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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 12, 2018 7:11:34 GMT
Why do you want a central midfielder to play in the wing? Clucas has played as a left winger loads of times. When? He’s a midfielder, that’s where he’s most effective. He’d be no better than McClean on the wing.
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 12, 2018 7:12:40 GMT
Is Pieters so bad that some want Clucas to start as left back simply because he's left footed? When Clucas is fit he has to replace McClean. We need a proper left back on loan, I'm sure our esteemed transfer team can find a half decent one somewhere on planet earth? Why do you want a central midfielder to play in the wing? I don't want him to play on the wing, I want him left side of midfield. If McClean is the only option as a left winger I wouldn't play one.
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Post by samba :) on Aug 12, 2018 7:13:30 GMT
Alot, weve somehow managed to assemble a side worse than last seasons
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 12, 2018 7:13:45 GMT
Clucas has played as a left winger loads of times. When? He’s a midfielder, that’s where he’s most effective. He’d be no better than McClean on the wing. In his entire career hasn’t he? And he is. I’m better than that useless fucker on the wing.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 12, 2018 7:15:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 7:17:58 GMT
He's a quicker version of Nigel Gleghorn. Plays wide but can play in the middle.
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Post by stokesupporter on Aug 12, 2018 7:23:13 GMT
I'm tired of hearing Choupo and Imbula don't play hard. Well as manager it's your job to incorporate players. Rowett, these two players have shown they have real Premier League quality at times. They have much higher ceilings than McClean and Fletcher. I don't care if Fletcher and McClean are currently working harder. Do your job and get the most out of the players were have. This could even be said for Berahino but honestly he might be a lost cause. Imbula and Choupo-Moting belong in our starting XI and we need both a manager and captain that can motivate them to play hard. If they do we up our class on the pitch by a lot. Here, here. I'd like to see Imbula and Choupo given a chance because we simply need to do something different to get some points under our belt. Berahino in the other hand offers us nothing.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 12, 2018 7:24:55 GMT
He's a quicker version of Nigel Gleghorn. Plays wide but can play in the middle. Yeah. “Versatile as fuck” is what I’ve been describing him as. But the midfield thing has been a newer development of that after he started on the wing. If we can sign a DM, I’d happily have him on the left if it means no McClean.
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 12, 2018 7:33:25 GMT
The player himself says he’s a central midfielder as that’s where he’s most comfortable. I’d agree with him.
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 12, 2018 7:35:55 GMT
Is Pieters so bad that some want Clucas to start as left back simply because he's left footed? When Clucas is fit he has to replace McClean. We need a proper left back on loan, I'm sure our esteemed transfer team can find a half decent one somewhere on planet earth? Why do you want a central midfielder to play in the wing? Probably because none of Are current midfielders seem able to play in the middle
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 12, 2018 7:36:41 GMT
The player himself says he’s a central midfielder as that’s where he’s most comfortable. I’d agree with him. He’s a left back, left winger and central midfielder. He’s played 4 times more games on the left wing than other other position according to that. Which shows when, it shows how and it shows that he’s probably better than McClean there. I think he’ll be used where needed.
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Post by clarkeda on Aug 12, 2018 7:40:25 GMT
Butland Bauer williams Bruno Eric Clucas allen etebo Bojan/Ince Afobe Berahino
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 7:46:54 GMT
Pieters- Only because there's no one else Tymon's still around. I know he was troubled last year, but he's a year older, and he's not going to face the likes of Willian and Valencia, so he should at least be given a chance to show whether he's learned anything, especially as Pieters is so poor.
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 12, 2018 7:53:52 GMT
Pieters- Only because there's no one else Tymon's still around. I know he was troubled last year, but he's a year older, and he's not going to face the likes of Willian and Valencia, so he should at least be given a chance to show whether he's learned anything, especially as Pieters is so poor. Tymon struggled to get a game at a relegated League 1 team last season, I'm not sure he's the answer.
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Post by stokemark on Aug 12, 2018 7:59:09 GMT
Fuck me what a horrible mess our squad is - I don't really see any combination of what we have being sufficient to make a fist of things and we have simply bought more old, slow, failures to add to the mix
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Post by wearepremierleague on Aug 12, 2018 8:02:33 GMT
The saddest thing of it all is I think there is simply too much to change for us to have a successful season. So I think we’re in for a battle for mid table at best. Rowett- needs to actually try and tell the players to play football. Jesus I would love to swap him for Brentford’s manager Pieters- need a new LB really Shawcross- needs replacing with a defender who can play from the back. Every time their keeper had it yesterday he played it short to defenders who were comfortable on the ball. We played it to Ryan who pumped it 40 yards to Adobe’s head. Fletcher/ Allen/ Etebo- only one of them can play because they simply do not offer for the ball. They have no idea how to find space and create an attack. McClean - get rid, he’s absolutely shite. Worrying thing is Rowett chased him and spent good money on him so I don’t expect him to be out of the side any time soon
Again, we could sign any players we want. At the end of the day Rowett still has no idea how to create a footballing team
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Post by modfather on Aug 12, 2018 8:09:13 GMT
We have to change that left side.. I can't wait till clucas is fit. McLean and pieters are abysmal down that side and we will be no where near promotion if they continue to play together imo Clucas is the opposite of them pair and just what we need I think
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Post by modfather on Aug 12, 2018 8:13:33 GMT
Massive week or so in the loan market coming up Hopefully rowett can see what we can see regarding that left side...
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Aug 12, 2018 8:14:16 GMT
I think we should go 5 3 2
Butland
Bauer Indi Cameron Williams McClean
Ndiaye Fletcher Allen
Crouch Afobe
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Post by woodin43 on Aug 12, 2018 9:54:18 GMT
Clive Clarke had some interesting comments on players during the commentary... Bauer... good going forward but can't defend. Pieters... I've been saying he's rubbish for three years. Shawcross...he has a glass back. MacLean.. has been a very lucky footballer. Afobe... apart from the goal has offered very little. Martins Indi...gets injured too often. Made me laugh anyway.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Aug 12, 2018 10:04:04 GMT
Even with the shite start I don’t think it will be long before we click. It will take time to adjust to the league and get the new players and old working as a ‘team’. Plus we have a new manager who needs a few games surely? Before we can truely judge. Hopefully Clucas will be available soon to replace Fletcher and fingers crossed we pick up a good loanee or two. Early September will be a better time to judge, then we can all chuck ourselves of a cliff😂 if it’s all Pete tong then.
I believe we have enough, just need a little time and a bit of positivity
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Post by right on Aug 12, 2018 17:15:04 GMT
Butland Bauer Indi Williams Cameron Etebo Imbula Ince Bojan Choupo Afobe
Now I know Geoff doesn't play LB but Pieters has been so bad I can't imagine anybody being worse. I just don't know what we do here. Time for Shawcross to see the bench. Would like to see Imbula and Choupo-Moting incorporated again. They have PL talent in there somewhere. Allen offers energy from the bench. Fletcher needs to go.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 22:48:18 GMT
Tymon's still around. I know he was troubled last year, but he's a year older, and he's not going to face the likes of Willian and Valencia, so he should at least be given a chance to show whether he's learned anything, especially as Pieters is so poor. Tymon struggled to get a game at a relegated League 1 team last season, I'm not sure he's the answer. It makes zero difference. What matters is that he went there and got some experience of first team football. Who knows why he wasn't picked...maybe he was poor, maybe the manager had another leftback on his books who'd recovered, anything. Tbh I don't recall which club he played at, if they changed their manager midseason, but they might have, in which case the new manager might not have favoured players brought in by his predecessor. The only way we'll find out if he's any good is by playing him, at least as a sub at first and then a couple of full games. He did not look good for us, but then playing the likes of Chelsea and ManU among the first few games isn't exactly what you'd call careful nurturing.
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Post by musik on Aug 12, 2018 22:58:24 GMT
Maybe we should play 2-3-5 as they did in the old days, WAY BACK, when there weren't that much of defensive strategies?
---------- Butland ----------
----- Shawcross-Williams ----
Bauer ----- Etebo ---- Clucas
Ince-Berah-Afobe-Crouch-McCl.
Oh, Happy days!
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Post by musik on Aug 13, 2018 14:10:17 GMT
Maybe we should play 2-3-5 as they did in the old days, WAY BACK, when there weren't that much of defensive strategies? ---------- Butland ---------- ----- Shawcross-Williams ---- Bauer ----- Etebo ---- Clucas Ince-Berah-Afobe-Crouch-McCl. Oh, Happy days! Now when I come to think of it, it isn't that bad actually. When under pressure, Bauer and Clucas drop down in defence, and Ince and McCleyn on each side of Etebo, 4-3-3.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 14:19:28 GMT
I don't know where Clucas plays but i assume he's a centre mid, so:
Butland Bauer (2 from Shawcross/BMI/Williams dependent on form) Pieters New DM Clucas Ince Bojan New Winger Afobe
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 13, 2018 18:15:58 GMT
5-2-1-2 WB
...............JB.............. ..........RS...AW...BMI........ ......MB.................JM.... ............JA....OE........... ..............BK/TI............ ..........SB........BA.........
4-4-2
Bauer as a right winger with Edwards at right back.
Again, Edwards is a good crosser of the ball and can get up and down. Bauer's pace would be a nightmare for opposistion teams at right wing he can also cross well aswell. I'd be tempted to try to use Ince on the left wing. Take your pick for the striker combination.
Pace down both flanks & two up front
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Aug 13, 2018 19:17:43 GMT
I reckon 5 3 2
Butland
Bauer Cameron Indi Williams McClean
Imbula Ndiaye Ince
Crouch Afobe
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Post by tony1234 on Aug 13, 2018 23:38:34 GMT
Maybe we should play 2-3-5 as they did in the old days, WAY BACK, when there weren't that much of defensive strategies? ---------- Butland ---------- ----- Shawcross-Williams ---- Bauer ----- Etebo ---- Clucas Ince-Berah-Afobe-Crouch-McCl. Oh, Happy days! Genuis. Youve actually chosen a variant of one of the classic formations from th 1860s - www.football-bible.com/soccer-info/old-football-formations.html(Too cautious for the modern day, surely - can't you move Bauer and Clucas into your front 5....?)
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 14, 2018 1:04:08 GMT
Anyone who chose Berahino wants sectioning.
Anyonw who chose Geoff or Choupo, today's news suggests they are personae non grata.
Anyone who chose Sam, he is out for another month.
After all that, we need 3 quality loans to try to help to stop the rot. For me, defensive midfielder, winger and forward. I'd take a new left back too, if one's going.
Let's see what XI we can put together by the end of August.
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