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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 22, 2018 21:28:12 GMT
At this moment in time, I could do better with what we have. And I'd do it for half of what they're paying Rowett too. So with what we have, what would your back 4 be that would be so much better than what we saw tonight?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 21:29:02 GMT
Potter seems to have sorted a similar mess at swansea without spending much? Got the wins early, got some confidence. We didn't. fine margins. Although i do like Potter a lot.
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Post by butler64 on Aug 22, 2018 21:29:22 GMT
It wouldn't be difficult for someone else to do better. The first 4 games have been abysmal. I don't think the Wigan keeper had to make a save tonight. It's only 4 games but how many games do we need before the team put a decent performance in?
Rowett says all the right things but hasn't delivered so far. It's all well and good saying he inherited a mess and it will take time but tonight was dreadful.
The team really need to get a result on Saturday but I can't see it happening. I have no idea what Rowett is trying to do. We look devoid of pace, creativity, commitment and appear to have no plan.
If anyone thought the Championship was going to be more fun, I think we should all realise now that this is going to be a long hard season.
Here's looking forward to Saturday.
Cheers
GB
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Post by stokeykez on Aug 22, 2018 21:30:55 GMT
My worry is the players. Are they playing for him? It looks from my seat that they aren't arsed about him, their teammates or the club. We are without doubt in a very dangerous situation. Did we even have a shot on goal tonight? And that's what's indefensible. We may have got relegated but our play is now worse than in the prem. Zero effort, tactical nouse, commitment No, not one.
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Post by butler64 on Aug 22, 2018 21:31:28 GMT
No. Rowett is not accountable for this shit. Rowett might not not be accountable but he has to take some responsibility for the performances so far.
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Post by stokeykez on Aug 22, 2018 21:32:36 GMT
Until he deals with the elephant in the room and by that I mean the captain then I can't see the defence changing. I feel for Ryan he has been a real stalwart but he has completely gone. And his best option to replace him has just shown how frail he is under pressure, williams should have shown his experience in this match and captained that alongside Ryan.
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Post by Block 22 on Aug 22, 2018 21:37:08 GMT
No. Rowett is not accountable for this shit. Rowett might not not be accountable but he has to take some responsibility for the performances so far. I don’t think he hides in his media appearances, he admits he has to do better and acknowledges the frustration. I’m afraid though, it’s the players are the problem. I think Bielsa, “the best coach in the world” would struggle with our squad.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 22, 2018 21:41:11 GMT
This has been a disastrous transfer window for the club. The repercussions will be felt for years. We now have mcclean, afobe, ince to add to the bunch of absolute wasters on long lucrative contracts
His signings are shit, his team selections even worse. He has no tactics and no clue how his team is going to score goals. He is even worse than lambert.
He's got to go. We need to get David Moyes in
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Post by henry on Aug 22, 2018 21:41:51 GMT
Until he deals with the elephant in the room and by that I mean the captain then I can't see the defence changing. I feel for Ryan he has been a real stalwart but he has completely gone. Agree with this, the bloke gives no leadership at all
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 21:43:25 GMT
At this moment in time, I could do better with what we have. And I'd do it for half of what they're paying Rowett too. So with what we have, what would your back 4 be that would be so much better than what we saw tonight? Do you really think this "what would you have done?" nonsense will wash tonight? If you want to defend Rowett then defend him, have an opinion.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 22, 2018 21:45:31 GMT
So with what we have, what would your back 4 be that would be so much better than what we saw tonight? Do you really think this "what would you have done?" nonsense will wash tonight? If you want to defend Rowett then defend him, have an opinion. I do, my opinion is the players are fucking him over through shit performances, I've already said no one expected the back four to be as bad as they have been this season. And if someones saying I could do better then, yes, what would you do will bloody wash, or is saying that suddenly an opinion?
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Post by bobby1eye on Aug 22, 2018 21:45:36 GMT
Lambert was doing better. He wasn't at all. He was doing the exact same as this prick picking the team. Wrong selection,wrong tactics,wrong appointment,wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong and fuck me wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 21:47:13 GMT
Do you really think this "what would you have done?" nonsense will wash tonight? If you want to defend Rowett then defend him, have an opinion. I do, my opinion is the players are fucking him over through shit performances, I've already said no one expected the back four to be as bad as they have been this season. And if someones saying I could do better then, yes, what would you do will bloody wash, or is saying that suddenly an opinion? So you are saying it's all on the players and he isn't to blame one bit?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 21:48:33 GMT
Until he deals with the elephant in the room and by that I mean the captain then I can't see the defence changing. I feel for Ryan he has been a real stalwart but he has completely gone. Ok Pulis
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 22, 2018 21:49:04 GMT
No. Rowett is not accountable for this shit. No? Is someone else picking the team? Someone else making the subs? These are his players, even if he’s hamstrung by the old guard, the team he wants to build looks slow and devoid of guile. I didn’t want Potter here but they had arguably a weaker squad than ours, haven’t spent as much and look a livelier, more capable side.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 21:49:19 GMT
In answer to opening posts question.
Lambert did, yet I didn't want him either. We've gone worse.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 21:49:22 GMT
He's so far out of his depth that he's already drowned us. We just haven't clocked it yet. The simplest man-management was to take Williams off after he'd targetted Powell. Then again after his final warning, that really is basics... I think he'd already used all his subs at that stage, hadn't he? No mate. He got booked, should really have come off then. But then he did Powell again off the ball like he said he was going to in front of the red and got away with another red. THATS when he has to come off, he was on his last warning. Then Etebo came on for Fletcher. Plenty of opportunity
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Post by wuzza on Aug 22, 2018 21:50:17 GMT
Lambert was doing better. He wasn't at all. He was doing the exact same as this prick picking the team. Wrong selection,wrong tactics,wrong appointment,wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong and fuck me wrong. Defending a damn sight better.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Aug 22, 2018 21:50:25 GMT
Until he deals with the elephant in the room and by that I mean the captain then I can't see the defence changing. I feel for Ryan he has been a real stalwart but he has completely gone. Ok Pulis Triffic.
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Post by mermaidsal on Aug 22, 2018 21:50:39 GMT
Or are our players beyond help? I, for one, despair at his team selections already. I honestly think we look worse than we did under Lambert. Right now we are significantly worse than under Lambert. By the end he did at least look connected with the players and the job, just the context meant there really wasn't much option about letting him go. But, even a demotivated Shaq was a class above anyone we're going to be able to put on the pitch this season
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Post by mermaidsal on Aug 22, 2018 21:51:50 GMT
At this moment in time, I could do better with what we have. And I'd do it for half of what they're paying Rowett too. So with what we have, what would your back 4 be that would be so much better than what we saw tonight? If they could play to orders and if the orders were any good in the first place I'd play the youth team back 4. Seriously.
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Post by minnierover on Aug 22, 2018 21:52:21 GMT
‘Another manager’ would not, I repeat would not have bought James McClean. Oh and if he did, it wouldn’t have been for £6m on a 4 year deal. He’s messed up there big time...that said I believe it’s too early to sack him, if he mans up and drops McClean and other under achievers and goes back to his Burton and Birmingham beliefs he can get this rabble performing.
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 22, 2018 21:52:21 GMT
My worry is the players. Are they playing for him? It looks from my seat that they aren't arsed about him, their teammates or the club. We are without doubt in a very dangerous situation. Did we even have a shot on goal tonight? I said to my mate, Onlooker, at the match that it just looks like the players aren't playing for him or didn't even want the fucker in the first place. This is the most disgraced I've been at a match since Newcastle and West Ham at home last season. We are fucking pissing it all up the wall here, and it's fucking painful.
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Post by bobby1eye on Aug 22, 2018 21:52:58 GMT
He wasn't at all. He was doing the exact same as this prick picking the team. Wrong selection,wrong tactics,wrong appointment,wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong and fuck me wrong. Defending a damn sight better. And we still got beat.
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Post by richardparker on Aug 22, 2018 21:53:06 GMT
At this moment in time, I could do better with what we have. And I'd do it for half of what they're paying Rowett too. I bet you would!
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 22, 2018 21:53:59 GMT
No. Rowett is not accountable for this shit. No? Is someone else picking the team? Someone else making the subs? These are his players, even if he’s hamstrung by the old guard, the team he wants to build looks slow and devoid of guile. I didn’t want Potter here but they had arguably a weaker squad than ours, haven’t spent as much and look a livelier, more capable side. We were playing well before they scored, we had one chalked off that was onside & looked right on top. Our defence need lining up & shooting after tonight's performance, they really let the rest of the team down. We have simply forgotten how to win and the players shit themselves after the second and froze
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 21:54:35 GMT
Mick McCarthy until the end of the season. Otherwise it will be division 1 next season.
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Post by bobby1eye on Aug 22, 2018 21:54:35 GMT
‘Another manager’ would not, I repeat would not have bought James McClean. Oh and if he did, it wouldn’t have been for £6m on a 4 year deal. He’s messed up there big time...that said I believe it’s too early to sack him, if he mans up and drops McClean and other under achievers and goes back to his Burton and Birmingham beliefs he can get this rabble performing. Don't hold your breath.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 21:54:49 GMT
No other manager could sort this shit out. It’s toxic. We have players on huge wages and contracts who think they are better than they actually are. We can’t even give players away. We’re stuck with these egos that are bringing the club down.
The mark Hughes legacy strikes again
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Post by mermaidsal on Aug 22, 2018 21:56:12 GMT
‘Another manager’ would not, I repeat would not have bought James McClean. Oh and if he did, it wouldn’t have been for £6m on a 4 year deal. He’s messed up there big time...that said I believe it’s too early to sack him, if he mans up and drops McClean and other under achievers and goes back to his Burton and Birmingham beliefs he can get this rabble performing. Right now I'd be delighted to be playing like Rowett's Burton. Agricultural, committed, it worked.
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