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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 19, 2018 18:56:32 GMT
He'd be a laughing stock if he walked. Would he though, what if he said promises were made and not kept, his discretion with transfers was fettered and that decisions around the squad were being made without consulting him. He could say his position had been completely undermined and was no longer tenable. It that scenario I don't think he'd be a laughing stock however it won't happen, coz avarice will kick in and he'll take a payoff with the mutual non disclosure clauses
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2018 19:13:07 GMT
Is Lambert available 😀😬😟😁😥😭😱😠😉
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 19, 2018 19:15:21 GMT
"Someone said there was a rumour he wanted to walk after Brentford game." 'Someone said'??? and it was just a rumour that "someone" said it anyway!!!.....Brilliant! It's fact now.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 19, 2018 19:23:25 GMT
He'd be a laughing stock if he walked. Would he though, what if he said promises were made and not kept, his discretion with transfers was fettered and that decisions around the squad were being made without consulting him. He could say his position had been completely undermined and was no longer tenable. It that scenario I don't think he'd be a laughing stock however it won't happen, coz avarice will kick in and he'll take a payoff with the mutual non disclosure clauses He’s been able to keep most of his better players and spend more than the majority of managers in this league. How has his discretion been fettered? Yes, there’s still a fair bit more we need but his job is to manage. He’s been backed considerably, even if the pizza boys have made some considerable fuck ups at the same time.
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Post by potter25 on Aug 19, 2018 19:34:01 GMT
He’s a slow builder, results will come
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 19, 2018 19:35:37 GMT
Would he though, what if he said promises were made and not kept, his discretion with transfers was fettered and that decisions around the squad were being made without consulting him. He could say his position had been completely undermined and was no longer tenable. It that scenario I don't think he'd be a laughing stock however it won't happen, coz avarice will kick in and he'll take a payoff with the mutual non disclosure clauses He’s been able to keep most of his better players and spend more than the majority of managers in this league. How has his discretion been fettered? Yes, there’s still a fair bit more we need but his job is to manage. He’s been backed considerably, even if the pizza boys have made some considerable fuck ups at the same time. Not saying that his discretion was fettered TA but if he were to leave he could probably concoct a credible narrative that would see blame apportioned elsewhere
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 19, 2018 19:36:15 GMT
Seems a bit 'rabbit in the headlights' to me. Maybe my perception. I reckon Rowett's over emanamoured by the Bet365 circus and that. Needs to sort building his house out and concentrate on constructing the team, the nogger and his diction and such. Simple things.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 19, 2018 19:37:28 GMT
Keeping players, regardless of who they are, is as much a failing as not signing the players we needed.
Swansea and West Brom have cleared out key players so had a better chance of starting well. West Brom also finished last season really well so they come into this season with a different mentality to us.
We should have sold any player that was wanted by another club, be that butland, shawcross, Bauer, Allen or Charlie Adam.
We needed wholesale changes and we haven't made them, rewarding abject failure with new contracts.
The whole mentality of the club needs changing and wholesale clear outs was the only way that would happen.
Had we cleared out premier league failures and tried to sign the 6 best championship players of last season as replacements, we'd be in a far better position. It's what I expected rowett to do yet our approach is to add more premier league flops to our existing lot.
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Post by Veritas on Aug 19, 2018 19:39:52 GMT
Shit bin.
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Post by shipshape on Aug 19, 2018 19:45:34 GMT
I think it is conceivable. And then we'll just replace him with Johnson who's living on fumes at Bristol City.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 19, 2018 19:54:19 GMT
Rowett needs to go see Coates and tell him if he wants Stoke City back in the big time,he needs to get rid of the two Pizza eating Arsoles,because they are holding the club back.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 19, 2018 20:05:13 GMT
He’s been able to keep most of his better players and spend more than the majority of managers in this league. How has his discretion been fettered? Yes, there’s still a fair bit more we need but his job is to manage. He’s been backed considerably, even if the pizza boys have made some considerable fuck ups at the same time. Not saying that his discretion was fettered TA but if he were to leave he could probably concoct a credible narrative that would see blame apportioned elsewhere I think the outside world would struggle to perceive it as credible tbh.
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Post by Absolution on Aug 19, 2018 20:10:03 GMT
Not saying that his discretion was fettered TA but if he were to leave he could probably concoct a credible narrative that would see blame apportioned elsewhere I think the outside world would struggle to perceive it as credible tbh. It would only really matter to any prospective employers as to whether it was credible. I think it could be perceived as credible to anyone showing any interest in our shenanigans over the past couple of years. Having said that, his career would start to look a bit cotterillesq.
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Post by Gods on Aug 19, 2018 20:12:21 GMT
Seems a bit 'rabbit in the headlights' to me. Maybe my perception.I reckon Rowett's over emanamoured by the Bet365 circus and that. Needs to sort building his house out and concentrate on constructing the team, the nogger and his diction and such. Simple things. Takes a bit of getting used to after 5 years of Hughes cock sure schtick doesn't it? Although I suppose in the end it's a results business, doesn't matter too much whether you shape up well physically in an interview or not!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 19, 2018 20:14:19 GMT
I think the outside world would struggle to perceive it as credible tbh. It would only really matter to any prospective employers as to whether it was credible. I think it could be perceived as credible to anyone showing any interest in our shenanigans over the past couple of years. Having said that, his career would start to look a bit cotterillesq. Potential employers would really be the people who matter though wouldn’t they? I think in the context of who we still have on the books and what we’ve spent he’d struggle to get anyone playing even the world’s smallest violin for him if he tried to argue he couldn’t get more than he has out of what he’s got to work with.
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Post by basingstokie on Aug 19, 2018 20:20:38 GMT
He'd be a laughing stock if he walked. The very idea is laughable. Has there ever been a precedent in the history of the game of a manager quitting after 3 games? He'd never get another job, who could trust him? IF he thinks the club is rotten and basically unmanageable he'd be better off walking now and saying as much in his post departure interview. More sensible than hanging around for 6-12 months and achieving nothing.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 19, 2018 20:21:12 GMT
Seems a bit 'rabbit in the headlights' to me. Maybe my perception.I reckon Rowett's over emanamoured by the Bet365 circus and that. Needs to sort building his house out and concentrate on constructing the team, the nogger and his diction and such. Simple things. Takes a bit of getting used to after 5 years of Hughes cock sure schtick doesn't it? Although I suppose in the end it's a results business, doesn't matter too much whether you shape up well physically in an interview or not! I'm sure you saw Hughes' early doors volley in training. That's how you build respect and credibility in my book.
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Post by nutterpotter on Aug 19, 2018 20:28:22 GMT
He'd be a laughing stock if he walked. The very idea is laughable. Has there ever been a precedent in the history of the game of a manager quitting after 3 games? He'd never get another job, who could trust him? Bielsa walked after 2 days at Lazio
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Post by Absolution on Aug 19, 2018 20:28:36 GMT
It would only really matter to any prospective employers as to whether it was credible. I think it could be perceived as credible to anyone showing any interest in our shenanigans over the past couple of years. Having said that, his career would start to look a bit cotterillesq. Potential employers would really be the people who matter though wouldn’t they? I think in the context of who we still have on the books and what we’ve spent he’d struggle to get anyone playing even the world’s smallest violin for him if he tried to argue he couldn’t get more than he has out of what he’s got to work with. Man for man we look to have an impressive squad. But it still looks like a car with two steering wheels, no clutch and a windscreen you can't see out of. It depends what, if any promises were made. With hindsight it now looks like we should have sold all the crown jewels (such as they are) to allow him to reinvent the whole squad.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 19, 2018 20:32:35 GMT
Potential employers would really be the people who matter though wouldn’t they? I think in the context of who we still have on the books and what we’ve spent he’d struggle to get anyone playing even the world’s smallest violin for him if he tried to argue he couldn’t get more than he has out of what he’s got to work with. Man for man we look to have an impressive squad. But it still looks like a car with two steering wheels, no clutch and a windscreen you can't see out of. It depends what, if any promises were made. With hindsight it now looks like we should have sold all the crown jewels (such as they are) to allow him to reinvent the whole squad. There are problems, absolutely, and a lot we still need, but this squad should still be one of the stronger ones in this division for all that. It’s not like he’s been bequeathed a Sunderland job.
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Post by Absolution on Aug 19, 2018 20:40:57 GMT
Man for man we look to have an impressive squad. But it still looks like a car with two steering wheels, no clutch and a windscreen you can't see out of. It depends what, if any promises were made. With hindsight it now looks like we should have sold all the crown jewels (such as they are) to allow him to reinvent the whole squad. There are problems, absolutely, and a lot we still need, but this squad should still be one of the stronger ones in this division for all that. It’s not like he’s been bequeathed a Sunderland job. I hope you're right about that last point and I think you are. But I thought last season we looked strong enough on paper to be comfortable, and I also saw us get relegated under Ball with a squad that looked like challenging for promotion at the onset. I'm nowhere near panicking, but the confidence thing can be a killer. We need a first win quickly to avoid a colossal cock-up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2018 20:42:10 GMT
He's got a reputation of walking. He won't do it again in a hurry.
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Post by Absolution on Aug 19, 2018 20:50:16 GMT
He's got a reputation of walking. He won't do it again in a hurry. He's never walked without having somewhere to walk to.
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Post by Gods on Aug 19, 2018 20:52:33 GMT
Takes a bit of getting used to after 5 years of Hughes cock sure schtick doesn't it? Although I suppose in the end it's a results business, doesn't matter too much whether you shape up well physically in an interview or not! I'm sure you saw Hughes' early doors volley in training. That's how you build respect and credibility in my book. Yes of course, if you can get a trademark volley away in the first week you're off and running :-)
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 19, 2018 20:57:40 GMT
I'm sure you saw Hughes' early doors volley in training. That's how you build respect and credibility in my book. Yes of course, if you can get a trademark volley away in the first week you're off and running :-) Would have at least liked to see Gary hoop one as he left the Baseball Ground. Mixing metaphors etc.
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Post by smatty88 on Aug 19, 2018 22:23:05 GMT
Why would he walk? He's only just signed a bumper contract with us and brought a load of staff with him. I'm sure he's confident enough in his own ability to turn things around, it's only been 3 games afterall.
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Post by pottarius on Aug 19, 2018 23:50:35 GMT
The very idea is laughable. Has there ever been a precedent in the history of the game of a manager quitting after 3 games? He'd never get another job, who could trust him? Bielsa walked after 2 days at Lazio If, by some miracle, Stoke had got him in the summer then I think he'd of walked within 2hours after meeting Carthorse to discuss possible recruits
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 20, 2018 0:04:03 GMT
He’s a good manager, he will back himself to get us going. Yet he couldn't back himself in January to keep us up. Did we even go in for him.
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Post by FrankButcher on Aug 20, 2018 0:27:12 GMT
Bielsa walked after 2 days at Lazio If, by some miracle, Stoke had got him in the summer then I think he'd of walked within 2hours after meeting Carthorse to discuss possible recruits
With Bielsa it's his way or the highway he wouldn't stand for the pizza boys and the shenanigans that go on!
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Post by Sfance on Aug 20, 2018 0:29:20 GMT
Yes, I think there’s a good chance he’ll walk. After giving Coates an ultimatum. It’s either me or the terrible twins.
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