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Post by knowingeye on Aug 16, 2018 9:15:08 GMT
What is your expected achievement by the current squad and management by Christmas 2018?
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 16, 2018 9:28:56 GMT
Success is promotion. Anything else is failure. I'd say that even the play-offs are failure.
Whether or not this squad is currently capable of that is neither here nor there really. If it's not, then that just indicates failure.
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Post by smatty88 on Aug 16, 2018 9:32:51 GMT
Success is promotion. Anything else is failure. I'd say that even the play-offs are failure. Whether or not this squad is currently capable of that is neither here nor there really. If it's not, then that just indicates failure. My expectations aren't as high as this, I'd be happy to see us in and around the play-offs. Rowett needs time to get his message across because at the moment we don't seem to know what we're doing. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 16, 2018 9:35:39 GMT
I think the owners will finally get it into their skulls what a 'major overhaul' actually means come May.
It will be a season wasted, a few more fans lost and another season with our snouts out of the trough but what's that compared to some people's egos, eh?
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Post by exiledpotter on Aug 16, 2018 9:58:17 GMT
For me, success is having a competitive team that looks like it could win every game and ends up in the play offs (obviously I'd prefer automatic promotion). I'd like a run in the FA CUP too, but that will depend on us getting good draws to build up a head of steam.
Success by Christmas is a Stoke team that our fans want to watch and that no-one wants to play ... and that players want to sign for in January as the rebuilding continues.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Aug 16, 2018 10:05:48 GMT
Staying up at the moment I would deem success.
Double Relegation has happened before to other clubs
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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 16, 2018 10:13:01 GMT
Need to be in the race for the top 2 positions.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 16, 2018 10:25:35 GMT
3 months ago anything other than promotion would be failure (either automatically or play off winners)
Now I'm not sure. I certainly think the management have done a cracking job of lowering expectations.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 16, 2018 10:42:26 GMT
Success is promotion. Anything else is failure. I'd say that even the play-offs are failure. Whether or not this squad is currently capable of that is neither here nor there really. If it's not, then that just indicates failure. It can't be anything else but this. Scholes said as recently as a few days ago, that the club have made it quite clear, that the intention is go back up straight away. We have spent more money, bought more players and have a wage bill that far exceeds anybody else's. Whether the money spent (not just on the players but on the manager and senior executives as well) has been spent wisely, is still yet to be determined however. |
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Aug 16, 2018 10:53:28 GMT
Staying up at the moment I would deem success. Double Relegation has happened before to other clubs #ambition. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 10:54:45 GMT
We won't get promotion.
It's as simple as that. For everything we have done so far, we simply have as much to do again IMO.
That's nothing against the club or Rowett, just an honest opinion of the situation.
I think every one of us are guilty of underestimating the challenge, starting in the boardroom and ending on the terraces, to varying degrees.
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 16, 2018 10:55:29 GMT
Anything but promotion is failure.
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Post by lordb on Aug 16, 2018 11:19:12 GMT
the op was asking what measure by xmas 2018
challenging for promotion, so within 6 points of top I suppose.
By May, promotion
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 16, 2018 11:23:17 GMT
Right amongst the promotion pack on 31 December.
A “very” positive January transfer window
Promotion
Anything less than promotion will be an abject failure and reflect the complete inadequate recruitment policy/process introduced and managed by Tony Scholes with the employment of Hoss Cartwright in December 2012
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Post by tony1234 on Aug 16, 2018 11:27:46 GMT
Expectation - 12th-14th at Xmas; stop the downward trajectory. Start to see 1-2 good performances
End of season 8th = good, 10th = par - Late run for PO challenge. Winning habit
Next season 1st/2nd.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 16, 2018 11:29:05 GMT
By Christmas we need to be no more then ten points off the top two.
I have an irrational hope we will get better as the season goes on
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Post by stiggerstackle on Aug 16, 2018 11:31:58 GMT
By Christmas we need to be no more then ten points off the top two. I have an irrational hope we will get better as the season goes on I don't think we have a choice!!!  |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 16, 2018 11:33:39 GMT
We won't get promotion. It's as simple as that. For everything we have done so far, we simply have as much to do again IMO. That's nothing against the club or Rowett, just an honest opinion of the situation. I think every one of us are guilty of underestimating the challenge, starting in the boardroom and ending on the terraces, to varying degrees. I think your comment “every one of us” is incorrect. Nobody in my circle of friends and relatives underestimated the challenges that would be faced this season |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 16, 2018 11:56:58 GMT
Still early days but the Club still feels a mess , fans early enthusisam following the lessons learned message seems to be ebbing away as we see that none have so far.
Rowett has been unable to have any positive impact its hard to know whether thats his fault or just the state the club seems to be in .
Personally I hoped for a major summer clear out and a season of putting together a strong hungry team that might push for the play offs at the end of this season but have a real go for automatic promotion next before the money runs out .
Now I see bottom half and Championship football or worse for quite a while , we have gone down the same route as the past few seasons in terms of signings and far too few of the squad have been moved on . This must be costing a fortune in wasted wages.
Lets see how our group looks on Sept 1st but I think it would would need more activity than the past few windows in terms of loans in and out to put things right as far as this season is concerned , we have mid table written all over us .
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Post by foster on Aug 16, 2018 11:57:21 GMT
Considering we kept most of the team, brought in a few additions, have the parachute payments and the infrastructure developed during the Prem years, anything other than promotion is failure.
The clubs been saying the same since the day we went down.
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Post by foster on Aug 16, 2018 12:03:10 GMT
the op was asking what measure by xmas 2018 challenging for promotion, so within 6 points of top I suppose. By May, promotion Promotion by Christmas. Anything else is a failure of epic proportions. |
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Post by rawli on Aug 16, 2018 13:08:09 GMT
Considering we kept most of the team, brought in a few additions, have the parachute payments and the infrastructure developed during the Prem years, anything other than promotion is failure. The clubs been saying the same since the day we went down. Think I've had it confirmed what I knew anyway. Most of the team are shit and are clinging to the club for their financial lives. They are swallowing up the parachute payments (which is fair enough as that is what they are designed for). Not finishing top 6 will be failure. Not being top half at Christmas will be failure. Getting out of this league is harder than staying in the premier league. As Brentford supporters sang on Saturday 'Premier League and you fucked it up'. Hope the hierarchy heard it. |
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Post by pavel on Aug 16, 2018 13:13:10 GMT
I think the owners will finally get it into their skulls what a 'major overhaul' actually means come May. It will be a season wasted, a few more fans lost and another season with our snouts out of the trough but what's that compared to some people's egos, eh? As long as it includes the whole shebang, which of course it won’t. |
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Post by wearepremierleague on Aug 16, 2018 13:32:02 GMT
I don't think we will anywhere near promotion
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 13:39:11 GMT
Our squad is easily good enough, barring a defensive midfielder, to absolutely walk this league.
Whether they do it themselves mentally or on the pitch is another matter.
Not being promoted is a failure. I expect the league title with the team and money we have.
I'm more than slightly sceptical that we'll get it.
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Post by madeleystokie on Aug 16, 2018 14:25:00 GMT
I would like to think that after a slow start, we'd have started to generate some momentum that'll put us in the top ten by Christmas. It's a long slog of a season but if we're at the right end by then, there's no reason why we can't put a run together to challenge for promotion. But this is Stoke, we never know what we're going to get from them  |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 16, 2018 14:48:01 GMT
Hopefully by Christmas we havnt got the player who the fans have less beef with speaking after games about how "we know we can do better but we need to show it on the pitch"
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Post by Northy on Aug 16, 2018 14:48:59 GMT
Top 4 at Christmas, and only a couple of points off the top, anything else shouldnt be tolreated. A good January window to take us into the top two and nothing less otherwise heads should roll, - the pizza boys
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 16, 2018 14:52:18 GMT
If we can string a few wins together I think we will look a different proposition. It's all about confidence and then the players will gain an extra yard.
My prediction is 5th at Christmas.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Aug 16, 2018 14:55:17 GMT
We won't get promotion. It's as simple as that. For everything we have done so far, we simply have as much to do again IMO. That's nothing against the club or Rowett, just an honest opinion of the situation. I think every one of us are guilty of underestimating the challenge, starting in the boardroom and ending on the terraces, to varying degrees. I think your comment “every one of us” is incorrect. Nobody in my circle of friends and relatives underestimated the challenges that would be faced this season Agreed mate. In fact i'd go as far to say that anyone who did underestimate the challenge of the Championship has probably never seen or experienced the Championship before. Those that thought it would be a relative stroll in the park are a real minority i'd say. |
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