of an individual it is a caricature based on racist stereotypes. This is my final post on this matter as I have made my position clear on several occasions. Fair enough, just giving my take on it.
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