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Post by miggoscfc on Aug 18, 2018 21:50:43 GMT
Ive never gotten into trouble or pepper sprayed at a game, but then again i have acted like a normal civilized person, you know following the rules being polite and that. For thise moaning that kids were there guess what my kids were too you know what i did ? Got them away from the situation like a responsible parent should have done as it was obviously a dangerous situation.
It may have been over the top but lets be honest here if you go around kicking doors down and antagonisg the situation you shouldnt really cry foul when something happens in return.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 21:51:47 GMT
Problem is - when you use pepper spray, and there are kids behind the provocateurs, the kids get done indiscriminately as do a lot of people not necessarily involved by virtue of being in the same area. Well it’s unfortunate in this circumstance. The police however have a duty to protect the public and themselves and to mantain order. And another one. Jesus fucking Christ. They have a duty to act within the powers afforded to them.
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Post by StokieNath on Aug 18, 2018 21:53:09 GMT
Well it’s unfortunate in this circumstance. The police however have a duty to protect the public and themselves and to mantain order. And another one. Jesus fucking Christ. They have a duty to act within the powers afforded to them. So do you agree that these weapons should carry on being absolute bellends and kicking doors down? Causing damage? Causing nasty scenes?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 21:53:14 GMT
Dont disagree that we have some absolute fucking mouth breathers supporting our club, however that was a completely disproportionate reaction by the police and a disgrace when there was clearly kids nearby caught in the crowd.... Surely, just behave properly, its not difficult. It’s about an appropriate response. That wasn’t one. I have no issue with criticising some of our fuckwit fans.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 21:57:22 GMT
Ive never gotten into trouble or pepper sprayed at a game, but then again i have acted like a normal civilized person, you know following the rules being polite and that. For thise moaning that kids were there guess what my kids were too you know what i did ? Got them away from the situation like a responsible parent should have done as it was obviously a dangerous situation. It may have been over the top but lets be honest here if you go around kicking doors down and antagonisg the situation you shouldnt really cry foul when something happens in return. Were you at St Andrews in 1990? Or Wigan just after Sir Stan died? It doesn’t matter how responsible a parent you are sometimes kids get caught up in these things, being polite would have solved fuck all on those occasions.... EDIT 1992 sorry, it was late....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 21:58:17 GMT
I've watched the video a few times now. That is Pulis!!! The copper on the far left in the vid! What a swine!
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 18, 2018 21:59:02 GMT
Ive never gotten into trouble or pepper sprayed at a game, but then again i have acted like a normal civilized person, you know following the rules being polite and that. For thise moaning that kids were there guess what my kids were too you know what i did ? Got them away from the situation like a responsible parent should have done as it was obviously a dangerous situation. It may have been over the top but lets be honest here if you go around kicking doors down and antagonisg the situation you shouldnt really cry foul when something happens in return. Well said.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 22:01:15 GMT
Ive never gotten into trouble or pepper sprayed at a game, but then again i have acted like a normal civilized person, you know following the rules being polite and that. For thise moaning that kids were there guess what my kids were too you know what i did ? Got them away from the situation like a responsible parent should have done as it was obviously a dangerous situation. It may have been over the top but lets be honest here if you go around kicking doors down and antagonisg the situation you shouldnt really cry foul when something happens in return. Were you at St Andrews in 1990? Or Wigan just after Sir Stan died? It doesn’t matter how responsible a parent you are sometimes kids get caught up in these things, being polite would have solved fuck all on those occasions.... I was at St Andrews in 1990. I took my young son out of danger.
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Post by miggoscfc on Aug 18, 2018 22:02:03 GMT
Ive never gotten into trouble or pepper sprayed at a game, but then again i have acted like a normal civilized person, you know following the rules being polite and that. For thise moaning that kids were there guess what my kids were too you know what i did ? Got them away from the situation like a responsible parent should have done as it was obviously a dangerous situation. It may have been over the top but lets be honest here if you go around kicking doors down and antagonisg the situation you shouldnt really cry foul when something happens in return. Were you at St Andrews in 1990? Or Wigan just after Sir Stan died? It doesn’t matter how responsible a parent you are sometimes kids get caught up in these things, being polite would have solved fuck all on those occasions.... I wasnt at those games no and i agree sometimes kids can get caught up in all kinds of situation. But in this isolated incident no a responsible parent should have sensed the danger and removed the child from the concourse. Im not saying the coppers didnt go too far but even if they didnt react in that manner a group of yobs giving it the 'big un' is no place for children you simply take them away from any such situation.
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Post by flea79 on Aug 18, 2018 22:02:28 GMT
Ive never gotten into trouble or pepper sprayed at a game, but then again i have acted like a normal civilized person, you know following the rules being polite and that. For thise moaning that kids were there guess what my kids were too you know what i did ? Got them away from the situation like a responsible parent should have done as it was obviously a dangerous situation. It may have been over the top but lets be honest here if you go around kicking doors down and antagonisg the situation you shouldnt really cry foul when something happens in return. Well said. This is just it I was on the concourse near where it happened and if they hadn’t been booting the doors it wouldn’t have been needed But just a line of coopers with shields was all that was needed To be honest that concourse today I didn’t feel safe it was too crowded by far,
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Post by Gods on Aug 18, 2018 22:04:48 GMT
Be interesting to get Malcolm Clarke 's take on this. I'm not sure where I stand on it just based on that short clip. There appear to be some folks giving it large facing off to the police but the pepper spray? I've never seen it used at a football match before and I've been around a long time in the proximity of many flash points away from home down the years. Is it normal for the police to carry it? Is it often used at football matches or was this a real exception? How toxic is it and how far might it spread? I don't know the answer to any of that stuff. I wouldn't hold my breath on the police officers internal inquiry referred to earlier which sounds like the police investigating themselves but if the FSF and their legal people got involved it could be interesting. A welcome distraction from our current on field ineptitude if nothing else!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 22:06:07 GMT
And another one. Jesus fucking Christ. They have a duty to act within the powers afforded to them. So do you agree that these weapons should carry on being absolute bellends and kicking doors down? Causing damage? Causing nasty scenes? You're missing the point. Any response to the behaviour (none of which can be seen on that clip) should be necessary and proportionate. The use of PAVA should be limited to situations where there is a threat of violence or where there is actual violence being used against officers or members of the public. It should be a measure of last resort and the officers should weigh up the fact that innocent people may be affected by the discharge of the liquid. Following discharge and subsequent restraint of individuals they should be offered appropriate medical treatment. Looking at that footage the use of PAVA was excessive and not in accordance with the guidelines for its use either before, during or after. They are licensed to carry for what you and I would be a section 5 firearm. They must therefore comply with the guidelines for its use. If they dont then they should be charged with a criminal offence just as you and I would be.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 22:09:15 GMT
Were you at St Andrews in 1990? Or Wigan just after Sir Stan died? It doesn’t matter how responsible a parent you are sometimes kids get caught up in these things, being polite would have solved fuck all on those occasions.... I was at St Andrews in 1990. I took my young son out of danger. Lucky you, I was sat in the barrier at the front with Birmingham fans rushing towards us, and Stoke fans rushing down to meet them, and police running into the crowd. My old man tried being polite but didn’t get him anywhere unfortunately. Rather than getting all sanctimonious why can’t people just accept that despite trying to avoid it sometimes you just get caught up in these things in all innocence, as quite a few kids today did.....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 22:09:47 GMT
So do you agree that these weapons should carry on being absolute bellends and kicking doors down? Causing damage? Causing nasty scenes? The use of PAVA should be limited to situations where there is a threat of violence or where there is actual violence being used against officers or members of the public. Well said that man! I quite agree! From that short vid clip it is totally obvious that the police over reacted. The fans were behaving in a totally normal and peaceable manner.
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Post by loosestools on Aug 18, 2018 22:11:23 GMT
Why can't people just grow up and behave properly at other stadia? Its a disgrace and nothing to be proud of, we left this behavior behind 20 odd years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 22:12:18 GMT
I was at St Andrews in 1990. I took my young son out of danger. Lucky you, I was sat in the barrier at the front with Birmingham fans rushing towards us, and Stoke fans rushing down to meet them, and police running into the crowd. My old man tried being polite but didn’t get him anywhere unfortunately. Rather than getting all sanctimonious why can’t people just accept that despite trying to avoid it sometimes you just get caught up in these things in all innocence, as quite a few kids today did..... Where were the parents of these kids?
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Post by sunshine on Aug 18, 2018 22:14:21 GMT
The use of PAVA should be limited to situations where there is a threat of violence or where there is actual violence being used against officers or members of the public. Well said that man! I quite agree! From that short vid clip it is totally obvious that the police over reacted. The fans were behaving in a totally normal and peaceable manner. Totally disagree. In the vid there is clearly a group of our fans antagonising the cops. Dont want to get pepper sprayed? Then dont piss off the police
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 22:15:56 GMT
Well said that man! I quite agree! From that short vid clip it is totally obvious that the police over reacted. The fans were behaving in a totally normal and peaceable manner. Totally disagree. In the vid there is clearly a group of our fans antogonising the cops. Dont want to get pepper sprayed? Then dont piss off the police A bit of a "whooosh" moment here I think.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 18, 2018 22:17:09 GMT
Well said that man! I quite agree! From that short vid clip it is totally obvious that the police over reacted. The fans were behaving in a totally normal and peaceable manner. Totally disagree. In the vid there is clearly a group of our fans antogonising the cops. Dont want to get pepper sprayed? Then dont piss off the police What bollocks.
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Post by Royal Donut on Aug 18, 2018 22:17:33 GMT
Diabolical use of an incapcitant spray. In direct contradiction to the ACPO guidelines on the use of it. Spraying without any concern for who it might affect. I bet you a million pounds no one was offered advice on how to treat themselves once affected (part of ACPO guidelines). It can, in certain circumstances kill someone. I also bet you a million pounds some police sympathisers will be out blaming anyone but them and saying what a good job they do. Biggest gang in the UK. Authorised to carry firearms and weapons that can kill. Protected from criticism. Ridiculous. Police.....football....people getting killed,never will happen and no cover ups right from the top,,,,justice 96
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Post by miggoscfc on Aug 18, 2018 22:17:51 GMT
I was at St Andrews in 1990. I took my young son out of danger. Lucky you, I was sat in the barrier at the front with Birmingham fans rushing towards us, and Stoke fans rushing down to meet them, and police running into the crowd. My old man tried being polite but didn’t get him anywhere unfortunately. Rather than getting all sanctimonious why can’t people just accept that despite trying to avoid it sometimes you just get caught up in these things in all innocence, as quite a few kids today did..... Nah. Im not having it. If you walk onto the concourse with kids see this you simply turn back around and lead them away. We have sime morons in our midst and im always wary at every game and im vigilant enough and i have always avoided any trouble or any danger its just simple responsible parenting. Again your situation back in the day may have been different but this was totally avoidable by anybody whi didnt want to be there.
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Post by sunshine on Aug 18, 2018 22:18:50 GMT
Totally disagree. In the vid there is clearly a group of our fans antogonising the cops. Dont want to get pepper sprayed? Then dont piss off the police A bit of a "whooosh" moment here I think.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 18, 2018 22:19:35 GMT
Lucky you, I was sat in the barrier at the front with Birmingham fans rushing towards us, and Stoke fans rushing down to meet them, and police running into the crowd. My old man tried being polite but didn’t get him anywhere unfortunately. Rather than getting all sanctimonious why can’t people just accept that despite trying to avoid it sometimes you just get caught up in these things in all innocence, as quite a few kids today did..... Nah. Im not having it. If you walk onto the concourse with kids see this you simply turn back around and lead them away. We have sime morons in our midst and im always wary at every game and im vigilant enough and i have always avoided any trouble or any danger its just simple responsible parenting. Again your situation back in the day may have been different but this was totally avoidable by anybody whi didnt want to be there. It’s avoidable by the coppers not being dickheads too. Pepper spray in a football stadium? That just shouldn’t happen.
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Post by sunshine on Aug 18, 2018 22:20:22 GMT
A bit of a "whooosh" moment here I think. Ah yeah ok 🤣
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Post by Royal Donut on Aug 18, 2018 22:20:29 GMT
Well said that man! I quite agree! From that short vid clip it is totally obvious that the police over reacted. The fans were behaving in a totally normal and peaceable manner. Totally disagree. In the vid there is clearly a group of our fans antogonising the cops. Dont want to get pepper sprayed? Then dont piss off the police If they piss me off, can I spray the police?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 22:20:37 GMT
Nah. Im not having it. If you walk onto the concourse with kids see this you simply turn back around and lead them away. We have sime morons in our midst and im always wary at every game and im vigilant enough and i have always avoided any trouble or any danger its just simple responsible parenting. Again your situation back in the day may have been different but this was totally avoidable by anybody whi didnt want to be there. It’s avoidable by the coppers not being dickheads too. Pepper spray in a football stadium? That just shouldn’t happen. it shouldn't need to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 22:21:05 GMT
Totally disagree. In the vid there is clearly a group of our fans antogonising the cops. Dont want to get pepper sprayed? Then dont piss off the police If they piss me off, can I spray the police? No.
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Post by ParaPsych on Aug 18, 2018 22:21:09 GMT
You’ve gotta love some fans. They come the big almighty, throw ale etc, throw things at police, mouth off go for go at them etc. Yet the police respond and fans start crying. Happened at Leeds and happened at many grounds last season. This new breed of young dickhead are pathetic. Stone island coat on and they think they are the bollocks. First sign of trouble run like fuck and post it on twitter etc they have been badly treated Dont disagree that we have some absolute fucking mouth breathers supporting our club, however that was a completely disproportionate reaction by the police and a disgrace when there was clearly kids nearby caught in the crowd.... Hey, I suffer with stuffy sinuses quite often and regularly have to breath through my mouth as a result.
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Post by miggoscfc on Aug 18, 2018 22:21:15 GMT
Totally disagree. In the vid there is clearly a group of our fans antogonising the cops. Dont want to get pepper sprayed? Then dont piss off the police What bollocks. So its ok to be a bunch of fucking morons then damaging property and being a general dick head. How about just being a civilized person and not getting pepper sprayed ? From experience i can say it works wonders.
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Post by Royal Donut on Aug 18, 2018 22:23:12 GMT
If they piss me off, can I spray the police? No. What can I do then? If he answer is nothing then why can't they do nothing.
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