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Post by knype on Aug 10, 2018 8:47:11 GMT
And all these calling for Bojan after last Sunday's cameo, could they please tell me exactly what was created or what he did? He did put over a nice ball for Crouch. We looked marginally better when he was on. I’m by no means one of these googly eyed Bojan zealots who stick their fingers in their ears and pretend he’s still completely amazing and only a conspiracy the size of the Kennedy assassination is preventing him dazzling us all every week. But we’re crying out for creativity and he’s one of less than a handful of players on the books with that in his locker. I like Bojan but he didnt track back, didnt go in for tackles and seemed too light and not up for the fight sadly like a lot of them! I am just hoping that it was just a poor team game and we are much better this week...
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 10, 2018 8:54:20 GMT
Was it him whoring himself around or his agent? We have Tom Ince in the ranks so maybe he now feels more at home with a like minded individual alongside him? And all these calling for Bojan after last Sunday's cameo, could they please tell me exactly what was created or what he did? He passed the ball to a player in purple, was quite elusive and generally injected a bit of life into our forward play. As daft as it seems, we could have come back at the death and grabbed a 3-3 draw with Crouch's header (from Bojan's cross) then the little fella himself having one cleared off the line. Throw in BMI's looping header over the bar, when he really should have scored, and I'm now wondering how the hell we didn't win 4-3
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 10, 2018 9:08:13 GMT
He did put over a nice ball for Crouch. We looked marginally better when he was on. I’m by no means one of these googly eyed Bojan zealots who stick their fingers in their ears and pretend he’s still completely amazing and only a conspiracy the size of the Kennedy assassination is preventing him dazzling us all every week. But we’re crying out for creativity and he’s one of less than a handful of players on the books with that in his locker. I like Bojan but he didnt track back, didnt go in for tackles and seemed too light and not up for the fight sadly like a lot of them! I am just hoping that it was just a poor team game and we are much better this week... I thought it was the liveliest he’d looked for a long time to be honest - seemed to have the confidence to run at players and find space. Number 10 is the one role in the side where you don’t need to track back as much, so it’s not too much of a problem. I hope it was just an off day as well but all of the issues from pre-season were present and correct and it’s currently hard to see is creating much or where chances are going to come from. Hopefully the loan window helps address that.
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Post by jeycov on Aug 10, 2018 9:21:56 GMT
Even the introduction of Ashley Williams may help boost some confidence which is lacking in many of our players at the moment
He is one player who is not "recovering" from last seasons relegation
Does he replace Martins Indi? Ryan? Play as part of 3 at the back?
I think that Rowett will use him in some capacity tomorrow
I would start Bojan ahead of Badou unless theres has been a major upturn of commitment since last weekend's game
Although Bojans input divides opinion, there's no denying the positive reaction of most of the fans when he plays and I'm sure this would filter through to the team
I think he did make a difference last week in the limited time he had
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Post by knype on Aug 10, 2018 9:24:38 GMT
Even the introduction of Ashley Williams may help boost some confidence which is lacking in many of our players at the moment He is one player who is not "recovering" from last seasons relegation Does he replace Martins Indi? Ryan? Play as part of 3 at the back? I think that Rowett will use him in some capacity tomorrow I would start Bojan ahead of Badou unless theres has been a major upturn of commitment since last weekend's game Although Bojans input divides opinion, there's no denying the positive reaction of most of the fans when he plays and I'm sure this would filter through to the team I think he did make a difference last week in the limited time he had I personally would replace Ryan, especially after his comments after the match!
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 10, 2018 9:51:44 GMT
Just that he'd rather be anywhere else than Stoke Dave and has been whoring himself around to anyone that'd have him. Was it him whoring himself around or his agent? We have Tom Ince in the ranks so maybe he now feels more at home with a like minded individual alongside him? Can't answer that Dave but if it was his agent running solo he needs sacking. His attitude to me is just all wrong, apparently awol for part of pre season and on the pitch looks like a kid that has thrown the toys outta the pram.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 10, 2018 9:54:51 GMT
Was it him whoring himself around or his agent? We have Tom Ince in the ranks so maybe he now feels more at home with a like minded individual alongside him? Can't answer that Dave but if it was his agent running solo he needs sacking. His attitude to me is just all wrong, apparently awol for part of pre season and on the pitch looks like a kid that has thrown the toys outta the pram. He missed 1 day of his pre-season and despite question marks over his commitment he was the best performer out of Allen, Etebo and himself on Sunday (in my opinion). If we are picking a team purely on performance level, then Etebo and Allen would be for the chop before Badou if I were selecting the team.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 10, 2018 10:39:31 GMT
Can't answer that Dave but if it was his agent running solo he needs sacking. His attitude to me is just all wrong, apparently awol for part of pre season and on the pitch looks like a kid that has thrown the toys outta the pram. He missed 1 day of his pre-season and despite question marks over his commitment he was the best performer out of Allen, Etebo and himself on Sunday (in my opinion). If we are picking a team purely on performance level, then Etebo and Allen would be for the chop before Badou if I were selecting the team. Fair enough but for me I hope we offload him for a decent price. I just think his demeanour screams I don't want to be here.
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Post by adi on Aug 10, 2018 10:43:58 GMT
I think Fletch will come in for Badou. Rowett was at pains to point out how much things improved when he came on at Leeds. Could've been a dig at Badou rather than praise of fletch??
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Post by adi on Aug 10, 2018 10:49:40 GMT
His attitude will change once he realises he's here for the season. .....you hope
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Post by adi on Aug 10, 2018 10:50:13 GMT
He did put over a nice ball for Crouch. We looked marginally better when he was on. I’m by no means one of these googly eyed Bojan zealots who stick their fingers in their ears and pretend he’s still completely amazing and only a conspiracy the size of the Kennedy assassination is preventing him dazzling us all every week. But we’re crying out for creativity and he’s one of less than a handful of players on the books with that in his locker. I like Bojan but he didnt track back, didnt go in for tackles and seemed too light and not up for the fight sadly like a lot of them! I am just hoping that it was just a poor team game and we are much better this week... We should have enough cover to negate that though with Allen and Etebo
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Post by shakermaker on Aug 10, 2018 11:16:30 GMT
Summer window's closed now and there's nothing Badou can do about it, so he just needs to get his head right, play the way we know he can and see if a Premier League team comes in for him in January. If we're smashing the league by then, he may decide to stick around anyway.
At Leeds it was Badou playing a lone DM role and that isn't really his game. So against Brentford, I say let's play an offensive 4-3-3 - Allen and Etebo protecting the defence and Badou playing at the spike. That'll allow him to get forward more.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 10, 2018 11:18:33 GMT
Summer window's closed now and there's nothing Badou can do about it, so he just needs to get his head right, play the way we know he can and see if a Premier League team comes in for him in January. If we're smashing the league by then, he may decide to stick around anyway. At Leeds it was Badou playing a lone DM role and that isn't really his game. So against Brentford, I say let's play an offensive 4-3-3 - Allen and Etebo protecting the defence and Badou playing at the spike. That'll allow him to get forward more. Etebo looks the most attacking of the three. Badou can still go this month too.
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Post by cheadlestokie on Aug 10, 2018 11:21:14 GMT
Only Rowett and his staff will be able to have some idea as to whether the Leeds performance was affected by a wish to get away or because he only apparently had one 45 minutes against Wolves,picked up an injury and then only had one training session prior to the game.
Must admit my immediate thought was the former because of his performance against Wolves,but we shall have to wait and see.
I do feel that perhaps a few of our players were not fully fit, after all four of them were injured and did not travel to Germany yet three played and one was brought on as sub.
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Post by MooG on Aug 10, 2018 11:59:54 GMT
Unless there's some concrete reason for his performance against Leeds that is now sorted - No.
Bojan could hardly provide less defensive cover, or maybe we could move Ince inside with Bauer or Diouf on the wing (how can we have such a big squad and so few options in key areas). Anything to get somebody within shouting distance of Afobe; who must at times have thought he was the victim of a prank where the rest of the team had sneaked off down the pub without telling him.
I expect Rowett will bring in Fletcher and (I can't believe I'm going to type this) that might improve us by giving the midfielders better defined roles.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 10, 2018 12:03:06 GMT
Would drop badou back to the bench and play 442. Reading Phillips comments on Berahino would give him a start alongside Afobe this week to see if he can actually do it. Butland Bauer Shawcross Indi Pieters Ince Allen Etebo McClean Berahino Afobe Federici Crouch Bojan Badou Williams Fletcher Cameron In the absence of a decent number 10 I'd give that a try at home.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 10, 2018 12:13:29 GMT
Would drop badou back to the bench and play 442. Reading Phillips comments on Berahino would give him a start alongside Afobe this week to see if he can actually do it. Butland Bauer Shawcross Indi Pieters Ince Allen Etebo McClean Berahino Afobe Federici Crouch Bojan Badou Williams Fletcher Cameron In the absence of a decent number 10 I'd give that a try at home. What, with Berahino in the side?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 10, 2018 12:16:55 GMT
In the absence of a decent number 10 I'd give that a try at home. What, with Berahino in the side? Yeah, I'd play Afobe just behind Berahinho. I'd give it a go because we're not creating anything otherwise. It's worth a try, anything is better than the piss poor performance and tactics last weekend.
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Post by Dingdangdoo on Aug 10, 2018 12:17:30 GMT
Surely we need 2 up front at home??
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 10, 2018 12:27:18 GMT
What, with Berahino in the side? Yeah, I'd play Afobe just behind Berahinho. I'd give it a go because we're not creating anything otherwise. It's worth a try, anything is better than the piss poor performance and tactics last weekend. And...Berahino...is the...answer to that? I’m not following you, sorry.
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Post by shakermaker on Aug 10, 2018 13:18:21 GMT
Summer window's closed now and there's nothing Badou can do about it, so he just needs to get his head right, play the way we know he can and see if a Premier League team comes in for him in January. If we're smashing the league by then, he may decide to stick around anyway. At Leeds it was Badou playing a lone DM role and that isn't really his game. So against Brentford, I say let's play an offensive 4-3-3 - Allen and Etebo protecting the defence and Badou playing at the spike. That'll allow him to get forward more. Etebo looks the most attacking of the three. Badou can still go this month too. I stand corrected. So yeah, as cheadlestokie said it's down to whether GR believes Badou's head is in the right place. If so, then I also agree with you that Etebo is a more attacking player, but he is also a better DM than Badou. That's why I felt Etebo was better deployed in DM and hopefully, Badou can prove his worth further forward. If Badou isn't mentally fit to play then stick Bojan in from the start, either in place of Badou in that 4-3-3 or as a 4-4-2 inside striker.
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Post by mouseykanga2 on Aug 10, 2018 18:38:42 GMT
Imbula in front of the Allen and etebo..just behind afobe..... Give him a free run through the middle, we won't be so reliant on the 2 wingers and will open spaces up.
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Post by dexta on Aug 10, 2018 18:47:36 GMT
Imbula in front of the Allen and etebo..just behind afobe..... Give him a free run through the middle, we won't be so reliant on the 2 wingers and will open spaces up. what you on monkey dust
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Aug 10, 2018 18:51:33 GMT
In my opinion, we need to accept that he will be out on loan by the end of the month and start picking our players who will be here for the season. The sooner they gel and work out their favoured system the better.
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Post by Fred Merger on Aug 10, 2018 20:22:21 GMT
In my opinion, we need to accept that he will be out on loan by the end of the month and start picking our players who will be here for the season. The sooner they gel and work out their favoured system the better. I agree in that with Clucas coming in and Rowett still talking about a DM on loan, it would seem that they are planning to get Badou out on loan and so much off the wage bill.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 10, 2018 20:29:28 GMT
He'll drop Etebo.
Badou will be here this season, Rowett will keep him onside, and he was no worse than Etebo.
Etebo, still very young, needs to watch and learn and come off the bench initially.
Fletcher will come in as the holding player tomorrow
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Post by loosestools on Aug 10, 2018 20:33:04 GMT
He'll drop Etebo. Badou will be here this season, Rowett will keep him onside, and he was no worse than Etebo. Etebo, still very young, needs to watch and learn and come off the bench initially. Fletcher will come in as the holding player tomorrow A reasonable suggestion but that may piss a lot of people off.
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Post by TexasPotter on Aug 11, 2018 5:54:29 GMT
Hellllll naw. Son bitch moped for 65 last time out. Earn it bitch.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 11, 2018 6:36:03 GMT
All three midfielders had a mare last week - and I thought Allen had the worse game of all three,
If Rowett is going to play 3 in the middle again I think he'll go for the same three and I don't have a problem with that. If he plays 2 I think he'll drop Etebo on the grounds that he'll want the 2 to sit more and Etebo is still finding his feet.
There's a lot of speculation about Badou's attitude but that doesn't seem to square with the fact that Rowett picked him for the game last week. He clearly wants some players gone and he's keeping them at arms length from the what he considers to be his first team options. If Badou's attitude was really that bad I can't see Rowett showing any interest in playing him.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 11, 2018 11:12:55 GMT
Yeah, I'd play Afobe just behind Berahinho. I'd give it a go because we're not creating anything otherwise. It's worth a try, anything is better than the piss poor performance and tactics last weekend. And...Berahino...is the...answer to that? I’m not following you, sorry. Apparently he's been training well and his attitude has been right so yes I'd give this a go. If he can get a goal then he may go on a run at this level. He's certainly in last chance saloon that's for sure. Like I say it can't be any worse than what we saw last weekend.
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