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Post by reggio27 on Aug 8, 2018 7:53:21 GMT
We have never looked more solid than when we had this bad boy set up. Whelan or Whitehead under the simple instructions of protecting the back four, breaking up play, keep it simple and don't move out of your area. The gaps between the midfield and back four are so great a freight train could pass through and it's been an ongoing issue for so long. Solve that and a lot of issues would be solved, i'm sure.In Joe Allen we have got a player who really is ideal to the role. He harries, gets his foot in, has got the right temperament and can be a general annoyance. I don't see how this guy hasn't been moulded into a truly class defensive midfielder.
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Post by thegift on Aug 8, 2018 7:55:13 GMT
The reason it will never return is because the messiah isn't here. As a workman you may have amazing tools but if you don't know how to use them you are knackered.
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Aug 8, 2018 7:56:37 GMT
never thought I'd say it but I miss the cage. They say you don't know what you had till it's gone.
Boy I prefer to win 1 nil and be negative than get torn apart 4 nil with this bunch of wasters
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Post by thegift on Aug 8, 2018 7:58:08 GMT
never thought I'd say it but I miss the cage. They say you don't know what you had till it's gone. Boy I prefer to win 1 nil and be negative than get torn apart 4 nil with this bunch of wasters I Did say people would eventually come round to the fact pulis was our greatest ever manager. |
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Aug 8, 2018 8:00:58 GMT
never thought I'd say it but I miss the cage. They say you don't know what you had till it's gone. Boy I prefer to win 1 nil and be negative than get torn apart 4 nil with this bunch of wasters I Did say people would eventually come round to the fact pulis was our greatest ever manager. They destroyed the opposition last night. Boro are certainties for promotion to my mind. |
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Post by thegift on Aug 8, 2018 8:02:29 GMT
I Did say people would eventually come round to the fact pulis was our greatest ever manager. They destroyed the opposition last night. Boro are certainties for promotion to my mind. At time it wasn't the best, but fuck me serving up absolute dross and shithousing your way to win 1-0 is better than serving up absolute dross and getting spanked by Leeds from start to finish |
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Aug 8, 2018 8:07:01 GMT
They destroyed the opposition last night. Boro are certainties for promotion to my mind. At time it wasn't the best, but fuck me serving up absolute dross and shithousing your way to win 1-0 is better than serving up absolute dross and getting spanked by Leeds from start to finish Think we agree pal |
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 8, 2018 8:07:57 GMT
Explain the cage to me.
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Aug 8, 2018 8:08:56 GMT
Two central midfielders not allowed to move out of a 30 yard square |
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Post by thegift on Aug 8, 2018 8:11:44 GMT
Two central midfielders not allowed to move out of a 30 yard square Whilst the owner/leader of the cage is shouting every 5 seconds "Goarnnn Jon" |
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Aug 8, 2018 8:12:43 GMT
Two central midfielders not allowed to move out of a 30 yard square Whilst the owner/leader of the cage is shouting every 5 seconds "Goarnnn Jon" A lot of arm waving and taking instruction from a guy wearing the club shop. |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 8, 2018 8:14:26 GMT
I'm a Pulis fan and think he's one of our best ever managers, but "the cage" didn't always work. Did we ever have close to a positive goal difference under Pulis in the Premier League? There were games we never looked like losing less than 3-0.
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Post by lagwafis on Aug 8, 2018 8:15:57 GMT
We went from one extreme to the other following the break up of N'Zonzi and Whelan.
It makes you wonder what would have happened if the Mile Jedinak deal hadn't fallen through in the summer of 2015. That deal still feels like the closest we came to signing a genuine defensive midfielder under Hughes. Jedinak might not have got the pulses raising but he'd have probably saved us a couple of years struggling to strike a genuine balance in midfield, protecting the defence and granted greater freedom for the attacking midfielders.
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Post by thegift on Aug 8, 2018 8:18:43 GMT
Whilst the owner/leader of the cage is shouting every 5 seconds "Goarnnn Jon" A lot of arm waving and taking instruction from a guy wearing the club shop. Also has to be wearing a baseball style navy blue trucker cap.
That allows him to get instructions over in a more timely manner.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Aug 8, 2018 8:21:24 GMT
Pulis for me is the greatest manager we’ve had in 3 decades but before we resort to the cage we need to do the basics right. If the 4 idiots at the back don’t keep a flat line the cage won’t help.
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Post by thegift on Aug 8, 2018 8:23:45 GMT
Pulis for me is the greatest manager we’ve had in 3 decades but before we resort to the cage we need to do the basics right. If the 4 idiots at the back don’t keep a flat line the cage won’t help. That's where you need a leader, your pulis, Warnock, allardyce esque manager to come in |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 8, 2018 8:24:20 GMT
Or lets be like a normal team and have a balanced midfield.
What a thought.
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Post by dexta on Aug 8, 2018 8:28:29 GMT
Got to work haaaard
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Post by Gob Bluth on Aug 8, 2018 8:33:40 GMT
Pulis for me is the greatest manager we’ve had in 3 decades but before we resort to the cage we need to do the basics right. If the 4 idiots at the back don’t keep a flat line the cage won’t help. That's where you need a leader, your pulis, Warnock, allardyce esque manager to come in I believe it can be solved by assigning responsibility, tell Ryan any goal conceded due to a messy line is his fault. He should be spending 50% of the game worrying where the line is, the impact that has on the space for players in front of him and whether anyones breaking that line. Expecting players like Pieters who I’m not convinced has the football intelligence to make these types of decisions themselves is not a good position to be in. |
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 8, 2018 8:42:58 GMT
Stoke City supporters... always looking over their shoulders.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 8, 2018 8:48:41 GMT
Or lets be like a normal team and have a balanced midfield. What a thought. Yep and any style of football as long as there is a plan behind it and the right players to fulfil it. Its been three years now of just nothingness, just a disparate bunch of poorly trained players with questionable attitudes playing unsuitable systems under manager's devoid of any identifiable tactics or plan. Sadly this continued on Sunday. |
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Post by bigcashprizes on Aug 8, 2018 8:51:16 GMT
Man alive, I bloody dread a TP side ever winning a game. Is no-one bored of this debate yet?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 8:59:17 GMT
The Phantom Flan Flinger does return ."....YES
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Post by kristoff on Aug 8, 2018 8:59:22 GMT
Do people forget that the last season and a half under Pulis was almost as dreadful as last year? Fuck me alive, yes he got us promoted and kept us in the premier, but that wasn’t football. All the post bemoaning the championship and people are begging us to get a manager that plays that exact way.
I honestly and truly give up. Give Rowett a chance ffs
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 8, 2018 9:20:16 GMT
No need for a cage, we have exceptionally dynamic midfielders in Etebo and Allen who should be allowed to dominate the space behind the forwards when attacking and then drop back and screen the back 4 or sit in for the full backs when defending.
The problem with a cage is that you are then purely relying on your wingers and strikers for goals, no late runs into the box, nothing for the defenders to keep an eye on from the midfield area at all. Leeds had an amazing press without a cage, see Mateusz Klich's goal, it can be done. There are other ways of playing football than that which got us promoted 10 years ago.
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Post by Gods on Aug 8, 2018 9:26:40 GMT
This from Barney Ronay is still my favourite tribute to the great man. Try reading it without tears rolling down your face! "And if these really are the last days of disco for English football's last-century methods, it is tempting to think that one day they might just come again, that four years of Pulis-ball Stoke were just too great and too much fun to be gone for ever." Muscular tracksuit-husbandry |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 9:48:01 GMT
And the massive over reactions continue.
Bring back the cage my fucking fat hairy arse, have you lot heard yourselves?
Rowett has had no time at all yet to fully sort the mess that Hughes, Lambert and the rest have left him.
He needs time and a bit of patience because he's proved in the past that he knows how to assemble good sides in this division but it won't happen overnight.
What happened on Sunday will only serve to help Rowett no more about what he needs to make us stronger and eventually he will have the players he wants to suit a system that he wants to play.
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Post by Davef on Aug 8, 2018 9:50:33 GMT
Man alive, I bloody dread a TP side ever winning a game. Is no-one bored of this debate yet? You've only got to look at some of the trolls and attention-seekers getting the involved in this thread to find your answer. |
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Post by Gob Bluth on Aug 8, 2018 10:03:11 GMT
In a similar way to the lose on Sunday we can put this thread into context reggio is asking a fair question and putting his point across in a reasoned manner.
I too get frustrated with how much we talk about the past but am guilty of it myself. Most of my footballing opinions are born from Stoke so talking to fellow supporters will often reference previous tactics. We talk about Tony’s more than Kamara’s because they’re easy to identify and were a success.
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Aug 8, 2018 11:12:22 GMT
Man alive, I bloody dread a TP side ever winning a game. Is no-one bored of this debate yet? You've only got to look at some of the trolls and attention-seekers getting the involved in this thread to find your answer. Seems a good thread to me, admittedly is an opposing view to yours obviously |
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