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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 22, 2018 22:00:54 GMT
So with what we have, what would your back 4 be that would be so much better than what we saw tonight? If they could play to orders and if the orders were any good in the first place I'd play the youth team back 4. Seriously. Same, this lot are horrific, Pieters can't even smash it away anymore, go with the kids give them some experience and maybe they'll surprise us, they can't do any worse.
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Post by likelyladgalizmo on Aug 22, 2018 22:01:21 GMT
Mad Mick
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 22, 2018 22:02:43 GMT
No? Is someone else picking the team? Someone else making the subs? These are his players, even if he’s hamstrung by the old guard, the team he wants to build looks slow and devoid of guile. I didn’t want Potter here but they had arguably a weaker squad than ours, haven’t spent as much and look a livelier, more capable side. We were playing well before they scored, we had one chalked off that was onside & looked right on top. Our defence need lining up & shooting after tonight's performance, they really let the rest of the team down. We have simply forgotten how to win and the players shit themselves after the second and froze We were doing ok but we still had no final ball, we didn’t really create much in the way of clear cut chances and the only creativity in the side was coming from Ince.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 22, 2018 22:03:07 GMT
I'm probably the only one who thinks this but I think Lambert would have done a decent job in this division.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 22, 2018 22:03:32 GMT
No other manager could sort this shit out. It’s toxic. We have players on huge wages and contracts who think they are better than they actually are. We can’t even give players away. We’re stuck with these egos that are bringing the club down. The mark Hughes legacy strikes again The new boys aren’t exactly covering themselves in glory though are they, Ince aside.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 22:08:21 GMT
Literally any foreigner, any of them, and whoever they are make them player manager. It could be Kim Jong Un, I'm not arsed, just someone fucking foreign.
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Post by andycooke96 on Aug 22, 2018 22:08:32 GMT
Its clear that the problems go way beyond rowett, 3 managers in 12 months and we are getting worse, thats the sign of a club rotten to the core. The board and players are at fault for this, inept and gutless.
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Post by Godo on Aug 22, 2018 22:08:58 GMT
Pre window we needed at least 6 players, post Rowett's first window we need 7. Great management! Idiotic formation for the players available, failure to insist on a DM and LB and agreeing the signing of McClean and the loans all looks like the work of someone out of his depth
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Post by pavel on Aug 22, 2018 22:09:42 GMT
Yes, but Coates doesn’t do young, progressive, foreign, imaginative or “without experience in this division”. He’ll be saying the same in division 1. He just won’t employ what we neef
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 22:09:51 GMT
No other manager could sort this shit out. It’s toxic. We have players on huge wages and contracts who think they are better than they actually are. We can’t even give players away. We’re stuck with these egos that are bringing the club down. The mark Hughes legacy strikes again The new boys aren’t exactly covering themselves in glory though are they, Ince aside. I just don’t get the recruitment strategy. Afobe looked ok with no service. Maclean always been wank. Etebo great World Cup but can’t get in this side? Ince is trying but his end product is awful. We’re chasing midfielders when we have a bucket load yet ignoring the defence which is the biggest problem we have
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Post by duckling on Aug 22, 2018 22:11:24 GMT
Warnock? Will probably be sacked within a few months. Could he be tempted to jump ship early?
It has to be said, Pulis would do a better job. Wouldn't be surprised to see him get promoted with Middlesbrough this year. At the very least we probably wouldn't be in a relegation battle with him.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 22, 2018 22:11:40 GMT
The new boys aren’t exactly covering themselves in glory though are they, Ince aside. I just don’t get the recruitment strategy. Afobe looked ok with no service. Maclean always been wank. Etebo great World Cup but can’t get in this side? Ince is trying but his end product is awful. We’re chasing midfielders when we have a bucket load yet ignoring the defence which is the biggest problem we have They’re all Rowett signings, Etebo apart. I think today showed again why he’s chasing a proper DM to be honest.
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Post by andycooke96 on Aug 22, 2018 22:14:31 GMT
Rowetts got a good record, he doesnt become shit overnight, if we just look for a quick fix we wont address the actual problems and well continue like this
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 22:15:42 GMT
I just don’t get the recruitment strategy. Afobe looked ok with no service. Maclean always been wank. Etebo great World Cup but can’t get in this side? Ince is trying but his end product is awful. We’re chasing midfielders when we have a bucket load yet ignoring the defence which is the biggest problem we have They’re all Rowett signings, Etebo apart. I think today showed again why he’s chasing a proper DM to be honest. I think Maclean made it clear he wanted Chester, Gayle, Ritchie and Pearson aswell. It seems him A list targets were rubbished and we had to move onto list C? We simply have to shift players and quick but we can’t. The legacy of Hughes is in place
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Post by fac79 on Aug 22, 2018 22:39:04 GMT
I believe Rowett has lost the dressing room already, no way back if that's the case.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 22, 2018 22:41:54 GMT
They’re all Rowett signings, Etebo apart. I think today showed again why he’s chasing a proper DM to be honest. I think Maclean made it clear he wanted Chester, Gayle, Ritchie and Pearson aswell. It seems him A list targets were rubbished and we had to move onto list C? We simply have to shift players and quick but we can’t. The legacy of Hughes is in place Chester wanted to stay. Newcastle wouldn’t let the others go. Not so much that they were rubbished, just unattainable. McClean was a longtime Rowett target. Afobe was snapped up sharpish. Again, we don’t seem interested in signing players on the way up. We should have paid what they wanted for Pearson 100%.
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Post by pistol on Aug 22, 2018 22:43:38 GMT
So with what we have, what would your back 4 be that would be so much better than what we saw tonight? If they could play to orders and if the orders were any good in the first place I'd play the youth team back 4. Seriously. And they'd all get beasted off the ball like Edwards did for Griggs goal
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 22, 2018 22:46:12 GMT
Lambert sorted a lot of it apart from scoring, if he had Afobe to call on we may well have stayed up , now we are back to Coventry away levels and this bloke has spent money Lambert had none .
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 22, 2018 22:47:31 GMT
No. Rowett is not accountable for this shit. Lambert got Shawcross, Indi, Bauer and Pieters much more organised and steady in his first game in charge having gone on a bad run under Hughes. Rowetts taken the same defence backwards since Lambert. Lambert problem was lack of goal scorers had he been backed he'd have done much better. It's easy saying that now in hindsight as I like a lot of people wanted Lambert out to. some people wanted lambert out for an improvement not a championship journey man who failed at derby and no record of success , we had to spend big on the best possible manager
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Post by mrteddysalad on Aug 22, 2018 22:48:52 GMT
Ryan, Erik, Edwards, Fletcher, Allen and McClean need to be dropped. McClean and Allen can still be useful as subs since they at least bring effort and energy. The other 4 can be dropped completely off the squad.
I think if we get rid of that group things will turn around, but GW needs to have the balls to do it. Right now he's playing it safe with experienced players and they're getting circles run around them by eager championship players.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 22, 2018 22:49:31 GMT
Rowetts got a good record, he doesnt become shit overnight, if we just look for a quick fix we wont address the actual problems and well continue like this his record is won nothing ever , achieved saving burton and birmingham , failed at derby
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 22, 2018 22:50:55 GMT
We are Sunderland part 2
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 22:51:08 GMT
Takes no nonsense. Top man
Get him in
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 22, 2018 22:51:48 GMT
Pre window we needed at least 6 players, post Rowett's first window we need 7. Great management! Idiotic formation for the players available, failure to insist on a DM and LB and agreeing the signing of McClean and the loans all looks like the work of someone out of his depth It looks like we're signing a DM. We needed more than 6 before the window closed, thats pretty clear now, but given we need players out the door first his hands were clearly tied.
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