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Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 24, 2018 9:35:43 GMT
I don't know how the hierarchy will play this one out. The club have retained most of last seasons squad, added to it with some decent signings. It amounts to a huge financial investment for a championship club. Without a shadow of a doubt there enough quality players to win this league or come very close to it. My guess is though the ship needs to be steadied sooner rather than later. If this shambles carries on I can't see Rowett being here by October. Not being funny mate but do you watch us play , I keep hearing about quality players , Id say the standard of player we have is lower mid table championship 12th -15th at best . In our current state of mind bottom 6 . We still have no pace no real physical presence which is why every week we are out run and out fought , apart from a glimpse from Bojan nobody creates anything Jack - a good prem standard keeper but still nowhere near his best Federici - Good championship back up Edwards - Good Young Lad worth trying but not there yet Bauer - Should be good enough for the league from last season but dropped Ryan - Good steady player but too slow Williams - Fnished way too slow Indi - At his best lower half prem player Pieters - How many Bad games does he need to have before we will find a left back Martina - ??? dont know history would suggest average championship player Fletcher - Finished Adam - Finished Cameron - Good enough for championship but out of Favour Nadaye - Potential prem standard but seeminlgy doesnt want to be here Etebo - Highly promising young player , lots to learn about England but manager clearly doesnt want him . Allen - At his best mid table Prem but struggling with pace and physicality of Chmpionship so far Bojan - seen glimpses of his talent but still looks way short of his best been like that for three years now Ince - Good Championship player on his day but inconsistent McClean - Hard worker but mid table championship in terms of quality Diouf - See McClean Afobe - Will score goals in a team that creates chances in this league but lazy and we dont create many chances Berahinio - Trying hard ATM but terrified to take a shot on goal confidence still way too low Crouch - Veteran who will score a few in this league still if we give him right service , we dont often enough Choupo - Talented but bone Idol and out of favour Imbula - See Choupo Then you have a series of untiored youngsters
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Post by TheProletarian on Aug 24, 2018 9:45:25 GMT
I fear it’s sooner he’ll jump the ship than steady it, but either way good luck to him.
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Post by staffsvilla on Aug 24, 2018 10:45:14 GMT
Unless he walks I reckon if things are still grim at the end of October time for a change, gives the new guy time to tell the board what he needs in and out a full window in Jan to do it, but if this did happen you can't expect more than mid table or champions form to get close to the play offs which is not what you want to hear but is the reality of it,good luck
UTV
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Post by callas12 on Aug 24, 2018 11:11:04 GMT
A friend of mine is a Fulham fan and he just told me that last season after 12 games, Fulham were 17th. By no means do I want to underestimate the problems at the club which are currently evident for us all to see, but the fact that Fulham gained promotion with an equally torrid start to the season is somewhat comforting. Rowett has it all to do, but its too early to right him off yet. I've mentioned on another thread that after 4x games it's far too early to be pressing the panic button. Villa had a real poor start to last season too, their fans were calling for Bruce's head after a month or so in and he turned it around just as Fulham did.. Every team goes through a blip, hopefully we're experiencing our one (& only one!) for the season right now!
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Post by adamsson on Aug 24, 2018 11:34:35 GMT
A friend of mine is a Fulham fan and he just told me that last season after 12 games, Fulham were 17th. By no means do I want to underestimate the problems at the club which are currently evident for us all to see, but the fact that Fulham gained promotion with an equally torrid start to the season is somewhat comforting. Rowett has it all to do, but its too early to right him off yet. I've mentioned on another thread that after 4x games it's far too early to be pressing the panic button. Villa had a real poor start to last season too, their fans were calling for Bruce's head after a month or so in and he turned it around just as Fulham did.. Every team goes through a blip, hopefully we're experiencing our one (& only one!) for the season right now! Do you think it's a blip? Do you think Rowett has any ideas about how to turn it around?
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Post by kristoff on Aug 24, 2018 11:37:02 GMT
I've mentioned on another thread that after 4x games it's far too early to be pressing the panic button. Villa had a real poor start to last season too, their fans were calling for Bruce's head after a month or so in and he turned it around just as Fulham did.. Every team goes through a blip, hopefully we're experiencing our one (& only one!) for the season right now! Do you think it's a blip? Do you think Rowett has any ideas about how to turn it around? I honestly do.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Aug 24, 2018 11:39:57 GMT
Hopefully at least till Christmas, his CV shows he can do it, he has loads of new and old factors to address, he needs time. Less than ten games would be ridiculous.
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Post by callas12 on Aug 24, 2018 11:40:18 GMT
I've mentioned on another thread that after 4x games it's far too early to be pressing the panic button. Villa had a real poor start to last season too, their fans were calling for Bruce's head after a month or so in and he turned it around just as Fulham did.. Every team goes through a blip, hopefully we're experiencing our one (& only one!) for the season right now! Do you think it's a blip? Do you think Rowett has any ideas about how to turn it around? I'm optimistically going to say yes to both. He's got to be given more than 4x games regardless that I do know.. We have got a squad that's capable of doing much better, One win, a few goals & all could change. A TalkSport article summed it up spot on yday, as a club we've won only 2x games in 2018, one home, one away.. As a club we've got a losing mentality, that's hard for any new manager coming in to shift the mindset of. Rowett needs & deserves more time.
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Post by buckoscfc on Aug 24, 2018 11:44:14 GMT
Do you think it's a blip? Do you think Rowett has any ideas about how to turn it around? I'm optimistically going to say yes to both. He's got to be given more than 4x games regardless that I do know.. We have got a squad that's capable of doing much better, One win, a few goals & all could change. Talk Sport article summed it yday, as a club we've won only 2x games in 2018, one home, one away.. As a club we've got a losing mentality, that's hard for any new manager coming in to shift the mindset of. Rowett needs & deserves more time. This is true. Shifting the way a whole squad thinks mentally I am sure is very tough. Evidently, Lambert did not succeed in doing this but Rowett with his reputation in this league should be capable.
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Post by adamsson on Aug 24, 2018 11:59:25 GMT
Do you think it's a blip? Do you think Rowett has any ideas about how to turn it around? I'm optimistically going to say yes to both. He's got to be given more than 4x games regardless that I do know.. We have got a squad that's capable of doing much better, One win, a few goals & all could change. A TalkSport article summed it up spot on yday, as a club we've won only 2x games in 2018, one home, one away.. As a club we've got a losing mentality, that's hard for any new manager coming in to shift the mindset of. Rowett needs & deserves more time. West Brom last season certainly had a losing mentality and Darren Moore turned it around in one game it can be done. But in general a manager while turn things around fast or not at all.
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Post by adamsson on Aug 24, 2018 12:01:03 GMT
Hopefully at least till Christmas, his CV shows he can do it, he has loads of new and old factors to address, he needs time. Less than ten games would be ridiculous. He will probably get until February and then it will be too late
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Post by staffsvilla on Aug 24, 2018 12:06:03 GMT
A friend of mine is a Fulham fan and he just told me that last season after 12 games, Fulham were 17th. By no means do I want to underestimate the problems at the club which are currently evident for us all to see, but the fact that Fulham gained promotion with an equally torrid start to the season is somewhat comforting. Rowett has it all to do, but its too early to right him off yet. I've mentioned on another thread that after 4x games it's far too early to be pressing the panic button. Villa had a real poor start to last season too, their fans were calling for Bruce's head after a month or so in and he turned it around just as Fulham did.. Every team goes through a blip, hopefully we're experiencing our one (& only one!) for the season right now! We're unbeaten so far for some cretins down there that ain't good enough and they want him out UTV
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2018 12:06:07 GMT
In many people's eyes he had no games to steady the ship. He was written off before a ball had been kicked.
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Post by skip on Aug 24, 2018 12:07:31 GMT
I do not think we should make the same mistake as last season with MH,if he can't turn it round then the board should look elsewhere to try and salvage something from this season I would give him 10 to 12 games to turn this ship round Did anyone see that stat on Twitter yesterday that in 2018 Stoke have had more managers than wins? Fucking hell.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2018 12:13:12 GMT
I've mentioned on another thread that after 4x games it's far too early to be pressing the panic button. Villa had a real poor start to last season too, their fans were calling for Bruce's head after a month or so in and he turned it around just as Fulham did.. Every team goes through a blip, hopefully we're experiencing our one (& only one!) for the season right now! We're unbeaten so far for some cretins down there that ain't good enough and they want him out UTV Every club has them, although I think we seem to have more than most - especially on this forum! Bruce is a decent manager, not the most exciting option but you could do far worse.
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 24, 2018 12:14:53 GMT
He deserves the full season to sort out the sorry mess he was left with, preferably most of it without the Pizza Boys still in a job too!
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Post by metalhead on Aug 24, 2018 12:40:53 GMT
He's fast running out of time tbh. I've already written off automatic promotion and I think playoffs are a pipe dream as well. Yes we're only 4 games in, but once a few teams hit rhythm they will not drop many points and we're giving them out for free. We've dropped too many, too early and with terrible performances that will encourage clubs to come and kick us while we're down. We needed a win amongst the 4 games, and unfortunately, we blew it on Wednesday with a shambolic performance and an awful bit of management.
On current form and from what I've seen, we have to be realistic. Another defeat on Saturday which is looking very possible and we're in deep fucking shit. If Rowett doesn't steady the ship within..... about 3 games I'd say, it really could be a double relegation and I'm not fucking joking. You wonder where our next points are coming from, because while yes, we should beat Hull on Saturday, after Wednesday, I would be tempted throw a fiver on them rather than us. After Hull, you can see us losing comfortably to West Brom and then we're into a torrid run of fixtures that will see us picking up the odd draw but I can see us being absolutely near the bottom of the table come Christmas.
If we can scrape a 0-0 backs against the wall draw on Saturday, I'd be over the moon. Our current squad is horrendous. Our manager is picking dodgy Darren.... and our board is hell bent on destroying the club. Come on lads..... backs against the wall, 11 men in our own box, let's get a superb draw against..... Hull City. Life is fucking shit, isn't it?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 24, 2018 13:19:54 GMT
Give him the Hull game,another defeat and a poor showing,should see him out the door.
But of course,this won't happen,Coates will wait until we are in dire straights and tell everyone "What's all he fuss about"
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Post by buckoscfc on Aug 24, 2018 13:52:02 GMT
Mark Sale doing the pre game preview this week. Usually done by the manager. Can we read into this at all? Maybe Rowett simply busy or just trying to get out of the spotlight a little.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 24, 2018 14:07:33 GMT
...4, on the 5th we should see a winning team for a change!
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Post by senojbor on Aug 24, 2018 15:41:27 GMT
Without a shadow of a doubt there enough quality players to win this league or come very close to it. You can't possibly believe this? We have about three players who are not absolute garbage. We'll have to disagree then. Strange then that we have a dozen or more players that do or have represented their countries at the highest level including World cups and the Euro's and some have starred in them. No sorry, Rowett has got it badly wrong with his selections, formations and team discipline.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 24, 2018 15:52:21 GMT
You can't possibly believe this? We have about three players who are not absolute garbage. We'll have to disagree then. Strange then that we have a dozen or more players that do or have represented their countries at the highest level including World cups and the Euro's and some have starred in them. No sorry, Rowett has got it badly wrong with his selections, formations and team discipline. You're right and I agree. I'm going for a lie down in a darkened room.
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Post by mermaidsal on Aug 24, 2018 16:02:43 GMT
Nowhere near long enough to give someone with a squad as inadequate as ours! Agree in the main, everyone who went through last season's clusterfuck is damaged, some grievously, and will stay damaged for a while yet. They have to learn to trust themselves, the player beside and behind and in front of them, the management, the game plan, the training regime, it's the footballer's equivalent of PTSD. Realistically I'd think Rowett has till Christmas to make at least some impression. But what he needs right now, like Monday morning, is the best crisis intervention sports psychologists we can afford on the job for as long as it takes
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Post by olimje on Aug 24, 2018 16:04:50 GMT
Rowett is one of the best Managers in the Championship, fact, supported by actual facts. Unlike some of the absolute spurious drivel that some “Rowett out” idiots are spouting. Try to be supportive and not condemning for once in your tiny lives as a true Supporter of Stoke City should be
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Post by cheshirepotter on Aug 24, 2018 16:06:11 GMT
Without a shadow of a doubt there enough quality players to win this league or come very close to it. What?????
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Post by seanpearse on Aug 24, 2018 16:13:50 GMT
Derby fan seems like you the fans have adjusted to the championship Quickly But your players havnt Standards are high all teams are dangerous anyone can beat anyone club size reputation money lack of money big small fan base count for nothing Some very good forward thinking innovative managers knocking around and some dinosaurs Steve Bruce etc Having read loads.on your forum the thing that crops up is the bad transfer dealing this summer I agree young hungry championship and division one players the way to go On paper you're team looks very good but that's where it ends I don't rate your manager But I also think you will beat hull So I'm putting a few quid on that
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Post by tony1234 on Aug 24, 2018 16:25:19 GMT
Facing the job with the playing staff and dysfunction within the club, i'd be giving him at least 25 games At that point, i'd be happy or relieved atm it if we were 16th or higher, but by then would like to have seen the shambolic behaviour and performances well and truly behind us.
By the end of the season, it would be good to be top 10, but forgivable if we were 10th-15th, but would want to see a set pattern of play, a clear first team squad and the team's form to be solid going into next year.
Next season i'd hope for a Play off push.
Much depends how much he staves off Coates' and his moody delusions and the impositions and distractions created by Cartwright and Scholes. While working on the team, he needs to be eroding the influence of these two, to stem the damage they might cause.
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Post by tony1234 on Aug 24, 2018 16:29:17 GMT
Derby fan seems like you the fans have adjusted to the championship Quickly But your players havnt Standards are high all teams are dangerous anyone can beat anyone club size reputation money lack of money big small fan base count for nothing Some very good forward thinking innovative managers knocking around and some dinosaurs Steve Bruce etc Having read loads.on your forum the thing that crops up is the bad transfer dealing this summer I agree young hungry championship and division one players the way to go On paper you're team looks very good but that's where it ends I don't rate your manager But I also think you will beat hull So I'm putting a few quid on that Thanks - Hows Frank doing?
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Post by seanpearse on Aug 24, 2018 16:34:42 GMT
Frank's learning not setting the world on fire but I would sooner watch his football He has made me go and watch again Had to stop when rowett was manager It was dire
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Post by butler64 on Aug 24, 2018 16:52:59 GMT
Rowett is one of the best Managers in the Championship, fact, supported by actual facts. Unlike some of the absolute spurious drivel that some “Rowett out” idiots are spouting. Try to be supportive and not condemning for once in your tiny lives as a true Supporter of Stoke City should be GR's Stats as a Manager are as follows: Derby - 60 games - points per game 1.6 Birmingham - 106 games - points per game 1.49 Burton - 131 games - points per game 1.62 In the last three seasons the lowest points per game to get automatic promotion from the Championship was 1.93 achieved by Middlesboro in 2015-16. Rowett did get Derby to 6th last season with 1.63 points per game. It remains to be seen whether Rowett can be successful at the Stoke. However, player confidence and performance look rock bottom right now. The first 2 home games have seen the players booed off. Therefore as fans do we need to ease off a bit. If we lose on tomorrow with another poor performance the pressure just intensifies and the players are going to hate playing at home. I don't know how many games you should give a manager - Palace last season got rid of De Boer after 4 games. We stuck with Hughes and then appointed Lambert - every week I thought surely we will win next week but we didn't get the wins we needed. I have no idea what goes on behind the scenes and at training but these first 4 performance have been utterly abysmal and if something doesn't change soon we are looking at a long hard season. Here's hoping for a decent performance tomorrow. Cheers GB
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