|
Post by JoeinOz on Jul 15, 2018 21:56:33 GMT
I'm missing the World Cup. Already.
😔
|
|
|
Post by Gods on Jul 15, 2018 22:12:03 GMT
Go fuck yourself ...I’m no apologist I’d say getting those two on long term contracts is vital to us getting back which makes your point a bit confusing Correct me if I'm wrong, but both players were already under contract. All we've done at the moment is given them a pay rise to reward them for relegation. Unless any club came in and matched Stokes valuation for the players, they had no right to play for any other club. I'll grant you that signing Afobe and Etobe are a statement of intent Federici is a nothing signing, however that may be equalled out by outgoings and why has it taken over 2 years to get the players we desperately needed? I'm desperate for us to get back where we should be AND think we will. But I don't trust the gruesome twosome as far as I could throw them. I think you are wrong. Keeping Bauer and Allen who are both proven players who should shine next season in the Championship was a more important piece of business than signing either Afobe or Etobe who may or may not work out. I'm not interested at all in 'statements of intent', I don't even know what it means in this context, it just sounds like psycho-babble to me.
|
|
|
Post by Pugsley on Jul 15, 2018 22:23:54 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong, but both players were already under contract. All we've done at the moment is given them a pay rise to reward them for relegation. Unless any club came in and matched Stokes valuation for the players, they had no right to play for any other club. I'll grant you that signing Afobe and Etobe are a statement of intent Federici is a nothing signing, however that may be equalled out by outgoings and why has it taken over 2 years to get the players we desperately needed? I'm desperate for us to get back where we should be AND think we will. But I don't trust the gruesome twosome as far as I could throw them. I think you are wrong. Keeping Bauer and Allen who are both proven players who should shine next season in the Championship was a more important piece of business than signing either Afobe or Etobe who may or may not work out. I'm not interested at all in 'statements of intent', that just sounds like psycho-babble to me. Keeping Bauer and Allen is great business but lets not pretend Scholes and Cartwright had anything to do with it.
|
|
|
Post by riproaringagain on Jul 15, 2018 22:25:38 GMT
Everyone knows we can’t close a deal to save our own lives, it’s either, Ernie and Burt are given shit terms and conditions to work with (personally I don’t think so knowing a small amount of info I received ) or them two couldn’t organise a prayer in a mosque
|
|
|
Post by baystokie on Jul 15, 2018 22:28:54 GMT
It is pretty clear that there still need to be changes at the top of the club’s employees. I often imagine 2 Stokies talking: 1st - I use the train BUT I have no idea how to run a railway 2nd - I shop at Asda BUT I have no idea what goes into running a chain of supermarkets 1st - I run a car BUT have no idea how to run a car manufacturer business 2nd - I, along with many others watch and support Stoke City AND we all know what goes into running a successful football club. 1st - How do you reckon that?
|
|
|
Post by baystokie on Jul 15, 2018 22:31:06 GMT
I think you are wrong. Keeping Bauer and Allen who are both proven players who should shine next season in the Championship was a more important piece of business than signing either Afobe or Etobe who may or may not work out. I'm not interested at all in 'statements of intent', that just sounds like psycho-babble to me. Keeping Bauer and Allen is great business but lets not pretend Scholes and Cartwright had anything to do with it. So who did fix it?
|
|
|
Post by JoeinOz on Jul 15, 2018 22:37:43 GMT
Keeping Bauer and Allen is great business but lets not pretend Scholes and Cartwright had anything to do with it. So who did fix it? I think it could be good old fashioned football work. That is FOOTBALL. The game we all claim to love. More than talk of balance sheets and administrators anyway I hope. In short, Gaz meets with them to explain how he feels about Stoke City and their roles at the club. He understands they are disappointed with relegation but knows what's required to get back up and this club still has a bright future... a future they can be part of. They both consider his words, his ambition matches theirs. Jobs a good un.
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 15, 2018 22:45:27 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong, but both players were already under contract. All we've done at the moment is given them a pay rise to reward them for relegation. Unless any club came in and matched Stokes valuation for the players, they had no right to play for any other club. I'll grant you that signing Afobe and Etobe are a statement of intent Federici is a nothing signing, however that may be equalled out by outgoings and why has it taken over 2 years to get the players we desperately needed? I'm desperate for us to get back where we should be AND think we will. But I don't trust the gruesome twosome as far as I could throw them. I think you are wrong. Keeping Bauer and Allen who are both proven players who should shine next season in the Championship was a more important piece of business than signing either Afobe or Etobe who may or may not work out. I'm not interested at all in 'statements of intent', I don't even know what it means in this context, it just sounds like psycho-babble to me. Bauer said he wanted to stay anyway. Giving him a pay rise for failure could prove daft. Same for Allen who imo is a massive reason we slid.
|
|
|
Post by xchpotter on Jul 15, 2018 22:46:02 GMT
Doesn’t matter if he’s sussed them out or not.....as long as Sir Peter thinks the sun shines out of their arse then nothing is going to change.
|
|
|
Post by mrcoke on Jul 15, 2018 22:53:52 GMT
I am getting very concerned:
1. We had the leakiest defence in the Prem. last season and have done nothing to strengthen it. We have let Grant go. We are probably better off without Wimmer and Johnson than having them with us, but if people think last season's defence will be alright in the Championship I think that could be a big mistake. Even Middlesbrough, who had a decent defence in the Prem, struggled to start with in the Championship.
2. We were poor at scoring goals last season and have signed 1 striker. I think Crouch will be useful in the Championship, but a we going to be are we sure we can rely on Diouf, Bojan, Choupo, and the youngsters? We have had to release our main strike force in Shaq, which sounds ominously like losing Arni last summer, and bought Afobe, who scores 6 goals a season. Where are the goals going to come from? Our best striker is Crouch!
3. We have sold 2 wingers and are now going to do our major preparation for the season in Germany without a proper winger. That smacks of bad management by the club. It sounds like the plan is we do all the preparation and then throw wingers in at the last moment. Regarding McLean we should have bought him by now, if we are going to; if WBA won''t play ball, then move on to someone else.
4. The transfer business has been generally poor for the last 3 years and has no sign of getting better. I think we are still sleep walking down the league. I just hope Rowett is going to miraculously get the defence organized, turn certain players careers around, and get us scoring goals. It's a huge ask. If we don't make any significant signings in the next week, and I don't include Robert Huth, then Rowett needs to be banging on the Chairman's door when he gets back from Germany, and raising Cain.
Edit: Having read that back to myself I'm beginning to understand how a Sunderland fan feels.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2018 22:57:04 GMT
We don't know the inner workings of the club, so none of us can say who does what with any conviction.
What we do know is:
1. We were relegated last year. 2. We made mistakes in the transfer market. 3. The club admitted to making those mistakes via the owners and CEO. 4. The owners made an unforced statement promising an overhaul of the club which went as far as a dedicated section of SSN. 5. We have appointed a new manager. 6. We have retained some players we wanted to keep and lost some that don't want to be here. 7. We have spent money on new players, one of which looks to have exciting potential. 8. Manager is repeatedly stating the roles of key individuals at the club re. Transfers in interviews. 9. Manager has repeatedly stated he wanted his new signings in for day one of training, then changed it to Germany and is now expressing his frustration at not having them to date. 10. The same people are in place in key positions that were present previously during the period of admitted mistakes.
So who knows what the hold up is, but with every passing day it is making the new managers job a lot harder, and that can't be a good thing.
|
|
|
Post by ashleyscfc on Jul 15, 2018 23:38:38 GMT
We don't know the inner workings of the club, so none of us can say who does what with any conviction. What we do know is: 1. We were relegated last year. 2. We made mistakes in the transfer market. 3. The club admitted to making those mistakes via the owners and CEO. 4. The owners made an unforced statement promising an overhaul of the club which went as far as a dedicated section of SSN. 5. We have appointed a new manager. 6. We have retained some players we wanted to keep and lost some that don't want to be here. 7. We have spent money on new players, one of which looks to have exciting potential. 8. Manager is repeatedly stating the roles of key individuals at the club re. Transfers in interviews. 9. Manager has repeatedly stated he wanted his new signings in for day one of training, then changed it to Germany and is now expressing his frustration at not having them to date. 10. The same people are in place in key positions that were present previously during the period of admitted mistakes. So who knows what the hold up is, but with every passing day it is making the new managers job a lot harder, and that can't be a good thing. I do have knowledge of inner workings at the club and until we have a leadership team that has a proven track record of success at the level we want we are fucked. The lack of control, professionalism and ambition stems completely from the top and streams down into everything. Media, community, recruitment, commercial, academy. Until there is someone competent who has a grip on the situation and is making positive changes, this mess will continue. Scholes should absolutely be on notice for being totally asleep at the wheel. The re-writing of history that went on after the fact was appalling and should not be forgotten. The noise from the manager is already sending up warning signs. He said when he came in he wanted stuff sorted for when we went away. They missed their target. I hope rowett is in John Coates ear questioning what the fuck Teflon has been doing for 10 years. Apart from axing managers that kept the mob away from his door of course... Cometh the hour and all that...
|
|
|
Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 16, 2018 1:49:47 GMT
He's said... On Harry Wilson and other transfers (11/07/18): "I think what’s frustrating at this point is that we’ve been edging nearer for two weeks and then every day it feels like another day when it hasn’t happened" When asked about transfers (14/07/18): “I’ll leave that to the guys and I’ll just keep knocking on their doors every five minutes asking, ‘Have we got him, have we got him?’ They’ll probably get fed up with me but that’s how it works.” On going to Germany (15/07/18): "We would have hoped to have been in a position where we could have brought a few more players with us but we’ve got to be patient on that front and patient with that aspect of recruitment." It says it all when Yarmolenko could be going to West Ham, which releases a player to palace, which releases Townsend to castle and Ritchie to us. That should of been us at the top of the pyramid. Instead mis-management and lack of ambition strikes again. Rowett expects results, great to see him putting them under public pressure. No, he even says thats how it works in the second comment indicating its the norm at clubs, people need to stop reading into things and hoping for things to fuck up just because they don't like certain people.
|
|
|
Post by knype on Jul 16, 2018 4:01:35 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong, but both players were already under contract. All we've done at the moment is given them a pay rise to reward them for relegation. Unless any club came in and matched Stokes valuation for the players, they had no right to play for any other club. I'll grant you that signing Afobe and Etobe are a statement of intent Federici is a nothing signing, however that may be equalled out by outgoings and why has it taken over 2 years to get the players we desperately needed? I'm desperate for us to get back where we should be AND think we will. But I don't trust the gruesome twosome as far as I could throw them. And we haven't seen Etebo in a Stoke shirt yet. It's way too soon to hail his transfer yet. But we've seen what he's capable of in the World Cup...
|
|
|
Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 16, 2018 4:54:28 GMT
Patience Gary
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 5:04:18 GMT
We don't know the inner workings of the club, so none of us can say who does what with any conviction. What we do know is: 1. We were relegated last year. 2. We made mistakes in the transfer market. 3. The club admitted to making those mistakes via the owners and CEO. 4. The owners made an unforced statement promising an overhaul of the club which went as far as a dedicated section of SSN. 5. We have appointed a new manager. 6. We have retained some players we wanted to keep and lost some that don't want to be here. 7. We have spent money on new players, one of which looks to have exciting potential. 8. Manager is repeatedly stating the roles of key individuals at the club re. Transfers in interviews. 9. Manager has repeatedly stated he wanted his new signings in for day one of training, then changed it to Germany and is now expressing his frustration at not having them to date. 10. The same people are in place in key positions that were present previously during the period of admitted mistakes. So who knows what the hold up is, but with every passing day it is making the new managers job a lot harder, and that can't be a good thing. I do have knowledge of inner workings at the club and until we have a leadership team that has a proven track record of success at the level we want we are fucked. The lack of control, professionalism and ambition stems completely from the top and streams down into everything. Media, community, recruitment, commercial, academy. Until there is someone competent who has a grip on the situation and is making positive changes, this mess will continue. Scholes should absolutely be on notice for being totally asleep at the wheel. The re-writing of history that went on after the fact was appalling and should not be forgotten. The noise from the manager is already sending up warning signs. He said when he came in he wanted stuff sorted for when we went away. They missed their target. I hope rowett is in John Coates ear questioning what the fuck Teflon has been doing for 10 years. Apart from axing managers that kept the mob away from his door of course... Cometh the hour and all that... Don't stop there, ash. Tell us more!
|
|
|
Post by greyman on Jul 16, 2018 5:20:33 GMT
I am getting very concerned: We've bought Afobe, who scores 6 goals a season. We've bought Afobe who scores 1 in 2 in The Championship. There. Fixed it for you.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 5:49:10 GMT
I am getting very concerned: 1. We had the leakiest defence in the Prem. last season and have done nothing to strengthen it. We have let Grant go. We are probably better off without Wimmer and Johnson than having them with us, but if people think last season's defence will be alright in the Championship I think that could be a big mistake. Even Middlesbrough, who had a decent defence in the Prem, struggled to start with in the Championship. 2. We were poor at scoring goals last season and have signed 1 striker. I think Crouch will be useful in the Championship, but a we going to be are we sure we can rely on Diouf, Bojan, Choupo, and the youngsters? We have had to release our main strike force in Shaq, which sounds ominously like losing Arni last summer, and bought Afobe, who scores 6 goals a season. Where are the goals going to come from? Our best striker is Crouch! 3. We have sold 2 wingers and are now going to do our major preparation for the season in Germany without a proper winger. That smacks of bad management by the club. It sounds like the plan is we do all the preparation and then throw wingers in at the last moment. Regarding McLean we should have bought him by now, if we are going to; if WBA won''t play ball, then move on to someone else. 4. The transfer business has been generally poor for the last 3 years and has no sign of getting better. I think we are still sleep walking down the league. I just hope Rowett is going to miraculously get the defence organized, turn certain players careers around, and get us scoring goals. It's a huge ask. If we don't make any significant signings in the next week, and I don't include Robert Huth, then Rowett needs to be banging on the Chairman's door when he gets back from Germany, and raising Cain. Edit: Having read that back to myself I'm beginning to understand how a Sunderland fan feels. Your comments on Afobe are embarrassing, check your facts before posting such nonsense.
|
|
|
Post by stokeykez on Jul 16, 2018 6:09:35 GMT
Patience Gary What you heard general...why are u so relaxed?
|
|
|
Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 16, 2018 6:21:37 GMT
Patience Gary What you heard general...why are u so relaxed? What's to worry about? my health is fine *touch wood*
|
|
|
Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 16, 2018 7:08:34 GMT
Who’s orders are said tosspots acting on when it comes to negotiations, Sheiky? Rowett’s talked about the disconnect between him wanting players in ‘yesterday’ and the other members of the transfer team ‘wanting the best deals’. Are we to believe that the Coates family has given carte blanche with the credit card and Scholes and the boys are enforcing frugality through their own bizarre Puritanism? I’ve no argument with the notion than Scholes and Carto are lucky to be in a job, but there’s one bloke controlling the purse strings ultimately. I dunno, Rob. All three were eager to blame Hughes for EVERYTHING 3 months ago. The main thing with 'the process' from Cotes, Teflon and Slopey's point of view seems to be none of them are ever to blame! When you're spending 17M on idiots like Wimmer, the purse strings to me don't seem to be the problem. So Scholes and Carto are acting of their own volition then mate? Why doesn’t Coates have them in and insist they spend more of his money? “Sorry lads, I appreciate the gesture, but I can’t take it with me...”
|
|
|
Post by Fred Ferret on Jul 16, 2018 7:10:18 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong, but both players were already under contract. All we've done at the moment is given them a pay rise to reward them for relegation. Unless any club came in and matched Stokes valuation for the players, they had no right to play for any other club. I'll grant you that signing Afobe and Etobe are a statement of intent Federici is a nothing signing, however that may be equalled out by outgoings and why has it taken over 2 years to get the players we desperately needed? I'm desperate for us to get back where we should be AND think we will. But I don't trust the gruesome twosome as far as I could throw them. And we haven't seen Etebo in a Stoke shirt yet. It's way too soon to hail his transfer yet. Ah, yet another example of self-indulgent spoiler statements. The cupboard must be so overflowing with such “click bait” that it is impossible to resist. Sad.
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 16, 2018 7:14:03 GMT
And we haven't seen Etebo in a Stoke shirt yet. It's way too soon to hail his transfer yet. But we've seen what he's capable of in the World Cup... We have and that's very dangerous.
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 16, 2018 7:15:43 GMT
And we haven't seen Etebo in a Stoke shirt yet. It's way too soon to hail his transfer yet. Ah, yet another example of self-indulgent spoiler statements. The cupboard must be so overflowing with such “click bait” that it is impossible to resist. Sad. It's true though. Clubs try not to sign players based on World Cup performances. It's a sensible approach to take. We haven't seen him where it counts yet. That's just obvious.
|
|
|
Post by Fred Ferret on Jul 16, 2018 7:16:17 GMT
Scholes has got this week to get deals over the line or our normal slow start to the season is inevitable. Let play catch up all season . Let put pressure on the players. Scholes is ‘stealing’ a living. This halfwit just keeps on giving. Why on earth PC/JC don’t bin him I’ll never know.
|
|
|
Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 16, 2018 7:16:57 GMT
But we've seen what he's capable of in the World Cup... We have and that's very dangerous. Where's the danger? has he got spikes instead of studs on his boots?!
|
|
|
Post by mrcoke on Jul 16, 2018 7:17:16 GMT
I am getting very concerned: We've bought Afobe, who scores 6 goals a season. We've bought Afobe who scores 1 in 2 in The Championship. There. Fixed it for you. May I point out: 1. Yes he has scored 13 goals in 21 matches in 2014-15; that's 3 years ago. 2. Before then he achieved very little. 3. Since then, he has scored 9 in 25 in 2015-16, and 6 in 16 in 2017-18. That's hardly "scores 1 in 2". 4. In between he has scored 10 goals in 63 matches in the Prem., so he won't be much use if we are promoted. So he is not as good a Jon Walters was. 5. Oh, and by the way, we haven't bought him yet, but if he proves to be not up to standard we are still stuck with him. Would that things can be "fixed" so easily. A month ago I was very optimistic, today I feel like storm clouds are gathering and we are going to start the new season without the players the manager wanted and not fully prepared, still we should be used to that.
|
|
|
Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 16, 2018 7:26:36 GMT
We've bought Afobe who scores 1 in 2 in The Championship. There. Fixed it for you. May I point out: 1. Yes he has scored 13 goals in 21 matches in 2014-15; that's 3 years ago. 2. Before then he achieved very little. 3. Since then, he has scored 9 in 25 in 2015-16, and 6 in 16 in 2017-18. That's hardly "scores 1 in 2". 4. In between he has scored 10 goals in 63 matches in the Prem., so he won't be much use if we are promoted. So he is not as good a Jon Walters was. 5. Oh, and by the way, we haven't bought him yet, but if he proves to be not up to standard we are still stuck with him. Would that things can be "fixed" so easily. A month ago I was very optimistic, today I feel like storm clouds are gathering and we are going to start the new season without the players the manager wanted and not fully prepared, still we should be used to that. It feels like you’re going out of your way to be negative about Afobe. He made a name for himself at MK Dons to earn his Championship move. That’s not ‘achieving very little’. He scored 13 goals in 21 games for Wolves the first time he went there, despite only signing in the January. He got 9 in 25 for them the following season and again left that January. He scored 6 in 16 on his return to the Championship last season. So that’s 28 goals in 62 Championship appearances. Hard to spin that as a bad return.
|
|
|
Post by mallorcanstokie on Jul 16, 2018 7:30:14 GMT
Are we just forgetting we’ve got Allen and Bauer on long term contracts when we all expected them to leave ....that was superb business and two players crucial to us Those along with Etobo Federici and Afobe says it’s quite a good start to our summer but still plenty to do Exactly mate. Allen and Bauer in the championship is like signing two 10£m+ players. As above, but also a few if’s...inbula, Bojan, Berahino, Afelly... if GR is a miracle worker and gets these (or one, two or three) back to their best we’d only need good championship squad players as cover.. but realistically..... GR makes speedy desicions on the above, farms out anyone who isn’t going to make it or affect team spirit negativly and then makes it clear to the pizza boys not to clutch at the above straws...
|
|
|
Post by rawli on Jul 16, 2018 7:31:19 GMT
The dithering certainly seems to have reappeared. Comes from the top and filters through the club.
If we are genuinely serious about promotion we need to stop fannying around and pay for who we want. Not um and ar, watch our targets go elsewhere and then overspend on others in a knee-jerk panic.
|
|