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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 22, 2018 23:40:49 GMT
Coates needs to show a ruthless streak. Get the Pizza boys and Rowett in his office and say to the Pizza boys,"Empty your desks and fuck off,you are both sacked" Then say to Rowett,"Beat Hull on Saturday,or you can follow those two wankers out the door.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Aug 22, 2018 23:42:21 GMT
Tonight was an utter shot-show and his first four games have been piss-poor, but I can't see any sense in sacking him. Right now, it's hard to see any positives, but he absolutely needs to be given time to stamp his mark on the team and prove his worth. When he does "stamp his mark", I just hope it doesn't turn out to be a filthy stain that takes years to remove. So far, I'm not convinced.
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Post by blackpoolred on Aug 22, 2018 23:43:38 GMT
I was the one saying he should be given time and that we will all be in for a shock early doors and it will be a slow process etc.
However, he has added 1 slow centre-half to what was a shocking defensive unit and he is persisting with Fletcher - can there be any defending those decisions.
He is looking like a road traffic accident at the moment - as it stands with the cliental we have and his tactics we will are not going to win a game of football at this level
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Post by kevkj on Aug 22, 2018 23:43:45 GMT
For those wanting Rowett sacked . I disagree hes just realising how rubbish our big names are. A new manager in will revert to type experience first hence Shawcross,Pieters,Fletcher ,Allen,Adam first names on the sheet. Hopefully tonight will see them all benched or dropped fully.His mistake for me was signing Williams and Mclean but he will have to live with that.Look down for hungry young players not up to play in championship.
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Post by fisty lizard on Aug 22, 2018 23:56:39 GMT
All he’s done is stick a bit of wallpaper and gloss on team that needed severe structural work. If he is as ballsy and to the point as he comes across in the media, he needs to step up now and drop every single player that’s let him down so far and raid the U23s and see how hungry they are. Swansea have taken this approach and rid their squad of its so-called big assets to give youth a gp and it’s not serving them to badly...
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 23, 2018 1:17:19 GMT
For those wanting Rowett sacked . I disagree hes just realising how rubbish our big names are. I agree. Hence they may as well have kept Lambert as he had worked out the strengths and weaknesses and had 6 months on Rowett. I'm convinced Lambert would have got us up and running a lot faster than this clown.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 23, 2018 5:48:30 GMT
He needs to go. He looks lost.
And we have to get Shawcross and Pieters out of the team.
How have these two declined so badly? Not taking care of themselves.
Shawcross, a hero for the club for years, it is so disappointing to see him like this
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 5:49:23 GMT
Two games
While we waiting should be on the phone to Alladyce
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 5:51:21 GMT
For those wanting Rowett sacked . I disagree hes just realising how rubbish our big names are. I agree. Hence they may as well have kept Lambert as he had worked out the strengths and weaknesses and had 6 months on Rowett. I'm convinced Lambert would have got us up and running a lot faster than this clown. Disliked Lambert but I think you're right compared to this 🤡
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 23, 2018 5:56:58 GMT
I think we could do worse than bringg Robert huth in for the season alongside Cameron, put Federeci in goal, bring in cuco.
The whole back line needs replacing quickly, as well as Fletcher & Allen. The lot of them have hit rock bottom. They arnt recovering from this by being thrown into the next game.
I really feel sorry for our attack on this occasion, they looked very decent.
This whole back line including the goalkeeper and DM need dropping. They have no self belief at all, its completely gone.
We really don't need their input rubbing off on our forward players who looked very decent last night.
Berahino looks to be really up for it this season and I really hope our forwards dont become demoralised by the negative atmosphere & piss poor defending
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Post by wuzza on Aug 23, 2018 5:57:25 GMT
What particularly bothers me is that he can’t seem to get the defence sorted - we’ve gone backwards from last season despite playing against much less talented opponents. He is supposed to be a dour pragmatic coach but he can’t even do that well. This isn’t a Scholes/Cartwright/Coates issue it’s a basic coaching situation and very soon at least 50% of the back four will be made up of players he has signed. If there is no improvement then serious questions should be asked.
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Post by lordb on Aug 23, 2018 5:59:43 GMT
Two games While we waiting should be on the phone to Alladyce Pointless phone call. No chance of getting him,none at all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 6:02:16 GMT
A much better question would be "why didn't we appoint Graham Potter in January?" We were told by the visionaries on here that he was only wanted by those that have never been involved in professional football because of his name and because he used to play for us. Oh, and that Sweden is a footballing backwater that doesn't prove a managers worth either way.
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Post by minnierover on Aug 23, 2018 6:04:50 GMT
Stay. With the squad he's inherited he's got a tough job. His squad is so poor some of the players have to be picked however bad they play because there are no alternatives. McClean and Pieters being the classic case. Seriously? about McClean....he was his no.1 target, when wba turned down £3m he kept going..£4m and eventually £5m rising to £6m AND A 4 YEAR DEAL!? The Albion board played a blinder knowing Rowett was so keen. Darren Moore couldn’t wait to get rid because he wanted to overhaul the playing style completely and play an attacking passing game. He fits into neither of them for sure. He’ll be 30 this season, it’ll be fun watching him when he’s 34, because no one will ever buy buy him off us. He cost wba £1.5m and that was too much. So you can’t defend Rowett because you feel he has no alternatives.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 23, 2018 6:08:09 GMT
A much better question would be "why didn't we appoint Graham Potter in January?" We were told by the visionaries on here that he was only wanted by those that have never been involved in professional football because of his name and because he used to play for us. Oh, and that Sweden is a footballing backwater that doesn't prove a managers worth either way. The stoke job is a massive rebuild job. If Rowett did go tomorrow which I don't think he should given we were massively let down by the defence, the only people worth considering at this moment in time imo are Sam allardyce & David moyes. I feel for Rowett, this is the result of the last 3 years of shit show by the board, the fruits of their labour are there in full view. Maybe this job is too big for Rowett, something somewhere is stinking this whole place out & it's not Rowett, the rot had all ready set in.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 6:20:49 GMT
We were told by the visionaries on here that he was only wanted by those that have never been involved in professional football because of his name and because he used to play for us. Oh, and that Sweden is a footballing backwater that doesn't prove a managers worth either way. The stoke job is a massive rebuild job. If Rowett did go tomorrow which I don't think he should given we were massively let down by the defence, the only people worth considering at this moment in time imo are Sam allardyce & David moyes. I feel for Rowett, this is the result of the last 3 years of shit show by the board, the fruits of their labour are there in full view. Maybe this job is too big for Rowett, something somewhere is stinking this whole place out & it's not Rowett, the rot had all ready set in. Three of this managers signings are on and around or over 30, one of which is on loan. That's not a rebuild, it's a short term sticking plaster over a long term problem. I take the point about Swansea having a relatively clean slate but Potter has signed young, hungry players. If Rowett had a clean slate would he have bought in that profile of player or more of the same older and experienced players? What do you think?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 6:27:01 GMT
Having slept on it, Rowett looks massively out of his depth.
We have no idea, no passion, no commitment and sadly no identity.
I have no idea what he is trying to achieve, and if you thought Hughes’s substitutions were baffling, I give you last night. Ince and Berahino were out two best players last night, and the 1st two to be changed.
Inept, and time to go.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 23, 2018 6:27:19 GMT
Stay
Lots of work to do though
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Post by shipshape on Aug 23, 2018 6:28:24 GMT
He needs to go. He looks lost. And we have to get Shawcross and Pieters out of the team. How have these two declined so badly? Not taking care of themselves. Shawcross, a hero for the club for years, it is so disappointing to see him like this Shawcross has declined so badly due to getting older combined with chronic injuries. Pieters due to no competition for years and a deterioration in form. It happens. Neither has been replaced despite it being clear it was required ages ago. The fault for that is firmly at the feet of the recruiters and ultimately those that recruit them or in this case fail to replace them when they have consistently failed.
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Post by elystokie on Aug 23, 2018 6:32:57 GMT
Aside from the fact that we look as clueless as we ever have it seems to me he's determined to play long ball.
I can understand resorting to the long ball game against the shit, Chelsea, Liverpool etc but we are meant to be the big club in this division with all the money and supposedly the best players.
I wouldn't be remotely concerned if he went.
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Post by rawli on Aug 23, 2018 6:37:44 GMT
He needs to go. He looks lost. And we have to get Shawcross and Pieters out of the team. How have these two declined so badly? Not taking care of themselves. Shawcross, a hero for the club for years, it is so disappointing to see him like this Shawcross has declined so badly due to getting older combined with chronic injuries. Pieters due to no competition for years and a deterioration in form. It happens. Neither has been replaced despite it being clear it was required ages ago. The fault for that is firmly at the feet of the recruiters and ultimately those that recruit them or in this case fail to replace them when they have consistently failed. And yet we gave Ryan a contract extension. Some absolutely crazy decisions are being made based on reputation rather than reality.
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Post by ursemboys on Aug 23, 2018 6:40:24 GMT
Rowett knows whats needed, i recon he is playing the board at there own game ,he has not got all the players he wanted (Chesters Richie) and has to work with the shit we had from last season . They wont sack him and we should not even look at that option ,he know needs to rebuild the team ,forget promotion this season ,clear the dead wood ,bring in players who want to play for the club ,there are certain players there at the moment who need wake up and get there act together. Williams should never play again ,he wanted get sent off last night ,mark my words Rowett was not happy last night expect fireworks ,i recon we get behind Rowett and let him get on with it ,these results will allow him to drop players with out the big boys asking why.
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Post by shipshape on Aug 23, 2018 6:40:38 GMT
Shawcross has declined so badly due to getting older combined with chronic injuries. Pieters due to no competition for years and a deterioration in form. It happens. Neither has been replaced despite it being clear it was required ages ago. The fault for that is firmly at the feet of the recruiters and ultimately those that recruit them or in this case fail to replace them when they have consistently failed. And yet we gave Ryan a contract extension. Some absolutely crazy decisions are being made based on reputation rather than reality. Reputation or sentimentality. Take your pick. Neither have a place in the modern game at the top level.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 23, 2018 6:50:53 GMT
The stoke job is a massive rebuild job. If Rowett did go tomorrow which I don't think he should given we were massively let down by the defence, the only people worth considering at this moment in time imo are Sam allardyce & David moyes. I feel for Rowett, this is the result of the last 3 years of shit show by the board, the fruits of their labour are there in full view. Maybe this job is too big for Rowett, something somewhere is stinking this whole place out & it's not Rowett, the rot had all ready set in. Three of this managers signings are on and around or over 30, one of which is on loan. That's not a rebuild, it's a short term sticking plaster over a long term problem. I take the point about Swansea having a relatively clean slate but Potter has signed young, hungry players. If Rowett had a clean slate would he have bought in that profile of player or more of the same older and experienced players? What do you think? I think he would have bought in James Chester, did he want danny Simpson? What about Knudsen? Why were we not in for Douglas? It's o.k to say in hindsight but our defensive problems have not happened overnight, these are the same players. I don't know who is to blame but I have my suspicions. What I think is he has had his hands tied by the dross we have here on long contracts and such is the state of the squad we have had to make do with a couple of 30 somethings to balance the books because we cant shift any to generate further significant movement
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Post by mrscheesehead on Aug 23, 2018 6:53:42 GMT
Go, there’s. I organisation or fight, that’s the managers fault
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Post by adamsson on Aug 23, 2018 6:54:54 GMT
He has not got a clue what to do next. We have started badly and are getting worse he needs to go.
Trouble is Coates will probably bring McClaren in to replace him.
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Post by loosestools on Aug 23, 2018 7:04:33 GMT
Rowett knows whats needed, i recon he is playing the board at there own game ,he has not got all the players he wanted (Chesters Richie) and has to work with the shit we had from last season . They wont sack him and we should not even look at that option ,he know needs to rebuild the team ,forget promotion this season ,clear the dead wood ,bring in players who want to play for the club ,there are certain players there at the moment who need wake up and get there act together. Williams should never play again ,he wanted get sent off last night ,mark my words Rowett was not happy last night expect fireworks ,i recon we get behind Rowett and let him get on with it ,these results will allow him to drop players with out the big boys asking why. That's not a bad angle.
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Post by skelman on Aug 23, 2018 7:04:38 GMT
Stay Lots of work to do though Time to see if Rowett can do the tough part of management now besides what he's learnt doing his badges. GET ON WITH IT FFS!
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Post by scfc5 on Aug 23, 2018 7:15:59 GMT
He will stay - But he needs to grow some balls and drop Shawcross - Pieters - Fletcher as a bare minimum. FAST I think he will drop Shawcross when BMI is fit, but can’t for Saturday with Williams missing. Martina will play central. Pieters may get the high jump when Martina can play full-back, or even when Clucas is fit. Fletcher is out if/when Woods signs.
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Post by scfc5 on Aug 23, 2018 7:20:49 GMT
What particularly bothers me is that he can’t seem to get the defence sorted - we’ve gone backwards from last season despite playing against much less talented opponents. He is supposed to be a dour pragmatic coach but he can’t even do that well. This isn’t a Scholes/Cartwright/Coates issue it’s a basic coaching situation and very soon at least 50% of the back four will be made up of players he has signed. If there is no improvement then serious questions should be asked. It isn’t structure at the back - they are mentally shot and making bad decisions. You can do all the shape work you like but if you don’t hit a tackle hard enough or switch off and let your man go, you’re going to get there first 2 goals last night.
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