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Post by gibby1409 on Jul 19, 2018 17:08:42 GMT
Charlie just said what many of us saw ourselves. Shaqiri is a good player but bone idle and a questionable attitude. Pure, unadulterated and unsubstantiated bollocks. Not idle? Based on what? No doubt about ability, but attitude is poor. In a normal workplace, which ours is, we have a description for people who are good at their jobs but have a piss poor attitude "Talented Wankers" And thats my pure unadulterated substantiated opinion about our little Swiss friend 😉
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Post by staffordstokie31 on Jul 19, 2018 17:37:59 GMT
Pure, unadulterated and unsubstantiated bollocks. Not idle? Based on what? No doubt about ability, but attitude is poor. In a normal workplace, which ours is, we have a description for people who are good at their jobs but have a piss poor attitude "Talented Wankers" And thats my pure unadulterated substantiated opinion about our little Swiss friend 😉 I'd have to agree ^^^
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 19, 2018 17:40:17 GMT
At the end of the day, whatever you think about Shaq, Charlie isn't in the position to be slagging off another footballer regarding attitude and professionalism.
That's the issue.
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Post by DentySCFC on Jul 19, 2018 17:40:30 GMT
Adam's up there with Wimmer is my most hated Stoke players. That Leicester cameo following the Brighton double miss was unforgivable. Then, he got sent off against Everton. Just fucking do one, you Jock twat. Not for his late winner v Manchester United, his part and goal in 6-1 drubbing of Liverpool, pivotal part in our highest ever league placing etc etc Wow Last season’s contributions ultimately outweigh the good stuff he did. Now he’s spouting absolute bollocks whilst being oblivious to his performances last season. He can fuck off.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 18:05:05 GMT
I just don't know where people find the time or energy to tweet to Charlie Adam that he's every expletive under the sun? Life's too short. Probably takes the same amount of time for you to write that post Ha, not the point though is it? This is a bit more normalmate.
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Post by tuum on Jul 19, 2018 18:25:19 GMT
I've always rated Charlie as a footballer but the sad truth is if the rest of the squad had just 10% of the skill, control, fitness and footballing vision of Shaq we wouldn't be where we are now, so it's a fuck off Charlie on this one Absolute fuckin bollocks.
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Post by thegift on Jul 19, 2018 18:29:24 GMT
Charlie is stealing a living
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Post by ursemboys on Jul 19, 2018 18:33:00 GMT
Would we ? nobody knows that for sure ,his replacement just might have worked harder and not stood around waving his little arms about having a tantrum and calling his own team mates poor , Charlie gets hammered for saying it how it is but Shaqiri did pretty much himself , I was always amazed how many matches he was injured , but he always managed to be fit for Switzerland ,how many times he stood there watching the ball , if you look at his appearances they where pretty poor other than last season which I admit where better ,he scored some great goals but I for one will shed no tears about him leaving ,Arnie was 10 times the player Shaqiri is ,we will see how world class he is next season . He missed a whole two games this season so how you can come out with bullshit statements like “he always managed to be fit for Switzerland” I aren’t quite sure. As for the previous two seasons whilst he was here being poor, he created the most chances in our team by far for them two years. And his team mates were poor. In fact, they were worse than poor. Shocking, embarassing, appalling, disastrous. I could continue but I hope you get the idea. I did say he had done better this season So you agree he was poor and did he f**k create the most chances ,he played 27 times in his first season and I have no idea how many times he came off injured (2015) He played 21 times the season after (2016) He played 36 times last season ,so yes he improved So 2015 season he played with poor players and we finished 9th So 2016 season he played with poor players and we finished 13th and yes we did have poor players last season and I did say he improved So regarding bullshit comments I think that applies to you matey I get the idea you'r a big fan of his but come on take the rose tinted glasses off
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Post by tuum on Jul 19, 2018 18:36:59 GMT
It's not related to ability, it's related to effort level & teamwork. Shaq was our most talented player last season, but at times his effort level and teamwork were abysmal- more so the last 3-4 games of the season. When you're in a relegation scrap you have to run and fight and give it 100% and IMO Shaq really failed to do that when we needed it most- especially our last couple of winnable home games. He's a classic example of the 80/20 rule. 80% of the time he's hidden and ineffective, 20% of the time he's world class- that 20% is enough for Joe Public to make excuses for him. Being a good footballer does not give you the god given right to not try, blame teammates and saunter around. Simple as that. Couldn't give a toss about who made the comments. What was said was correct. We went into the last two games of the season with a chance of staying up. Without Shaqiri we would have been down in March. Disagree. If Shaqiri didn't play perhaps we would have performed better as a team. We shovelled the ball to Shaqiri as part of our tactics in the belief that he was the Messiah and only he could save us, In truth, he was not the Messiah he was a very ..overrated player. For every worldie, there were 10 missed opportunities by him choosing the wrong option, falling over, shrugging his shoulders. I agree with the video clip. Was that Simon Jordan? I wouldn't call Shaqiri a slob but I agree with the sentiment. Shaqiri will not have the same attitude at Liverpool because (a) he is not good enough and (b) they will not tolerate it. I won't miss him and by the sound of it neither will Adam. P.s. I prefer Adam to Shaqiri.
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Post by ursemboys on Jul 19, 2018 18:48:28 GMT
Would we ? nobody knows that for sure ,his replacement just might have worked harder and not stood around waving his little arms about having a tantrum and calling his own team mates poor , Charlie gets hammered for saying it how it is but Shaqiri did pretty much himself , I was always amazed how many matches he was injured , but he always managed to be fit for Switzerland ,how many times he stood there watching the ball , if you look at his appearances they where pretty poor other than last season which I admit where better ,he scored some great goals but I for one will shed no tears about him leaving ,Arnie was 10 times the player Shaqiri is ,we will see how world class he is next season . He missed a whole two games this season so how you can come out with bullshit statements like “he always managed to be fit for Switzerland” I aren’t quite sure. As for the previous two seasons whilst he was here being poor, he created the most chances in our team by far for them two years. And his team mates were poor. In fact, they were worse than poor. Shocking, embarassing, appalling, disastrous. I could continue but I hope you get the idea. I see a few don't agree with your comments ,but then again we talk bullshit don't we . = Pugsley Avatar 5 hours ago Pugsley said: staffordstokie31 Avatar 5 hours ago staffordstokie31 said: It's not related to ability, it's related to effort level & teamwork. Shaq was our most talented player last season, but at times his effort level and teamwork were abysmal- more so the last 3-4 games of the season. When you're in a relegation scrap you have to run and fight and give it 100% and IMO Shaq really failed to do that when we needed it most- especially our last couple of winnable home games. He's a classic example of the 80/20 rule. 80% of the time he's hidden and ineffective, 20% of the time he's world class- that 20% is enough for Joe Public to make excuses for him. Being a good footballer does not give you the god given right to not try, blame teammates and saunter around. Simple as that. Couldn't give a toss about who made the comments. What was said was correct. We went into the last two games of the season with a chance of staying up. Without Shaqiri we would have been down in March. Disagree. If Shaqiri didn't play perhaps we would have performed better as a team. We shovelled the ball to Shaqiri as part of our tactics in the belief that he was the Messiah and only he could save us, In truth, he was not the Messiah he was a very ..overrated player. For every worldie, there were 10 missed opportunities by him choosing the wrong option, falling over, shrugging his shoulders. I agree with the video clip. Was that Simon Jordan? I wouldn't call Shaqiri a slob but I agree with the sentiment. Shaqiri will not have the same attitude at Liverpool because (a) he is not good enough and (b) they will not tolerate it. I won't miss him and by the sound of it neither will Adam. P.s. I prefer Adam to Shaqiri. Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/280953/charlie-said-shaqiri?page=5#ixzz5LjAhng8i
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Post by nigerianstokie on Jul 19, 2018 19:22:00 GMT
He missed a whole two games this season so how you can come out with bullshit statements like “he always managed to be fit for Switzerland” I aren’t quite sure. As for the previous two seasons whilst he was here being poor, he created the most chances in our team by far for them two years. And his team mates were poor. In fact, they were worse than poor. Shocking, embarassing, appalling, disastrous. I could continue but I hope you get the idea. I did say he had done better this season So you agree he was poor and did he f**k create the most chances ,he played 27 times in his first season and I have no idea how many times he came off injured (2015) He played 21 times the season after (2016) He played 36 times last season ,so yes he improved So 2015 season he played with poor players and we finished 9th So 2016 season he played with poor players and we finished 13th and yes we did have poor players last season and I did say he improved So regarding bullshit comments I think that applies to you matey I get the idea you'r a big fan of his but come on take the rose tinted glasses off My point about his appearance figures was that you stated he was injured a lot for us but was always fit for Switzerland, which just isn’t true. As for chance creation, in the 3 seasons he has been at Stoke, Shaqiri has created 2.24, 2.17 and 2.27 chances per 90 minutes respectively. For Key Passes he has 1.97, 2.07 and 2.06 per 90. For Goals and Assists he has 0.4, 0.32 and 0.45 per 90 as well. Stacks up pretty well comparable to the rest of the team.
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Post by nigerianstokie on Jul 19, 2018 19:26:19 GMT
He missed a whole two games this season so how you can come out with bullshit statements like “he always managed to be fit for Switzerland” I aren’t quite sure. As for the previous two seasons whilst he was here being poor, he created the most chances in our team by far for them two years. And his team mates were poor. In fact, they were worse than poor. Shocking, embarassing, appalling, disastrous. I could continue but I hope you get the idea. I see a few don't agree with your comments ,but then again we talk bullshit don't we . = Pugsley Avatar 5 hours ago Pugsley said: staffordstokie31 Avatar 5 hours ago staffordstokie31 said: It's not related to ability, it's related to effort level & teamwork. Shaq was our most talented player last season, but at times his effort level and teamwork were abysmal- more so the last 3-4 games of the season. When you're in a relegation scrap you have to run and fight and give it 100% and IMO Shaq really failed to do that when we needed it most- especially our last couple of winnable home games. He's a classic example of the 80/20 rule. 80% of the time he's hidden and ineffective, 20% of the time he's world class- that 20% is enough for Joe Public to make excuses for him. Being a good footballer does not give you the god given right to not try, blame teammates and saunter around. Simple as that. Couldn't give a toss about who made the comments. What was said was correct. We went into the last two games of the season with a chance of staying up. Without Shaqiri we would have been down in March. Disagree. If Shaqiri didn't play perhaps we would have performed better as a team. We shovelled the ball to Shaqiri as part of our tactics in the belief that he was the Messiah and only he could save us, In truth, he was not the Messiah he was a very ..overrated player. For every worldie, there were 10 missed opportunities by him choosing the wrong option, falling over, shrugging his shoulders. I agree with the video clip. Was that Simon Jordan? I wouldn't call Shaqiri a slob but I agree with the sentiment. Shaqiri will not have the same attitude at Liverpool because (a) he is not good enough and (b) they will not tolerate it. I won't miss him and by the sound of it neither will Adam. P.s. I prefer Adam to Shaqiri. Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/280953/charlie-said-shaqiri?page=5#ixzz5LjAhng8iI aren’t saying he ran his bollocks off non-stop or he couldn’t have done more. Everybody could have done more. But if anybody is absolved of blame whatsoever then it is Xherdan Shaqiri, and Charlie Adam is more culpable than most after his showings so would be well advised to keep himself out of the media instead of making outlandish, hypocritical statements about things that are now pretty irrelevant and needless.
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Post by ursemboys on Jul 19, 2018 19:40:37 GMT
I see a few don't agree with your comments ,but then again we talk bullshit don't we . = Pugsley Avatar 5 hours ago Pugsley said: staffordstokie31 Avatar 5 hours ago staffordstokie31 said: It's not related to ability, it's related to effort level & teamwork. Shaq was our most talented player last season, but at times his effort level and teamwork were abysmal- more so the last 3-4 games of the season. When you're in a relegation scrap you have to run and fight and give it 100% and IMO Shaq really failed to do that when we needed it most- especially our last couple of winnable home games. He's a classic example of the 80/20 rule. 80% of the time he's hidden and ineffective, 20% of the time he's world class- that 20% is enough for Joe Public to make excuses for him. Being a good footballer does not give you the god given right to not try, blame teammates and saunter around. Simple as that. Couldn't give a toss about who made the comments. What was said was correct. We went into the last two games of the season with a chance of staying up. Without Shaqiri we would have been down in March. Disagree. If Shaqiri didn't play perhaps we would have performed better as a team. We shovelled the ball to Shaqiri as part of our tactics in the belief that he was the Messiah and only he could save us, In truth, he was not the Messiah he was a very ..overrated player. For every worldie, there were 10 missed opportunities by him choosing the wrong option, falling over, shrugging his shoulders. I agree with the video clip. Was that Simon Jordan? I wouldn't call Shaqiri a slob but I agree with the sentiment. Shaqiri will not have the same attitude at Liverpool because (a) he is not good enough and (b) they will not tolerate it. I won't miss him and by the sound of it neither will Adam. P.s. I prefer Adam to Shaqiri. Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/280953/charlie-said-shaqiri?page=5#ixzz5LjAhng8iI aren’t saying he ran his bollocks off non-stop or he couldn’t have done more. Everybody could have done more. But if anybody is absolved of blame whatsoever then it is Xherdan Shaqiri, and Charlie Adam is more culpable than most after his showings so would be well advised to keep himself out of the media instead of making outlandish, hypocritical statements about things that are now pretty irrelevant and needless. I agree with your last comments ,Charlie should button it but I think a few players made a few comments about their team mates that they shouldn't have , but I still think he is right about the big boys not doing enough.
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Post by nigerianstokie on Jul 19, 2018 19:56:32 GMT
I aren’t saying he ran his bollocks off non-stop or he couldn’t have done more. Everybody could have done more. But if anybody is absolved of blame whatsoever then it is Xherdan Shaqiri, and Charlie Adam is more culpable than most after his showings so would be well advised to keep himself out of the media instead of making outlandish, hypocritical statements about things that are now pretty irrelevant and needless. I agree with your last comments ,Charlie should button it but I think a few players made a few comments about their team mates that they shouldn't have , but I still think he is right about the big boys not doing enough. Nobody did enough. That is why we are now a Championship team. The big names largely underwhelmed, the Charlie Adam’s were even more embarassing than we could ever have anticipated. If the criticism was by someone who came out of last season knowing full well that they weren’t an absolute disgrace, like a Ryan Shawcross, then there would be no uproar. It was the wrong time to attack Shaqiri, wrong player that was attacked, wrong player to attack Shaqiri and wrong to do it so publicly.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 20:05:24 GMT
Xherdan Shaqiri was the sole thing that gave us a chance of keeping up. He's out of the team and we go down by February.
Charlie Adam did his level best to send us down on every occasion he played this season. He should never play for us again. His comments are ridiculous, from a player who was an unbearable liability last season, and hasn't contributed a single fucking thing since the Liverpool 6-1.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 19, 2018 22:02:49 GMT
Get to fuck Adam you overweight pissbag.
It’s pricks like him that have landed us in this position, he wants fining for those slanderous comments and bundling in a transit with a one way ticket to Ayr and a football boot wedged up his fat, useless, unprofessional, braindead, penalty missing, thick arse.
Fuck off Adam, now.
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Post by heworksardtho on Jul 19, 2018 22:10:20 GMT
Get to fuck Adam you overweight pissbag. It’s pricks like him that have landed us in this position, he wants fining for those slanderous comments and bundling in a transit with a one way ticket to Ayr and a football boot wedged up his fat, useless, unprofessional, braindead, penalty missing, thick arse. Fuck off Adam, now. You shouldn’t sit on the fence and just say what you really think😁
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 19, 2018 22:38:44 GMT
Someone at the club needs to tell Adam he needs to keep his gob shut.
Or just fuck him off. Preferably that but he can't keep being a prized prick on the radio. It's bad for the club.
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Post by miggoscfc on Jul 19, 2018 22:46:43 GMT
Someone at the club needs to tell Adam he needs to keep his gob shut. Or just fuck him off. Preferably that but he can't keep being a prized prick on the radio. It's bad for the club. It's not often I agree with you but this. Rowett should have him in first thing in the morning and ask him where his allegiance lies, if it is not to the his profession or the club then transfer list him and ask him to stay away from the club until he's sold.
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Post by Groundhog Day on Jul 19, 2018 23:25:48 GMT
Not for his late winner v Manchester United, his part and goal in 6-1 drubbing of Liverpool, pivotal part in our highest ever league placing etc etc Wow Last season’s contributions ultimately outweigh the good stuff he did. Now he’s spouting absolute bollocks whilst being oblivious to his performances last season. He can fuck off. Putting Charlie aside, the majority of people seem to be oblivious to the fact that Shaqiri was very much a part of our relegation but takes absolutely no responsibility - he was our set piece/corner taker/chief crosser during our last dozen or so matches and in that time either didn't get past the first man or beat every fucker high and wide every time. He was, as far as i'm concerned, the main reason we got relegated, we totally relied on his talent and he could have changed everything if he'd put some decent performances in during that time. Lay off Charlie, that was way before it got desperate, and look at the little shit who has deserted us!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 19, 2018 23:30:33 GMT
Last season’s contributions ultimately outweigh the good stuff he did. Now he’s spouting absolute bollocks whilst being oblivious to his performances last season. He can fuck off. Putting Charlie aside, the majority of people seem to be oblivious to the fact that Shaqiri was very much a part of our relegation but takes absolutely no responsibility - he was our set piece/corner taker/chief crosser during our last dozen or so matches and in that time either didn't get past the first man or beat every fucker high and wide every time. He was, as far as i'm concerned, the main reason we got relegated, we totally relied on his talent and he could have changed everything if he'd put some decent performances in during that time. Lay off Charlie, that was way before it got desperate, and look at the little shit who has deserted us! So it's Shaqiri's fault we totally relied on him? If it wasn't for Shaq we'd have been down by November. Did you actually type the above with a straight face? Adam is a disgrace and always has been with his fitness. It's always been a piss take. For him to even go on about professionalism is a joke.
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Post by roylandstoke on Jul 20, 2018 5:55:03 GMT
Shaqiri's efforts last season got him a move to the Champion's League finalists.
Charlie Adam's efforts last season woud get him a move to the Stafford and District Sunday League (no offence to anyone who may play in that league)
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 20, 2018 7:24:25 GMT
How many pts.did Shaq.gain for us last season?
How many pts. did Adam gain us?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 20, 2018 10:04:48 GMT
For a man who's been involved in 6 goals in 3 fucking years, Charlie's got a gob on him.
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Post by ursemboys on Jul 20, 2018 10:11:41 GMT
Shaqiri's efforts last season got him a move to the Champion's League finalists. Charlie Adam's efforts last season woud get him a move to the Stafford and District Sunday League (no offence to anyone who may play in that league)[/ Nowt do with his efforts it was the cheap price that clinched it ,13 million to sit on the bench is peanuts to Liverpool, would not surprise me if he ends up at Rangers with Charlie
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 20, 2018 10:18:16 GMT
Last season’s contributions ultimately outweigh the good stuff he did. Now he’s spouting absolute bollocks whilst being oblivious to his performances last season. He can fuck off. Putting Charlie aside, the majority of people seem to be oblivious to the fact that Shaqiri was very much a part of our relegation but takes absolutely no responsibility - he was our set piece/corner taker/chief crosser during our last dozen or so matches and in that time either didn't get past the first man or beat every fucker high and wide every time. He was, as far as i'm concerned, the main reason we got relegated, we totally relied on his talent and he could have changed everything if he'd put some decent performances in during that time. Lay off Charlie, that was way before it got desperate, and look at the little shit who has deserted us! He won us the game at Palace until Hughes shit himself, he put us in front against the same team until Lambert shit himself. At Bournemouth he put us in front until Lambert shit himself. That's 9 points dropped right off the bat. I can go on, Leicester at home he played on his own. Leicester away his magic put us in front. Against Brighton his bolt from the blue put us right back in the game. Brighton away, he pings a 50 yard ball onto Choupo-Moting's toe for an easy finish. I can go on, but the points is loud and clear really. How Shaq can be construed as "the main reason" we got relegated based on the above and when we conceded 68 goals is beyond me. If 2 more players contributed half of what Shaq did, we'd have finished about 10th.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 13:13:50 GMT
A missed penalty and a sending-off is deplorable but it happens in the heat of the moment at games. But essentially not turning up in matches is unacceptable. Equally a senior professional should be enough of a grown up not to throw himself into stupid challenges, to make an effort to follow up on a there for the taking rebound, to not treat a sub cameo like a crime spree and to maintain a basic level of physical fitness? Charlie Adam, if you talked to him off the pitch, would be the first to agree with you. But something goes missing in his brain when he steps out on the pitch, and he just loses every little bit of sense he has about him. You could list any number of other incidents with Adam besides the few you already have. Hughes didnt pick him for long periods of time, leaving him on the bench or not even in the match day squad. But when the team performed poorly he was more or less forced to bring Adam back, and sometimes he did very well, so he turned a blind eye to the negative aspects of him. As for his fitness levels this is just typical toxic prejudice. His fitness levels are fine or he wouldn't be picked.
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Post by roylandstoke on Jul 20, 2018 13:47:56 GMT
Shaqiri's efforts last season got him a move to the Champion's League finalists. Charlie Adam's efforts last season woud get him a move to the Stafford and District Sunday League (no offence to anyone who may play in that league)[/ Nowt do with his efforts it was the cheap price that clinched it ,13 million to sit on the bench is peanuts to Liverpool, would not surprise me if he ends up at Rangers with Charlie They could have Charlie Adam for less than £1M but they haven't made an offer. I don't think anyone above league 2 would make an offer for Charlie Adam.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 20, 2018 15:12:19 GMT
Equally a senior professional should be enough of a grown up not to throw himself into stupid challenges, to make an effort to follow up on a there for the taking rebound, to not treat a sub cameo like a crime spree and to maintain a basic level of physical fitness? Charlie Adam, if you talked to him off the pitch, would be the first to agree with you. But something goes missing in his brain when he steps out on the pitch, and he just loses every little bit of sense he has about him. You could list any number of other incidents with Adam besides the few you already have. Hughes didnt pick him for long periods of time, leaving him on the bench or not even in the match day squad. But when the team performed poorly he was more or less forced to bring Adam back, and sometimes he did very well, so he turned a blind eye to the negative aspects of him. As for his fitness levels this is just typical toxic prejudice. His fitness levels are fine or he wouldn't be picked. Yeah, sorry, that isn't good enough for a well paid professional to just have something go missing in his brain. He's an adult. It isn't prejudice at all. The man is incapable of completing 90 minutes of a competitive game and has been for some time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2018 14:31:18 GMT
Charlie Adam, if you talked to him off the pitch, would be the first to agree with you. But something goes missing in his brain when he steps out on the pitch, and he just loses every little bit of sense he has about him. You could list any number of other incidents with Adam besides the few you already have. Hughes didnt pick him for long periods of time, leaving him on the bench or not even in the match day squad. But when the team performed poorly he was more or less forced to bring Adam back, and sometimes he did very well, so he turned a blind eye to the negative aspects of him. As for his fitness levels this is just typical toxic prejudice. His fitness levels are fine or he wouldn't be picked. Yeah, sorry, that isn't good enough for a well paid professional to just have something go missing in his brain. He's an adult. It isn't prejudice at all. The man is incapable of completing 90 minutes of a competitive game and has been for some time. Which has more to do with his all action style, however misguided it may sometimes be. But I'm not actually an Adam fan. The sooner he goes, we can add a better midfielder.
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