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Post by george2again on Sept 1, 2018 18:46:03 GMT
When things are going for a team like they are for us, there normally talk from a manager of going back to basics etc....... This manager does not have the basics or know what they are, hes all over the place. If he feels starting with crouch is the way forward his days are very numbered. Shocking selections again and just no pace in the side. Even the basic knobhead fan (me included) can see the problems we have (Pace). Not addressed in the transfer window or in team selection. Worrying times with this bloke in charge. All the Derby fans told us like we tell the saints fans.
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Sept 1, 2018 18:49:12 GMT
Post by maliciousdamage on Sept 1, 2018 18:49:12 GMT
A pretty laughable quote from our manager, taken from the official website: “We worked all week on exploiting the spaces that they leave in wide areas and we were able to do that to a degree, but when it matters we weren’t able to show the quality that we undoubtedly have." What did he expect in terms of quality balls into the box from James McClean and Mame Diouf? McClean has always had ropey quality on the ball and Diouf just isn't a winger in that sense, even though he can do a job in a different way. So, why base your game in getting the ball out wide and then balls into the box when you don't really have a winger in the side, or to another degree, a quality attacking full back on the pitch? I think Bauer has been a bit ropey this season when played but if that was the designed game plan, surely he would have been a better bet wide right instead of Diouf, in terms of getting quality into the box? I'm baffled, but to be fair, i'm not a football professional... God i thought exactly the same as he said this on radio stoke after the game i thought jesus that pair aren't renowned 'quality crossers ' of the ball so why not exploit the space by having Berahino And Afobe run in behind and exploit space and play balls into those spaces from wide. It was quite unbelievable that he said that I thought
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Sept 1, 2018 18:50:17 GMT
Post by george2again on Sept 1, 2018 18:50:17 GMT
I would defo go for Dean Smith at Brentford. Like the way they played at our place and how he sets his teams up. Good value option. Like many I'm getting fed up of the excuses from our manager. The players are not at fault for how they are set up and motivated are they?
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Sept 1, 2018 18:50:53 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 1, 2018 18:50:53 GMT
Did we really pay money to get him out of derby?
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Sept 1, 2018 18:50:53 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 18:50:53 GMT
A pretty laughable quote from our manager, taken from the official website: “We worked all week on exploiting the spaces that they leave in wide areas and we were able to do that to a degree, but when it matters we weren’t able to show the quality that we undoubtedly have." What did he expect in terms of quality balls into the box from James McClean and Mame Diouf? McClean has always had ropey quality on the ball and Diouf just isn't a winger in that sense, even though he can do a job in a different way. So, why base your game in getting the ball out wide and then balls into the box when you don't really have a winger in the side, or to another degree, a quality attacking full back on the pitch? I think Bauer has been a bit ropey this season when played but if that was the designed game plan, surely he would have been a better bet wide right instead of Diouf, in terms of getting quality into the box? I'm baffled, but to be fair, i'm not a football professional... God i thought exactly the same as he said this on radio stoke after the game i thought jesus that pair aren't renowned 'quality crossers ' of the ball so why not exploit the space by having Berahino And Afobe run in behind and exploit space and play balls into those spaces from wide. It was quite unbelievable that he said that I thought Amazing isn't it? A couple of dickheads* on the oatcake have openly questioned our managers words, and in your case, have suggested a perfectly viable plan B. I remember Stan Ternent doing that at Burnley with Andy Payton and Andy Cooke, almost 15 years ago. * apologies, i'll happily back off that statement from your good self...
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Post by wuzza on Sept 1, 2018 18:51:02 GMT
That said, I didn’t think today was that bad from Rowett. We didn’t get mullered and we should have taken a point. The problem is that we are probably the most expensively assembled and best paid squad in the league - not getting mullered isn’t really where the bar is set.
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Sept 1, 2018 18:52:39 GMT
Post by lstokie on Sept 1, 2018 18:52:39 GMT
Awful thread, just come off the back of 2 wins and we lost narrowly to one of the favourites in the league at their own ground. It could have easily gone the other way but it didn't.
Gayle was the difference today and I'm disappointed that we didn't get him.
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Sept 1, 2018 18:52:47 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 1, 2018 18:52:47 GMT
Did we really pay money to get him out of derby? We did Dave and I was told we’d be a team of plodders🙄
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Sept 1, 2018 18:53:05 GMT
Post by kidcrewbob on Sept 1, 2018 18:53:05 GMT
That said, I didn’t think today was that bad from Rowett. We didn’t get mullered and we should have taken a point. The problem is that we are probably the most expensively assembled and best paid squad in the league - not getting mullered isn’t really where the bar is set. Plus we might have been 3 down in first half - 2-1 flatters the fuck out of us....
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Post by sutekh on Sept 1, 2018 18:53:54 GMT
Needs to go ASAP.
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Sept 1, 2018 18:56:42 GMT
Post by maliciousdamage on Sept 1, 2018 18:56:42 GMT
I already don’t like him. First thing out of his mouth is blame the players. How about team selection and subs - dreadful? I'd have to agree which I said earlier in the season the public slattin isn't doing their confidence any good and isn't conducive to a good dressing room i!at one some of those senior players who have been in the Prem for some time (yes they failed to keep us up but they have played a long time in there) and someone bowls up and starts bawling and shoutin and slating you in public and they themselves haven't even managed at that or a higher level (has Rowett even played in the Prem) pretty soon you are going to get pretty missed off with his attitude. hE's get more respect from the players and fans of he was a bit more honest in his own mistakes and sounded like he really meant it
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 1, 2018 18:57:25 GMT
I already don’t like him. First thing out of his mouth is blame the players. How about team selection and subs - dreadful? The very thing that concerns me is how quick he is to blame the players, it really is a case of 'not my fault gov'. I'm desperately trying to like him but failing.
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Post by Pricey on Sept 1, 2018 19:01:02 GMT
Here's my theory: Rowett can do 4-4-1-1 defensive Pulisball and get a team to the playoffs in The Championship (see last season with Derby and also Birmingham, who he had just outside the playoffs with a poor squad pre-sacking); he can't do anything else. The reason he's not doing 4-4-1-1 defensive Pulisball now is because he's intimidated by the club he's at having just been relegated from the Premier League with a collection of players* he doesn't think will put up with 4-4-1-1 defensive Pulisball. He's trying to be something he isn't and get us to play but he doesn't know how to because he has limited abilities as a coach and manager.
*And possibly owners, executives and even fans.
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Sept 1, 2018 19:01:31 GMT
Post by kidcrewbob on Sept 1, 2018 19:01:31 GMT
He's an idiot - Coates needs to act now - learn from his mistakes
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 1, 2018 19:01:53 GMT
The bit about him wanting his forwards to do "something creative" and there being little tactically that he can do to make them be creative is fascinating as it is eye opening on a number of levels. Firstly, tactics can and do make entire teams more or less creative so their IS something he can do. Secondly, what does he expect a combination of Afobe, Crouch, Diouf, Berahino and McClean to create exactly? Individually, they are either finishers to differing degrees or poor footballers, or a combination of both. The one creative forward he has at his disposal is on the bench! Sorry, but this isn't washing. He needs to up his game and do more, a LOT more. My exact observations right there. It's not like it's hindsight either. It was so obvious how the game would pan out from 2.01pm when the team was released.
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Post by maliciousdamage on Sept 1, 2018 19:06:16 GMT
God i thought exactly the same as he said this on radio stoke after the game i thought jesus that pair aren't renowned 'quality crossers ' of the ball so why not exploit the space by having Berahino And Afobe run in behind and exploit space and play balls into those spaces from wide. It was quite unbelievable that he said that I thought Amazing isn't it? A couple of dickheads* on the oatcake have openly questioned our managers words, and in your case, have suggested a perfectly viable plan B. I remember Stan Ternent doing that at Burnley with Andy Payton and Andy Cooke, almost 15 years ago. * apologies, i'll happily back off that statement from your good self... Listen no worries i bet many people will call people questioning him at this stage dick heads, knicker wetters etc but I can tell you that last season right at the start i had an uneasy feeling about our survival that proved right . I also have a good record of judging people on body language and statements etc and Rowett comes across to me as an arrogant person that is possibly been found out as not having the ability he claims he has. Let's just hope I'm completely wrong or the board don't piss about for too long if I'm right (which I usually am) either why his post match press conference today worried me quite a bit. I'm not football expert either but one 37 year old up front isn't going to win you the league either!
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Sept 1, 2018 19:09:25 GMT
Post by baystokie on Sept 1, 2018 19:09:25 GMT
I would defo go for Dean Smith at Brentford. Like the way they played at our place and how he sets his teams up. Good value option. Like many I'm getting fed up of the excuses from our manager. The players are not at fault for how they are set up and motivated are they? He'd go the same way if he didn't do as well as folk on here thought he should. Clubs at our level are becoming the graveyard for managers as fans are not prepared to accept that football is just a game and low in the order of life's importance. From the comment and language on here, I thought ISIS must be at the gates of Birches Head
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Sept 1, 2018 19:09:51 GMT
Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 1, 2018 19:09:51 GMT
That said, I didn’t think today was that bad from Rowett. We didn’t get mullered and we should have taken a point. The problem is that we are probably the most expensively assembled and best paid squad in the league - not getting mullered isn’t really where the bar is set. No but away at West Brom wouldn’t be easy in any circumstances. Considering they have hit the ground running and with us being so far off the pace, there was nothing between the teams.
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Sept 1, 2018 19:11:05 GMT
Post by spiderpuss on Sept 1, 2018 19:11:05 GMT
The bit about him wanting his forwards to do "something creative" and there being little tactically that he can do to make them be creative is fascinating as it is eye opening on a number of levels. Firstly, tactics can and do make entire teams more or less creative so their IS something he can do. Secondly, what does he expect a combination of Afobe, Crouch, Diouf, Berahino and McClean to create exactly? Individually, they are either finishers to differing degrees or poor footballers, or a combination of both. The one creative forward he has at his disposal is on the bench! Sorry, but this isn't washing. He needs to up his game and do more, a LOT more. My exact observations right there. It's not like it's hindsight either. It was so obvious how the game would pan out from 2.01pm when the team was released. Bar a couple of players being shuffled about, this is probably our strongest team. We're not good enough and the manager too ordinary.
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 1, 2018 19:11:22 GMT
Next game we'll see another 3 or 4 changes as he tries to stumble upon a winning formula. He doesn't know his best side and he doesn't know his best formation despite being in the job and assessing his staff for the last 4 months. I've got to say I have concerns regarding Rowett's capabilities.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 1, 2018 19:14:08 GMT
My exact observations right there. It's not like it's hindsight either. It was so obvious how the game would pan out from 2.01pm when the team was released. Bar a couple of players being shuffled about, this is probably our strongest team. We're not good enough and the manager too ordinary. We don't have a strongest team. Any combination of players we put out is strong or good and any team with crouch starting is a poor one
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Sept 1, 2018 19:15:19 GMT
Post by wuzza on Sept 1, 2018 19:15:19 GMT
The problem is that we are probably the most expensively assembled and best paid squad in the league - not getting mullered isn’t really where the bar is set. No but away at West Brom wouldn’t be easy in any circumstances. Considering they have hit the ground running and with us being so far off the pace, there was nothing between the teams. Hmm - I thought we were 2nd best for significant chunks of the game - and they weren’t great. Hitting the ground running doesn’t just happen either - it’s the responsibility of the coaching set up to ensure it happens. I sincerely hope your positive slant on the game is justified but I just didn’t get that vibe and haven’t since the 1st minute of the match at Elland Road.
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Sept 1, 2018 19:16:15 GMT
Post by numpty40 on Sept 1, 2018 19:16:15 GMT
I would defo go for Dean Smith at Brentford. Like the way they played at our place and how he sets his teams up. Good value option. Like many I'm getting fed up of the excuses from our manager. The players are not at fault for how they are set up and motivated are they? He'd go the same way if he didn't do as well as folk on here thought he should. Clubs at our level are becoming the graveyard for managers as fans are not prepared to accept that football is just a game and low in the order of life's importance. From the comment and language on here, I thought ISIS must be at the gates of Birches Head Football is quite important to me, might not be for you but a dismal defeat can have an adverse affect on my weekend.
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Post by 1982stokie on Sept 1, 2018 19:35:33 GMT
Main thing is he knows the league, at least we didn't go for someone like Potter he has only managed aboard.
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Sept 1, 2018 19:41:42 GMT
Post by swampySCFC on Sept 1, 2018 19:41:42 GMT
Pulis did more in two weeks than this useless fucker. dont take the job if you cant handle it
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Post by steewee on Sept 1, 2018 19:50:30 GMT
He's useless and a failure. I don't even think the guys a manager. Just some sort of spin merchant that looks good in press conferences.
We're a well resourced club with an abundance of players that needed a shake up and the edges sorting out.
Instead he's successfully destroyed a promotion campaign, alienated a fans favortie player (X2 if you include Bauer), chatted some horse manure in conferences, overseen some awful results and boring performances and deserves sacking!
Failure at every level! Out!
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Sept 1, 2018 19:53:55 GMT
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Post by hammercricket on Sept 1, 2018 19:53:55 GMT
Swap you for Pelligrini! he has no plan whatsoever. That said don’t judge Rowett on losing to albion, they have got an abundance of pace and skill in their team. A defeat to them today was inevitable as Rowett inherited a team with no pace and probably no skill. That said though, I do keep hearing he’s a very negative and conservative manager. Too early to sack either I’d say.
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Sept 1, 2018 19:54:56 GMT
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Post by ParaPsych on Sept 1, 2018 19:54:56 GMT
Pulis did more in two weeks than this useless fucker. dont take the job if you cant handle it It took SuperTone 10 games to win a match, although he did have a lot less to work with.
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Post by mrred on Sept 1, 2018 19:58:30 GMT
As i put on the other thread, this is the first game where i can actively blame him as the main reason we dropped the points. We were good for a good portion of the match, but Crouch up front and no creative player around the final third made it difficult to do anything with it. The subs were wank. No need to be calling for his head just yet. I remember a number of Derby fans saying his subs and game management at times left a lot to be desired. Was hoping it was just precious horseshit because he left them. I still can't believe he had 'You don't know what you're doing' sang to him a few games in, but here we are. He's got a long way to go to prove to people he's not just another bloke that can just talk the talk.
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 1, 2018 20:01:16 GMT
He is toss. He's a poor imitation of Pulis. At least he got results. Rowett sums up our level of ambition, sadly. Haha We've got converts to our cause on the "lack of width" thread. In relation th this thread... Rowett is quickly losing any credibility he had with his management. Reckon he's a gonna at Christmas.
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