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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Aug 24, 2018 20:31:13 GMT
Mainly due to a non existent midfield constantly exposing the back four. And that is the issue in its simplistic form. Nail on the head It's so obvious its scary. If we play four across the middle it can't contain Allen, Fletcher and McClean. Ince doesn't offer our young inexperienced full back any protection. McClaen offers nothing going forward, absolutely fuck all. Fletcher sh-ould be helping Marshall the traffic post match Allen Is like a puppy chasing a balloon. We're are in such a fucking mess, I honestly don't know where I'd start. Thank fuck woods appears to be on the way.
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Post by onefatcopper on Aug 24, 2018 20:35:14 GMT
I don’t think we have seen the last of Ryan but as the honest professional that I think he is I’m sure he would be the first to admit something is seriously wrong. Before pre season Ryan declared that this would be the first time in years that he was totally free from injuries, but I personally don’t think it’s the physical scars Ryan’s suffering from but the mental scars instead. It’s extremely rare for a player to remain at the same club for ten years but for that to be in the Premier League is unheard of, that is not about the financial rewards it’s about the Love Ryan has for this club, it’s the same Love,pain,anger, frustration & agony that you and I have been cursed with . And so you imagine how the past seasons relegation has hurt him mentally the shame,guilt & despair he carries. Ryan does need dropping and the team captaincy entrusted to someone else, he needs a break and time to regroup, but don’t write him off just yet !
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Post by rawli on Aug 24, 2018 20:36:26 GMT
If Ryan moved to Middlesbrough he would be the best central defender in this league within 4 games. Have they got someone who can do bionics? Physically I think he's fucked and the importance of pace in the game now hasn't done him any favours. Was a good captain when surrounded by leaders. Found wanting when he was the only one.
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Post by claytonscrubs on Aug 24, 2018 20:36:37 GMT
I don’t know anything about the lad.... Apparently, he was voted supporters ‘player of the year’ last season.
Get Clucas fit, sign Woods, and drop Fletcher (useless tw*t) & Allen (headless chicken).......Sorted!!! 🙂
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Post by stokedinohio on Aug 24, 2018 20:41:06 GMT
GINGER POWER right there.
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Post by stokeykez on Aug 24, 2018 20:41:54 GMT
What I find totally amazing is all the talk of rowett being ready to walk earlier in the week is how quickly woods has been signed. I'm thinking GR has had a word with Mr Coates to sign woods or he will walk and within days fee agreed, medical done and awaiting announcement.
I think the pizza boys have been faffing about for years with trying to get signings near, the minute GR kicks off PC gets his dong out.
I'm thinking he has overridden them both in not waiting for a sale to happen to fund the signing of woods.
Just goes to show how much they piss about
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Post by onefatcopper on Aug 24, 2018 20:51:15 GMT
What I find totally amazing is all the talk of rowett being ready to walk earlier in the week is how quickly woods has been signed. I'm thinking GR has had a word with Mr Coates to sign woods or he will walk and within days fee agreed, medical done and awaiting announcement. I think the pizza boys have been faffing about for years with trying to get signings near, the minute GR kicks off PC gets his dong out. I'm thinking he has overridden them both in not waiting for a sale to happen to fund the signing of woods. Just goes to show how much they piss about Your perception of the situation is quite remarkable, me thinks that Stan & Ollie have had serious revaluation of their allies !
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Post by sean on Aug 24, 2018 21:09:38 GMT
I really cannot believe some of the shit I am reading about our Captain. Those spouting it should look at how many points we pick up when he's playing against how many when he's not, he probably told the manager that the bloke he paid £6 million for was culpable for all 3 goals on Wed by not tracking the opposition full back. Having a defensive midfielder might also help there are far bigger problems in this team than Ryan Shawcross!!
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Post by mattador78 on Aug 24, 2018 21:35:56 GMT
And that is the issue in its simplistic form. Nail on the head It's so obvious its scary. If we play four across the middle it can't contain Allen, Fletcher and McClean. Ince doesn't offer our young inexperienced full back any protection. McClaen offers nothing going forward, absolutely fuck all. Fletcher sh-ould be helping Marshall the traffic post match Allen Is like a puppy chasing a balloon. We're are in such a fucking mess, I honestly don't know where I'd start. Thank fuck woods appears to be on the way. Watched the Man City program on amazon seemed like Pep sees that as role as critical to his teams ability to play.
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 24, 2018 21:42:17 GMT
I really cannot believe some of the shit I am reading about our Captain. Those spouting it should look at how many points we pick up when he's playing against how many when he's not, he probably told the manager that the bloke he paid £6 million for was culpable for all 3 goals on Wed by not tracking the opposition full back. Having a defensive midfielder might also help there are far bigger problems in this team than Ryan Shawcross!! Hard to agree with much of that really. In the past we’ve generally picked up more points with him in the side than without him, but you can’t keep peddling that line out forever. He’s not the player he once was, not even close. Furthermore, I don’t think he actually looks that arsed about his or the clubs form over the past couple of years. That may be completely wrong of course but he certainly doesn’t show any signs of anger or frustration on he pitch. He’s one of the bigger problems at the moment, he can’t defend, can’t lead and can’t do anything other than lump the ball into no mans land whenever he gets it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2018 21:51:10 GMT
I really cannot believe some of the shit I am reading about our Captain. Those spouting it should look at how many points we pick up when he's playing against how many when he's not, he probably told the manager that the bloke he paid £6 million for was culpable for all 3 goals on Wed by not tracking the opposition full back. Having a defensive midfielder might also help there are far bigger problems in this team than Ryan Shawcross!! Well we've picked up 2 points this season with him, and we'd do well to get less than that without so not quite sure your point stands. I do agree we need to get a holding mid before we can judge anyone too harshly.
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Post by Davef on Aug 24, 2018 21:53:11 GMT
Again though with Ryan, we're going back to the club's recruitment policy aren't we?
He's had a serious problem with his back for three and a half years now. During that time he's been out for two lengthy spells after operations, but what has the club's answer been? I think I'm right in saying that since his first injury at Leicester we've paid for three centre halves, Wollscheid (who actually made his debut in that Leicester game), Martins-Indi and the useless Wimmer.
Half decent management would've recognised that we had a problem with Ryan's fitness and effectiveness going forward and done something about it. Not this lot though.
Now we find ourselves in a position where a genuine club legend, who's contributed so much to Stoke City over the last decade, is ridiculed and abused all because a rank incompetence.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 24, 2018 22:00:10 GMT
Has he bastard well signed then or what?
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 24, 2018 22:01:45 GMT
Again though with Ryan, we're going back to the club's recruitment policy aren't we? He's had a serious problem with his back for three and a half years now. During that time he's been out for two lengthy spells after operations, but what has the club's answer been? I think I'm right in saying that since his first injury at Leicester we've paid for three centre halves, Wollscheid (who actually made his debut in that Leicester game), Martins-Indi and the useless Wimmer. Half decent management would've recognised that we had a problem with Ryan's fitness and effectiveness going forward and done something about it. Not this lot though. Now we find ourselves in a position where a genuine club legend, who's contributed so much to Stoke City over the last decade, is ridiculed and abused all because a rank incompetence. We should have been looking for a younger replacement for him a couple of years ago. The likes of Dunk, Gibson and Maguire have all been available in that time and for a cheaper price than we paid for Wimmer. Weather it was Hughes, the transfer team or even both to blame no one really knows. It sums the club up perfectly though, we’re reactive rather proactive. We don’t act until the damage is already done, and then we usually make a complete pigs arse of trying to fix said damage.
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Post by Miles Offside on Aug 24, 2018 22:08:29 GMT
Ryan is a club legend who gives his all, regardless of whether he's fully up to it these days, while others in the squad only seem interested in money.
Back to the topic of the thread - if Woods signs, it wouldn't surprise me to see him sitting in front of the back four in a 4-1-3-2, or even a 4-1-4-1.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 24, 2018 22:15:21 GMT
Has he bastard well signed then or what? What's this medical consisting of, the twelve tasks of Hercules?
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 24, 2018 22:22:23 GMT
What I find totally amazing is all the talk of rowett being ready to walk earlier in the week is how quickly woods has been signed. I'm thinking GR has had a word with Mr Coates to sign woods or he will walk and within days fee agreed, medical done and awaiting announcement. I think the pizza boys have been faffing about for years with trying to get signings near, the minute GR kicks off PC gets his dong out. I'm thinking he has overridden them both in not waiting for a sale to happen to fund the signing of woods. Just goes to show how much they piss about I'm not saying you are wrong in your assessment of recent events, but it could also be that the transfer team and CEO are under strict instructions from the Board to balance the books and not risk contravening the Financial Fair Play rules and get the club in the sort of trouble Villa are now in. The club is flush with money at this time, but the outgoings are also huge on players who have been signed to new contracts and those that on high wages and may never wear red and white stripes again if GR has his way. Consequently the Pizza Boys are trying to serve conflicting requirements, a manager who wants to buy up all the available talent and a prudent Board who not want to get into FFP trouble. They have brought in the manager's requested McClean, Afobe, and Ince but we are still not scoring goals, so the manager's credibility in the eyes of the transfer team must be diminished. It is quite possible therefore that the transfer team are reluctant to comply immediately with every GR demand unless they are over-ruled by the Board. It is easy for us fans not to be concerned about the club's finances but the fact is we are racking up a huge monthly wage bill for Badou, Choupo, Afellay, Imbula, and I suspect part of the loaned out players wages like Wimmer.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 24, 2018 22:26:45 GMT
Has he bastard well signed then or what? What's this medical consisting of, the twelve tasks of Hercules? Clucas passed his with only one leg. Perhaps he only had to do six.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 24, 2018 22:34:54 GMT
Again though with Ryan, we're going back to the club's recruitment policy aren't we? He's had a serious problem with his back for three and a half years now. During that time he's been out for two lengthy spells after operations, but what has the club's answer been? I think I'm right in saying that since his first injury at Leicester we've paid for three centre halves, Wollscheid (who actually made his debut in that Leicester game), Martins-Indi and the useless Wimmer. Half decent management would've recognised that we had a problem with Ryan's fitness and effectiveness going forward and done something about it. Not this lot though.
Now we find ourselves in a position where a genuine club legend, who's contributed so much to Stoke City over the last decade, is ridiculed and abused all because a rank incompetence. I think that is a bit unfair. This MB was decrying the fact we bought a 5th CB when we signed Wimmer, which was probably due to seeking extra cover for Ryan. The management have acted by signing a string of CBs including loaning Indi in his first season and Zouma last season. The problem is the players turned out to be the worst in the Prem last season. We tried to play 3 CBs with no decent WBs until Hughes abandoned the idea. Ryan is a legend but his performances have been not been up to the required standard for a long time now; ditto Pieters, Cameron, Fletcher, and to a lesser degree Indi. I have never ridiculed or abused any Stoke player; I'm just stating what I believe are facts.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 25, 2018 0:06:49 GMT
I wish people would stop pretending that there's some massive rift between Rowett and the recruitment staff just to suit their own agenda.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 25, 2018 5:09:38 GMT
FYI this is a thread about Ryan Woods, not Ryan Shawcross.
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Post by rawli on Aug 25, 2018 6:02:31 GMT
I wish people would stop pretending that there's some massive rift between Rowett and the recruitment staff just to suit their own agenda. Hard not to when the manager alludes to it in every interview he does.
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Post by Northy on Aug 25, 2018 6:33:23 GMT
Has he bastard well signed then or what? Has he done a 'Burley'
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 25, 2018 6:51:40 GMT
And that is the issue in its simplistic form. Nail on the head Fletcher sh-ould be helping Marshall the traffic post match.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 25, 2018 7:01:41 GMT
FYI this is a thread about Ryan Woods, not Ryan Shawcross. FYI? WTF LOL RSVP
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 25, 2018 7:06:20 GMT
Fletcher sh-ould be helping Marshall the traffic post match. I hope he doesn't have to turn anything round. It'll take all afternoon.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 25, 2018 7:11:05 GMT
I still think Ryan is our best defender, but trying to organise a defence when our midfield players aren't doing their jobs is very difficult. In addition Pieters seems to make a lot of costly mistakes and Edwards is inexperienced, and so far has switched off in both the games he has played which have led to goals. To top it all Williams acted like a teenager in our last game and was totally unpredictable both on and off the ball. In my opinion Ryan is the least of our problems at the back at the moment. Replace Fletcher, Pieters, Edwards and McClean and we will soon start climbing. Ryan has been dog shit in every department, a decent midfield wouldn't save him. I disagree to your statement here, but it's not only one midfielder, it would help though. Our left side with Pieters and McClean is so vulnerable because of this duos lack of understanding for the game and then it's Edwards. He has also been directly involved in two goals from the last two games and in addition the two first goals in every game which even makes it worse. What Williams was up to last game is a question too as his passes went all over the place, but hardly ever found a team mate. No, if Lambert could organise this defence so much better, as he actually did, I think we need to address this somewhere else than Ryan. It's mission impossible to play very well under such circumstances.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Aug 25, 2018 7:18:48 GMT
Has he bastard well signed then or what? What's this medical consisting of, the twelve tasks of Hercules? Come on it’s early days yet. Remember the "Josh Tymon signing tomorrow" thread that lasted most of summer of 2017.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 25, 2018 7:20:40 GMT
If Ryan moved to Middlesbrough he would be the best central defender in this league within 4 games. Have they got someone who can do bionics? Physically I think he's fucked and the importance of pace in the game now hasn't done him any favours. Was a good captain when surrounded by leaders. Found wanting when he was the only one. I really disagree as he still wins almost every header and makes most blocks, but with a midfield not working at all in front of you, a left side who have been unpredictable and really terrible (Pieters and McClean), and a youngster directly involved in both the first goals we conceded against Preston and Wigan. How on earth can you expect Ryan to compensate for all of this? Rowett needs to spend more time on organising this defense, and we can't keep playing with Fletcher and McClean that's for sure.
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Post by Block 22 on Aug 25, 2018 9:10:46 GMT
Have they got someone who can do bionics? Physically I think he's fucked and the importance of pace in the game now hasn't done him any favours. Was a good captain when surrounded by leaders. Found wanting when he was the only one. I really disagree as he still wins almost every header and makes most blocks, but with a midfield not working at all in front of you, a left side who have been unpredictable and really terrible (Pieters and McClean), and a youngster directly involved in both the first goals we conceded against Preston and Wigan. How on earth can you expect Ryan to compensate for all of this? Rowett needs to spend more time on organising this defense, and we can't keep playing with Fletcher and McClean that's for sure. He won zero headers on Wednesday night, zero. He made Nick Powell look like Drogba.
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