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Post by Pugsley on Jul 19, 2018 12:52:45 GMT
It's always someone else's fault with Charlie. Fuck him off I say.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 12:55:17 GMT
He's getting dog's abuse on Twitter sent to him directly and though he's completely in the wrong, I find that kind of behaviour pathetic.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 19, 2018 12:58:51 GMT
Basically said our big name players didn't turn up when needed. Never mentioned his sending off and missed penalty however. A missed penalty and a sending-off is deplorable but it happens in the heat of the moment at games. But essentially not turning up in matches is unacceptable. Equally a senior professional should be enough of a grown up not to throw himself into stupid challenges, to make an effort to follow up on a there for the taking rebound, to not treat a sub cameo like a crime spree and to maintain a basic level of physical fitness?
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Post by liamo on Jul 19, 2018 13:06:59 GMT
The main focus of what Adam is saying may well be true, the issue is that it's Charlie Adam saying it..
It's a bit difficult to call out your neighbour for dropping a crisp packet on your lawn when you've dropped a massive shit in their driveway
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Post by Block 22 on Jul 19, 2018 13:16:28 GMT
Fuck Adam off!!
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Post by staffordstokie31 on Jul 19, 2018 13:19:27 GMT
It's not related to ability, it's related to effort level & teamwork.
Shaq was our most talented player last season, but at times his effort level and teamwork were abysmal- more so the last 3-4 games of the season. When you're in a relegation scrap you have to run and fight and give it 100% and IMO Shaq really failed to do that when we needed it most- especially our last couple of winnable home games. He's a classic example of the 80/20 rule. 80% of the time he's hidden and ineffective, 20% of the time he's world class- that 20% is enough for Joe Public to make excuses for him. Being a good footballer does not give you the god given right to not try, blame teammates and saunter around. Simple as that.
Couldn't give a toss about who made the comments. What was said was correct.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 19, 2018 13:26:50 GMT
It's not related to ability, it's related to effort level & teamwork. Shaq was our most talented player last season, but at times his effort level and teamwork were abysmal- more so the last 3-4 games of the season. When you're in a relegation scrap you have to run and fight and give it 100% and IMO Shaq really failed to do that when we needed it most- especially our last couple of winnable home games. He's a classic example of the 80/20 rule. 80% of the time he's hidden and ineffective, 20% of the time he's world class- that 20% is enough for Joe Public to make excuses for him. Being a good footballer does not give you the god given right to not try, blame teammates and saunter around. Simple as that. Couldn't give a toss about who made the comments. What was said was correct. We went into the last two games of the season with a chance of staying up. Without Shaqiri we would have been down in March.
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Post by staffordstokie31 on Jul 19, 2018 13:37:45 GMT
It's not related to ability, it's related to effort level & teamwork. Shaq was our most talented player last season, but at times his effort level and teamwork were abysmal- more so the last 3-4 games of the season. When you're in a relegation scrap you have to run and fight and give it 100% and IMO Shaq really failed to do that when we needed it most- especially our last couple of winnable home games. He's a classic example of the 80/20 rule. 80% of the time he's hidden and ineffective, 20% of the time he's world class- that 20% is enough for Joe Public to make excuses for him. Being a good footballer does not give you the god given right to not try, blame teammates and saunter around. Simple as that. Couldn't give a toss about who made the comments. What was said was correct. We went into the last two games of the season with a chance of staying up. Without Shaqiri we would have been down in March. Like I said: it's not related to ability, it's related to effort level and teamwork. His talent is obvious and at times it converted to points. A "give up" attitude and blame culture during a time where it's the most important to be resilient is inexcusable for me.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 19, 2018 13:39:50 GMT
Wasn't shaq leading scorer? Yes or Berahino
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Post by pottersrule on Jul 19, 2018 13:45:28 GMT
I just didn't see this in Shaqiri at all last season. A selfish player at times no doubt but Seargent Major Lambert loved him and rightly identified him as our only shot at achieving a miracle and he didn't go missing at the death like some players..... I'm calling bullshit on this one Chaz. His last season was actually his best.Overall though he was very underwhelming during his tenure imo,wasn't alone mind.
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Post by TexasPotter on Jul 19, 2018 14:28:01 GMT
Someone post that Peno fiasco the worst shot and comical slow mo run up. Charlie stfu you slow, useless midfielder who missed countless chances to keep us up. Nice to re-write history when the sole reason we had a chance is gone and you shit the bed but have a mic put in front of you representing Stoke. Laughable he’s still here let alone a footballer in the Championship he should be at Alloa or somewhere!
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Post by werrington on Jul 19, 2018 14:35:29 GMT
As poor as Charlie is at this stage of his career is there really the need for so much hate and vitriol towards him?....I don’t agree with him either and think he’s bang out of order but jeez
Have a look at yourselves eh
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jul 19, 2018 14:39:41 GMT
We went into the last two games of the season with a chance of staying up. Without Shaqiri we would have been down in March. Like I said: it's not related to ability, it's related to effort level and teamwork. His talent is obvious and at times it converted to points. A "give up" attitude and blame culture during a time where it's the most important to be resilient is inexcusable for me. Doesn't make sense. Shaqiri put effort in when it mattered in hurting opponents, scoring and creating goals, rather than aimlessly running around because he was 'trying hard'. Could he have done better? Probably. Was it his fault we went down? Nowhere fucking near.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 15:01:15 GMT
I think its a cunts trick if players leave and give a load of shit afterwards. Shaq certainly hasn't done that.
I also think its a fuckers trick to run your gob about players who leave and you're still at the club.
If someone is going to get on their high horse and go badmouthing others, then you'd expect them to be stand-up model professionals and near faultless themselves. Charlie certainly doesn't meet that standard.
Then when you're target is the one who stood up the most in a dire season, being the only one to give us attacking threat, you end up looking even more stupid.
So, shut the fuck up Charlie and focus on yourself and the club.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 15:05:12 GMT
People on here have really short memories. It fucking baffles me! Shaqiri, the same Shaqiri that refused to chase a ball that was 10 yards in front of him? Charlie Adams fitness has NEVER been a part of his game, throughout his whole Stoke career. The sending off was harsh. Rooney, the 'victim' did the same a week later and no yellow! So thats that theory out the water. The penalty miss? Are you actually trying to say that it was totally his fault? The way Jese kicked off?! Such a crucial stage of the match. It was already a pressure pen without that. I for one will not be attaching whole blame on Adam. He has to take blame as part of the team that got us relegated however. Thank God the oatcake does not represent the majority voice, most of you lot are actually deluded! This is the worst take I have ever read on here and that takes some doing. This x99infinities
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 15:08:51 GMT
He's getting dog's abuse on Twitter sent to him directly and though he's completely in the wrong, I find that kind of behaviour pathetic. Depends what it is. Any actually threats at all yes, i agree. But anyone telling him he can fuck off himself then he deserves it. If he wants to spout shit on national radio under his own volition then he surely has to expect it and deal with it.
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Post by superheroantonius on Jul 19, 2018 15:09:28 GMT
For someone questioning the professionalism of a fellow pro , he don't look that super fit himself
He his definitely not as fit as the similar age , christiano ronaldo
Nor is he as fit as shaq
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Jul 19, 2018 15:14:32 GMT
I can't find Mark Hughes mentioned anywhere in this blame fest. Did I miss it?
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 19, 2018 15:16:39 GMT
People on here have really short memories. It fucking baffles me! Shaqiri, the same Shaqiri that refused to chase a ball that was 10 yards in front of him? Charlie Adams fitness has NEVER been a part of his game, throughout his whole Stoke career. The sending off was harsh. Rooney, the 'victim' did the same a week later and no yellow! So thats that theory out the water. The penalty miss? Are you actually trying to say that it was totally his fault? The way Jese kicked off?! Such a crucial stage of the match. It was already a pressure pen without that. I for one will not be attaching whole blame on Adam. He has to take blame as part of the team that got us relegated however. Thank God the oatcake does not represent the majority voice, most of you lot are actually deluded! High quality arse gravy.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jul 19, 2018 15:17:27 GMT
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Post by heworksardtho on Jul 19, 2018 15:22:21 GMT
People on here have really short memories. It fucking baffles me! Shaqiri, the same Shaqiri that refused to chase a ball that was 10 yards in front of him? Charlie Adams fitness has NEVER been a part of his game, throughout his whole Stoke career. The sending off was harsh. Rooney, the 'victim' did the same a week later and no yellow! So thats that theory out the water. The penalty miss? Are you actually trying to say that it was totally his fault? The way Jese kicked off?! Such a crucial stage of the match. It was already a pressure pen without that. I for one will not be attaching whole blame on Adam. He has to take blame as part of the team that got us relegated however. Thank God the oatcake does not represent the majority voice, most of you lot are actually deluded! I agree with you Mrs Adam 😁
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 15:30:02 GMT
He's getting dog's abuse on Twitter sent to him directly and though he's completely in the wrong, I find that kind of behaviour pathetic. Depends what it is. Any actually threats at all yes, i agree. But anyone telling him he can fuck off himself then he deserves it. If he wants to spout shit on national radio under his own volition then he surely has to expect it and deal with it. I just don't know where people find the time or energy to tweet to Charlie Adam that he's every expletive under the sun? Life's too short.
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Post by ursemboys on Jul 19, 2018 15:42:24 GMT
It's not related to ability, it's related to effort level & teamwork. Shaq was our most talented player last season, but at times his effort level and teamwork were abysmal- more so the last 3-4 games of the season. When you're in a relegation scrap you have to run and fight and give it 100% and IMO Shaq really failed to do that when we needed it most- especially our last couple of winnable home games. He's a classic example of the 80/20 rule. 80% of the time he's hidden and ineffective, 20% of the time he's world class- that 20% is enough for Joe Public to make excuses for him. Being a good footballer does not give you the god given right to not try, blame teammates and saunter around. Simple as that. Couldn't give a toss about who made the comments. What was said was correct. We went into the last two games of the season with a chance of staying up. Without Shaqiri we would have been down in March. Would we ? nobody knows that for sure ,his replacement just might have worked harder and not stood around waving his little arms about having a tantrum and calling his own team mates poor , Charlie gets hammered for saying it how it is but Shaqiri did pretty much himself , I was always amazed how many matches he was injured , but he always managed to be fit for Switzerland ,how many times he stood there watching the ball , if you look at his appearances they where pretty poor other than last season which I admit where better ,he scored some great goals but I for one will shed no tears about him leaving ,Arnie was 10 times the player Shaqiri is ,we will see how world class he is next season .
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 19, 2018 15:51:55 GMT
I've never had such a U-turn of an opinion on a player without him snaking or Judasing us in some way.
About 10% of my total post count must be the simple phrase "I fucking love Charlie Adam".
I can barely stand him anymore.
Maybe, just maybe if the fat fucking prick hadn't told Delph not to sign, Charlie himself wouldn't have played in the games where he wasn't fit for purpose, and we wouldn't have chucked away the points he cost us and we would have stayed up.
I was never Shaqiri's biggest fan, but Adam was easily one of the five wankest players last season. He needs to shut his mouth.
Charlie Adam, slating others? Jesus fucking wept, that's the biggest dollop of hypocrisy I've seen in ages.
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Post by pez75 on Jul 19, 2018 16:00:09 GMT
Charlie just said what many of us saw ourselves. Shaqiri is a good player but bone idle and a questionable attitude. Pure, unadulterated and unsubstantiated bollocks.
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 19, 2018 16:13:33 GMT
Shaqiri got frustrated and gave up once or twice mid-season last year, but he absolutely fucking buckled down towards the end of the season and was basically our only hope of scoring "when the chips were down" as Charlie puts it.
I would be fucking seething with Adam if I were Shaq.
I've always been a fan of Charlie but he's now trying to paint himself as the noble grafter committed to the cause when he was more interested in getting sent off/blabbing on TalkSport/telling players not to sign for us than he was in chasing down a tap-in after a crap penalty, while Shaq was basically single-handedly doing his best to keep us up.
It's a "thanks for everything now fuck off Charlie" from me.
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Post by nigerianstokie on Jul 19, 2018 16:21:43 GMT
We went into the last two games of the season with a chance of staying up. Without Shaqiri we would have been down in March. Would we ? nobody knows that for sure ,his replacement just might have worked harder and not stood around waving his little arms about having a tantrum and calling his own team mates poor , Charlie gets hammered for saying it how it is but Shaqiri did pretty much himself , I was always amazed how many matches he was injured , but he always managed to be fit for Switzerland ,how many times he stood there watching the ball , if you look at his appearances they where pretty poor other than last season which I admit where better ,he scored some great goals but I for one will shed no tears about him leaving ,Arnie was 10 times the player Shaqiri is ,we will see how world class he is next season . He missed a whole two games this season so how you can come out with bullshit statements like “he always managed to be fit for Switzerland” I aren’t quite sure. As for the previous two seasons whilst he was here being poor, he created the most chances in our team by far for them two years. And his team mates were poor. In fact, they were worse than poor. Shocking, embarassing, appalling, disastrous. I could continue but I hope you get the idea.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 16:40:26 GMT
Depends what it is. Any actually threats at all yes, i agree. But anyone telling him he can fuck off himself then he deserves it. If he wants to spout shit on national radio under his own volition then he surely has to expect it and deal with it. I just don't know where people find the time or energy to tweet to Charlie Adam that he's every expletive under the sun? Life's too short. Probably takes the same amount of time for you to write that post
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Post by richardparker on Jul 19, 2018 16:41:08 GMT
I've never had such a U-turn of an opinion on a player without him snaking or Judasing us in some way. About 10% of my total post count must be the simple phrase "I fucking love Charlie Adam". I can barely stand him anymore. Maybe, just maybe if the fat fucking prick hadn't told Delph not to sign, Charlie himself wouldn't have played in the games where he wasn't fit for purpose, and we wouldn't have chucked away the points he cost us and we would have stayed up. I was never Shaqiri's biggest fan, but Adam was easily one of the five wankest players last season. He needs to shut his mouth. Charlie Adam, slating others? Jesus fucking wept, that's the biggest dollop of hypocrisy I've seen in ages. Have to say ... we haven't always agreed on things in the past PLB, but you've got this spot on.
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Post by roylandstoke on Jul 19, 2018 16:48:41 GMT
For a man who could not be arsed to break into a brisk walk to tap in a penalty rebound to criticise almost any other player absolutely beggars belief.
Adam directly cost us 5 points last season; he owes every one of us, and his teammates, an apology.
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