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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 24, 2018 17:01:00 GMT
We are the Titanic , man the lifeboats
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Post by kidcrewbob on Aug 24, 2018 20:13:52 GMT
None - we don't win tomorrow then axe axe axe
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Post by FrankButcher on Aug 24, 2018 20:27:58 GMT
12-15 games would be my guess for rowett to steady the ship then if after that there's no sign of recovery decisions will have to be made.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 24, 2018 20:54:54 GMT
Yes, he's inherited an unbalanced squad, several players who want out, and a lack of belief.
BUT, even so, Rowett has got it all wrong so far.
I would get rid of him if there is no improvement tomorrow. But I think in reality he will be given a lot of time to turn things around. I think the owners will now just want consolidation this season and will hope to rid themselves of some players, with a promotion push next season
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Post by senojbor on Aug 24, 2018 22:30:13 GMT
We'll have to disagree then. Strange then that we have a dozen or more players that do or have represented their countries at the highest level including World cups and the Euro's and some have starred in them. No sorry, Rowett has got it badly wrong with his selections, formations and team discipline. You're right and I agree. I'm going for a lie down in a darkened room. When you wake up you'll find out Boro have won again.
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Post by Miles Offside on Aug 24, 2018 22:31:54 GMT
I do not think we should make the same mistake as last season with MH,if he can't turn it round then the board should look elsewhere to try and salvage something from this season I would give him 10 to 12 games to turn this ship round He probably came in with the expectation of selling Butland, Allen and Ndiaye, clearing out a load of others and then having a massive warchest to build his own team. Hasn't happened and he's having to sort out the mess he inherited. I'd be amazed if Coates didn't give him this season at least.
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Post by The man from Utch on Aug 25, 2018 1:31:47 GMT
I know you will think i'm crackers for saying this, but i have absolute confidence that Rowett will turn it around, how far into the season that will be ii don't know, but i have not given up on him yet.
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Post by chinesedave on Aug 25, 2018 3:26:33 GMT
If we haven't won by Christmas then he should be sacked.
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 25, 2018 5:59:35 GMT
If we haven't won by Christmas then he should be sacked. End of September at the latest
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2018 6:06:27 GMT
He's got a load of deadwood that the club can't sell. He's got Clucas, hopefully Woods, and possibly one more loan still to add into the team. He's hopefully given this shower the hairdryer treatment after our truly abysmal start to the season.
I'm hoping we'll see the first "green shoots of recovery" with a win today, no matter how we achieve it. Then we'll start to gel properly and be fully up and running after another 3 or 4 games, and start to move into the top half of the table.
Or it could all stay as bad as it is now and if so he could/should be gone by mid October latest. Big question is who would replace him, my worry is that it could be Lambert again or similar.
I think (really hope) he'll start to turn things around pretty soon. If we lose again today the atmosphere in the stadium will be "interesting" to say the least.
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Post by wilcopotter on Aug 25, 2018 6:42:27 GMT
Hopefully none. People talking about it being “toxic” if we lose isn’t helpful. Sometimes I get the impression some “fans” actually seem to be enjoying are current demise. I’m not a happy clapper, as pissed off as anyone, but we have to get behind them. Understand people can do what they want to, but booing won’t help at all. In fact, the opposite.
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Post by pottermouth on Aug 25, 2018 7:06:54 GMT
Lambert would be back given the chance. Lambert has promoted a team out of the Championship. He is proven at this level. It is now clear the toxicity at the club is beyond any manager without wholesale changes from top to bottom. Appointing a new manager isn’t the answer on its own. I have major doubts about Rowett though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2018 7:37:03 GMT
Lambert would be back given the chance. Lambert has promoted a team out of the Championship. He is proven at this level. It is now clear the toxicity at the club is beyond any manager without wholesale changes from top to bottom. Appointing a new manager isn’t the answer on its own. I have major doubts about Rowett though. Lambert did get Norwich promoted but it was quite a few years ago now. Since then he's done nothing of note. I agree just appointing a new manager certainly isn't the answer without the promised famous "major overhaul". I think Rowett should be given until mid October(ish) and if results are still poor then he should go. We then come back to "what happens next".
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Post by wuzza on Aug 25, 2018 7:46:02 GMT
Be nice just to see a bit of progress let alone a positive result. Rowett is being cut plenty of slack as far as I can see. There is a squad (numbers and quality) of players that most championship managers would die for and a new face should have been able to invigorate and motivate them by now ....and possibly have thrown in a little basic organisation too - isn’t it called ‘new manager bounce’ ? Seems a decent bloke who speaks tremendously but it is time that we saw some evidence of effective man management and tactical nous. If we have decided to sacrifice this season already and are aiming to merely survive that is shocking from all concerned,
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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 25, 2018 8:08:57 GMT
3 transfer windows
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Post by skelman on Aug 25, 2018 8:23:40 GMT
Awful time at Stoke right now with all the shit going on in the background and on the pitch. Thank goodness Rowett has had the balls to force the issue. There may now be a chance of unravelling this problem and starting to sort it out. There's no magic quick fix here and he has to be given time!
'Slowly, slowly catchy monkey' but we need to start getting results on the pitch quickly
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Post by Block 22 on Aug 25, 2018 8:56:39 GMT
It’s funny because at the end of last season after relegation. Everyone acknowledged that the job for any potential new manager would be astronomical given our circumstances.
Did I expect that we’d have been as shit as we have been? No.
Rowett has arguably the toughest task on his hands. There’s a huge psychological confidence issue with a core of our team. We’ve well and truly forgotten how to win, the confidence of the players is on the floor. It’s not a motivational issue, I see motivated players, I see players that want to win, they’re just broken upstairs, mentally weak. How do you coach that out of them? I wouldn’t know where to start. I don’t think many football managers do either. We need an expert psychologist to give them some cognitive therapy or something.
By the time Rowett can get through to them, which I believe he will. It will be too late for a promotion push this season (if it isn’t already). We need an immediate turn around starting today to even have half a chance and I think we’re a good month away until the results start to turn around. Having said that confidence is bred by results and if we can shithouse a win and string a couple together by any means possible than anything can happen.
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 25, 2018 9:30:16 GMT
I suspect the main problem Rowett is trying to reverse is that of a losing mentality.
I have to admit that having seen Stoke lose so often recently, once the opposition scores I tend to think it's all over rather than a set back. If we score first I'm looking at the clock to see if we can hang on
If we were used to winning there is an expectation that we will overcome the set back or go on to score again to put the game out of reach.
It is difficult for me to think that way in a year when we have had more managers than wins, so I suspect the players from last season also think that way and the new signings have yet to make an impact.
I hope that one or two wins will turn this around, we have the players to do so once their heads are in a better place.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2018 9:33:11 GMT
In general I would say by Christmas, but knowing the direction our owners go I would say.......Why bother
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Post by samba :) on Aug 25, 2018 10:34:10 GMT
In general I would say by Christmas, but knowing the direction our owners go I would say.......Why bother at christmas they'll be asking what all the fuss is about...
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