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Post by FrankButcher on Aug 23, 2018 5:46:32 GMT
Do you think we would have been in this mess had Big Sam or TP been appointed. No. I wanted Big Sam in the summer but obviously that wasn't going to happen unless we had stayed in the premier league he's got the knowledge of going into a club that was relegated in West Ham and sorting it out and firefighting his way through he seems to be able to get results while sorting out the mess around him he'd of been able to of perhaps hit the ground running as regards to results more so than what rowett has it would of been shit to watch but it's a results business at the end of the day.
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Post by VolvicStokie on Aug 23, 2018 6:09:31 GMT
There's only so many managers you can sack.
When things dont go right under 3 different managers, then you have to start looking abit deeper into it.
Coates and co promised us changes didn't they? An overhaul? Where is it? What happened to that?
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Post by ursemboys on Aug 23, 2018 6:13:29 GMT
Do you think we would have been in this mess had Big Sam or TP been appointed. ffs sake Big Sam said no and TP is shit
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 6:15:19 GMT
Sacking Rowett, his 63 strong coaching team and his 41 analysts won’t come cheap...
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Post by fac79 on Aug 23, 2018 6:18:07 GMT
I agree sacking managers isn't good but the dressing room seems completely lost to me, if that's the case then what alternative is there. The root of the problem is Coates down. Now I'd never call for the owners to go after their backing but in a sport where loyalty doesn't exist why do they stay so loyal to people who are stinking the club out. Clive Clarkes comments on Sunday are ringing in my head because if true and why would he lie? Rowett has been shafted.
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Post by cushyscfc on Aug 23, 2018 6:22:52 GMT
it's ok keeping Rowett as long as he grows a pair and drops the overrated so called premiership players get the young lads in and give them this season to get settled , everyone knows we aren't going up this season so let's start shaping a team who can pass the ball to players in red n white and let them show some pride in playing for Stoke not just waiting for next pay cheque, yes they will make mistakes but I'm sure most people would rather watch that than this shower of shit we watch know
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Post by ursemboys on Aug 23, 2018 6:25:37 GMT
I watched him walk off last night and he looked mad very mad ,i expect fireworks in the coming weeks ,he wont take that display lightly ,there are players out there not doing there jobs and he knows who they are
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Post by Rick Grimes on Aug 23, 2018 6:34:55 GMT
Rowett shoulders some of the blame but it’s mostly down to players he’s inherited.
Allen, Pieters, Shawcross, and Fletcher have all been nothing short of woeful.
It was the boards decision to keep Allen and ‘build around him’. It’s a terrible decision and it’s really hamstrung Rowett.
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Post by skelman on Aug 23, 2018 6:50:52 GMT
I watched him walk off last night and he looked mad very mad ,i expect fireworks in the coming weeks ,he wont take that display lightly ,there are players out there not doing there jobs and he knows who they are He has to have the bollox to wield the axe right now with Shawcross and Pieters. I hope he's reached his limit with his"cut out the errors and make better decisions" line. Shawcross, Pieters and Fletcher have to be dropped and though I respect what Ryan has done for the club over the years, we have to have a new captain and vice captain right now! Tom Edwards is going to be destroyed soon and Williams has got a right pair playing utter garbage either side of him leading to total and absolute frustration from Butland right through to Afobe. And WHY WHY WHY are Bauer and Etebo not starting!! Get on with it Rowett!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 6:57:06 GMT
For those wanting Rowett sacked . I disagree hes just realising how wank our big names are. A new manager in will revert to type experience first hence Shawcross,Pieters,Fletcher ,Allen,Adam first names on the sheet. Hopefully tonight will see them all benched or dropped fully.His mistake for me was signing Williams and Mclean but he will have to live with that.Look down for hungry young players not up to play in championship. Take a few out the team and refresh with younger legs and stop looking up for has beens and go for young hungry players with legs suitable for the championship. Well said
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 23, 2018 7:09:39 GMT
Sacking a manager after 4 games seems crazy, and I wouldn't advocate doing it, but what we've seen so far is worrying in the extreme.
Lambert was shit, but got the team organised enough and they looked like they at least cared. What we've got now looks like chaos. Unmotivated chaos.
Even more worrying is that I can't see a way out of it. Rowett might well be pulling his face about decisions that were made regarding signings and contracts before he came here, but his own recruitment has been shite: Ashley Williams, James McClean? Fuck off.
We have an even bigger, messier, unbalanced squad than we went down with. If he doesn't get some decent points on the board in the next 4 or 5 games then I can't see how we can continue with him.
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Post by adamsson on Aug 23, 2018 7:10:43 GMT
I said end of last season Peter Coates should have retired, Scholars, Cartwright and Lambert should have been sacked.
Then John Coates (it's their money so one of the family has to stay as chairman) should have scrapped the whole director of recruitment process and brought in a proper manager to be in charge of everything.
Didn't happen and look how well it is working out.
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Post by leoncort on Aug 23, 2018 7:10:47 GMT
But when will it end? yes we started well last night and first 20 mins Wigan didnt want the ball and it looked like an easy night. Then it turned, they scored against the run of play and all of a sudden the crowd got on the players backs and our players didnt want the ball.
It will be the same on Saturday, we've gone from having a fortress to a toxic atmosphere once a few passes are misplaced.
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Post by loosestools on Aug 23, 2018 7:15:00 GMT
I hate people who sit there using mobile phones constantly texting. Last night I was so bored at one point in the 2nd half that I had a 10 minute text messaging conversation with my sister in Spain. Sums it up for me.
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Post by hooftastic on Aug 23, 2018 7:24:08 GMT
Saturday' team will be massive, we know there will be big changes but if he sticks with his supposed favourites McClean and Fletcher, when they've been as bad as any, that will be massive mark against him.
He's been given a shit hand but doesn't seem to be helping himself.
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Post by Danstoke82 on Aug 23, 2018 7:27:18 GMT
Althougb Rowett isn't immune from the blame he's not the bigger problem here although if persists with this hoofball up to Afobe style tactic for the duration of the match then things will turn even more toxic. It runs deeper into the club.
Some of them players are not good enough and need dropping, loaned out or sold. We need a major overhaul throughout.
Why didn't we bring in some quality championship players and league one gems Ill never know. All we ended up with his a bunch of premier league rejects mixed in with the dross that took us down last season bar maybe 1 or 2 players who might be decent enough.
I fully expect Coates to continue to bury his senile head in the sand though despite the fact that we've only won 2 games in 2018.
Pathetic.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 23, 2018 7:28:26 GMT
Althougb Rowett isn't immune from the blame he's not the problem here. It runs deeper into the club. Some of them players are not good enough and need dropping, loaned out or sold. We need a major overhaul throughout. Why didn't we bring in some quality championship players and league one gems Ill never know. All we ended up with his a bunch of premier league rejects mixed in with the dross that took us down last season bar maybe 1 or 2 players who might be decent enough. I fully expect Coates to continue to bury his senile head in the sand though despite the fact that we've only won 2 games in 2018. Pathetic. Presumably we didn’t bring in quality Championship players because the manager didn’t want them...
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Post by Danstoke82 on Aug 23, 2018 7:31:33 GMT
Althougb Rowett isn't immune from the blame he's not the problem here. It runs deeper into the club. Some of them players are not good enough and need dropping, loaned out or sold. We need a major overhaul throughout. Why didn't we bring in some quality championship players and league one gems Ill never know. All we ended up with his a bunch of premier league rejects mixed in with the dross that took us down last season bar maybe 1 or 2 players who might be decent enough. I fully expect Coates to continue to bury his senile head in the sand though despite the fact that we've only won 2 games in 2018. Pathetic. Presumably we didn’t bring in quality Championship players because the manager didn’t want them... Did he want them though? rumours have it that theres been a few players he wanted but the two morons who sit upstairs rejected the idea. Rowett knows the championship, allegedly, so he knows the players that would improve this shower of shit we have had the displeasure of witnessing for the past two years.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 23, 2018 7:33:12 GMT
Presumably we didn’t bring in quality Championship players because the manager didn’t want them... Did he want them though? rumours have it that theres been a few players he wanted but the two morons who sit upstairs rejected the idea. Rowett knows the championship, allegedly, so he knows the players that would improve this shower of shit we have had the displeasure of witnessing for the past two years. By rumours do you mean the stuff Clive Clarke was misquoted as saying? The ‘morons’ didn’t foist McClean or Williams or Afobe on him did they? They aren’t the ones creating a one-paced team with no creativity...
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Aug 23, 2018 7:35:46 GMT
Some people won’t accept what Big Sam offers. Time and time again he produces the goods but for some reason fans don’t like him. I love the fat head He does, but this squad needs a complete overhaul, I think anyone would have underestimated just how bad it is. Lambert was the right man. he knew what needed to be done and had started it. The squad was fucking dreadful that Lambert inherited and this is a continuation
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Post by wearepremierleague on Aug 23, 2018 7:38:56 GMT
Am I imagining Rowetts blatant tactics of lump it under any pressure? Not instilling any type of tactics or confidence in his players? And signing a load of shite?
Rowett has been absolutely schooled by 4 managers already. He should already be out the door
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Post by george2again on Aug 23, 2018 7:41:37 GMT
Almost every pundit watching Stoke are asking the same question which what system are stoke playing? Nobody can answer because there is not one. That sits only with the manager and not the players he inherited. he clearly can't communicate to them or motivate them. Before its to late the board need to take the hit and remove Rowett from his role as manager. It looks very clear that Rowett is sticking two fingers up to the board by not playing Bauer (he didn't want a new contract for him) and Etobe (not his signing) and the Clive Clarke comments are starting to look as if they have substance. Rowett looks completley out of his depth. No win on Saturday and he should be sacked
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Post by thehoof on Aug 23, 2018 7:46:24 GMT
Bristol Mick had it right in an earlier post. I was there singing you don’t know what you’re doing at TP at Walsall, and being even more concerned at our abject surrender (6-0) at Forest. You would never have thought that in 3 years he would get us in the Prem. There is no denying that of the known Rowett signings ( Ince, Afobe, McLean) none of them look like they have either the skill or guts to get us out or predicament- there again he wasn’t the one 18 months ago saying that this was our best ever squad, and let’s face it, he’s been left a squad of players who by and large have seen their best days a couple of years ago. I don’t like our style of play, but I didn’t like TP’s, I cannot understand his selections and substitutions, but I didn’t understand TP’s. Don’t forget that when he first arrived it was probably the only time we were as one in our opinion of TP, which was what are we doing signing this Tosser? Like TP (who didn’t do too badly did he?) Rowett is going to need time to sort out the mess that the Board (which includes Teflon Tony) have allowed to develop.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 7:52:56 GMT
I'm really not sure how getting the pizza boys out will help results between now and January. The immediate issue is getting points on the board. Like I say they all need to go but charlatan Rowett should be the first out of the door. Like I said, less politics, more freedom, happier workforce. You just don’t like the bloke and you might be right but we can’t just sack another manager. He deserves until January and others have to be sacked way before him. I think Rowett deserves until January at least, it’s a dreadful start but it’s still too early to judge. What is clear to me is that there are bigger problems at the club, it’s easy to blame Rowett, Lambert, Hughes and Pulis towards the end of his reign but I don’t accept they are fully to blame. We have been on the downslide for a number of years now and I think a lot of it is related to our transfer activity, we have brought in far too many players who don’t want to be here - and the only reason they are still here is for the money. We need a real clear out, but that is going to have to be a gradual process over the next few windows. In the meantime we need to get a win from somewhere, it can be a backs to the wall 1-0 smash and grab for all I care but we need to work with what we have and steady the ship. If we don’t then we’ll keep sliding down the leagues back to where we belong on current form, the way things are going we don’t deserve to be in the Championship never mind the premier league.
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Post by fca47 on Aug 23, 2018 8:13:06 GMT
We need to get rid now before it's too late. He has been backed to bring in players, supposedly the answer to our problems and they have been next to useless, much bigger budget than Potter at Swansea , has had more time in the job than Bielsa and Potter, his tactics are useless, even in the time the team didn't look too bad they hardly got a shot on goal. The players obviously have no faith in him they are a complete shambles and the teams and individuals discipline is terrible, as evedenced by the number of stupid fouls and yellow cards we are picking up. Sometimes things are so bad you just have to bite the bullet.
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Post by fac79 on Aug 23, 2018 8:22:01 GMT
Presumably we didn’t bring in quality Championship players because the manager didn’t want them... Did he want them though? rumours have it that theres been a few players he wanted but the two morons who sit upstairs rejected the idea. Rowett knows the championship, allegedly, so he knows the players that would improve this shower of shit we have had the displeasure of witnessing for the past two years. Clive Clarke said on live radio he knows for a fact he was told NO to players he wants. I've no reason to disbelieve him, he has no reason to lie. This worries me
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 23, 2018 8:25:15 GMT
Did he want them though? rumours have it that theres been a few players he wanted but the two morons who sit upstairs rejected the idea. Rowett knows the championship, allegedly, so he knows the players that would improve this shower of shit we have had the displeasure of witnessing for the past two years. Clive Clarke said on live radio he knows for a fact he was told NO to players he wants. I've no reason to disbelieve him, he has no reason to lie. This worries me Clive Clarke himself has said he was misquoted.
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Post by knowingeye on Aug 23, 2018 8:40:41 GMT
Plus ça change
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 23, 2018 8:50:33 GMT
Scholes and Cartwright have to go, we've known that for a couple of years but Rowett is clearly out of his depth. His signings have been terrible to a man. His organisation (supposedly a strength of his) is non-existent and his substitutions are mind boggling. There is no clear plan, no style of play. He stumbles from one selection to another and all we do is hoof it.
Compare the job he is doing to that of Moore and Potter, two managers who have zero experience.
He HAS to go along with his coaches.
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Post by metalhead on Aug 23, 2018 8:53:34 GMT
Do you think we would have been in this mess had Big Sam or TP been appointed. Yes. No we wouldn't.... I'm not calling for Rowett's head, but he's hardly done a sparkling job so far..... and he's missed numerous opportunities to endear himself with the fans which is why he's now getting a fairly caustic response to our shite performances.
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