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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 13, 2018 12:26:11 GMT
Pickford is reported as desperate to get the nod. He wants the golden glove and get in FIFA's team of the tournament. So that's one in the eye for those who say the game is irrelevant. that's right jordan fuck them other 2 why should they get a game, there's no i in team pal I think Courtois or Lloris have that particular award nailed down.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 12:37:35 GMT
I hope he plays the guys who haven't had a game and I hope they win 6-0 that will teach him to give people a chance. Geoff Hurst only played in 66 because Jimmy Greaves was injured.
I'll watch the game even though I'll have to listen to our so called experts bigging up that irritating Martinez again.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 13, 2018 13:57:53 GMT
that's right jordan fuck them other 2 why should they get a game, there's no i in team pal I think Courtois or Lloris have that particular award nailed down. Lloris for me.
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Post by duckling on Jul 13, 2018 17:43:37 GMT
I think Courtois or Lloris have that particular award nailed down. Lloris for me. If Croatia win, Subasic has to be in the conversation. He has been heroic in the penalty shootouts and very good otherwise.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 13, 2018 17:45:08 GMT
The only 3/4th place game I can remember is the one England played against Italy in 1990. Shilton played his last International game and dropped a clanger for their first, Platt scored with a fantastic header for the equaliser and they won it towards the end with a penalty (I think)? Correct. If England win tomorrow it will be the most successful world cup campaign ever on foreign soil. That's an achievement that none of the pundits on our TV screens have ever achieved. I think there are a lot of negative, childish, and sour grapes posts in this thread. We lost our semi to a better team, so move on and try and win the next match. Southgate should put out his "best team". That does not necessarily mean the same team. I think Kane, Sterling, and Rashford all looked poor, or in Sterling's case ineffective. He should not pick those who are clearly tired or not 100% physically. He should pick those who are clearly at the top of their game like Maguire and Trippier. I think it would be very unprofessional to pick someone to "give them a game". Pickford might warrant dropping because of his very poor kicking; I was under the impression he got his place above Butland because of his better distribution.
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Post by duckling on Jul 13, 2018 17:52:52 GMT
People in Croatia are apparently extremely proud of their bronze medal in 1998. Bilic is personally extremely proud of it too - he shouldn't be given his disgusting cheating in the semifinal though.
For small countries and their players, it seems to mean something. I still think it should be scrapped though.
I don't recall a 3rd place match at Euros. Is there one?
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 13, 2018 18:08:28 GMT
I hope he plays the guys who haven't had a game and I hope they win 6-0 that will teach him to give people a chance. Geoff Hurst only played in 66 because Jimmy Greaves was injured.
I'll watch the game even though I'll have to listen to our so called experts bigging up that irritating Martinez again. Not sure that is strictly true. Greaves missed the 4th game because of injury, but his form for England had been poor and his season for Spurs had been the poorest in 65-66 (16 goals) for any year between 61 and 69. Hurst played well, and had scored 40 goals in the 65-66 season, so Greaves had not done enough to justify getting his place back in the side. Ramsay put a huge emphasis on training and fitness, and Greaves was a notoriously "poor trainer" and not one of Ramsay's favourite type of players. Ramsay had a clear policy of picking players to carry out a specific role in his team, notably both Charltons, Stiles, and Moore. Greaves role was to score and he wasn't doing it in the tournament, so he didn't get his place back. Ramsay did put a number of players in and out of the side in 66, he dropped Alan Ball at one point, so it is quite conceivable that had Greaves not been injured he might well have been dropped, we'll never know. (NB I am a massive Greaves fan and think he is England's greatest goal scorer by a large margin.)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 18:17:44 GMT
I hope he plays the guys who haven't had a game and I hope they win 6-0 that will teach him to give people a chance. Geoff Hurst only played in 66 because Jimmy Greaves was injured.
I'll watch the game even though I'll have to listen to our so called experts bigging up that irritating Martinez again. Not sure that is strictly true. Greaves missed the 4th game because of injury, but his form for England had been poor and his season for Spurs had been the poorest in 65-66 (16 goals) for any year between 61 and 69. Hurst played well, and had scored 40 goals in the 65-66 season, so Greaves had not done enough to justify getting his place back in the side. Ramsay put a huge emphasis on training and fitness, and Greaves was a notoriously "poor trainer" and not one of Ramsay's favourite type of players. Ramsay had a clear policy of picking players to carry out a specific role in his team, notably both Charltons, Stiles, and Moore. Greaves role was to score and he wasn't doing it in the tournament, so he didn't get his place back. Ramsay did put a number of players in and out of the side in 66, he dropped Alan Ball at one point, so it is quite conceivable that had Greaves not been injured he might well have been dropped, we'll never know. (NB I am a massive Greaves fan and think he is England's greatest goal scorer by a large margin.) So are the stories that he wasn't injured but on the sauce true. Or are those just fake news
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Jul 13, 2018 19:18:30 GMT
Now the game is getting closer the more I'm thinking we need to win it actually.
Anything to put that Martinez tart further down the pecking order.
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Post by stillgame4it on Jul 13, 2018 19:26:50 GMT
This game even makes the Charity Shield look interesting 🙄
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Post by duckling on Jul 13, 2018 21:25:44 GMT
Do you think the players and managers might be under pressure from the clubs not to try hard or play at all in order to avoid injury?
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Post by BuzzB on Jul 13, 2018 22:45:45 GMT
Pickford to keep his place according to Sky. Which does nowt for team spirit, the only two players to see no action whatsoever are Jack and Pope. Yet they have trained as well as everyone for 5 weeks. Do the right thing Gareth and give one of them a go.
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Post by Gods on Jul 13, 2018 22:54:38 GMT
If we lose we'll end up with a World Cup campaign which reads:
Played 7 Won 3 Lost 3 Drawn 1
We may have had a desperately easy group and a doddle of a run to the semis which didn't involve really playing anyone but our efforts have deserved better than that record so lets try and win this one England, it may not matter much in the grander scheme of things but winning it would be better than losing it.
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Post by samba :) on Jul 13, 2018 23:02:44 GMT
If we lose we'll end up with a World Cup campaign which reads: Played 7 Won 3 Lost 3 Drawn 1 We may have had a desperately easy group and a doddle of a run to the semis which didn't involve really playing anyone but our efforts have deserved better than that record so lets try and win this one England, it may not matter much in the grander scheme of things but winning it would be better than losing it. croatias cant read too well either though Won 4 drawn 2 isnt really great to be in a wc final
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Post by kustokie on Jul 13, 2018 23:03:47 GMT
I hope he plays the guys who haven't had a game and I hope they win 6-0 that will teach him to give people a chance. Geoff Hurst only played in 66 because Jimmy Greaves was injured.
I'll watch the game even though I'll have to listen to our so called experts bigging up that irritating Martinez again. Not sure that is strictly true. Greaves missed the 4th game because of injury, but his form for England had been poor and his season for Spurs had been the poorest in 65-66 (16 goals) for any year between 61 and 69. Hurst played well, and had scored 40 goals in the 65-66 season, so Greaves had not done enough to justify getting his place back in the side. Ramsay put a huge emphasis on training and fitness, and Greaves was a notoriously "poor trainer" and not one of Ramsay's favourite type of players. Ramsay had a clear policy of picking players to carry out a specific role in his team, notably both Charltons, Stiles, and Moore. Greaves role was to score and he wasn't doing it in the tournament, so he didn't get his place back. Ramsay did put a number of players in and out of the side in 66, he dropped Alan Ball at one point, so it is quite conceivable that had Greaves not been injured he might well have been dropped, we'll never know. (NB I am a massive Greaves fan and think he is England's greatest goal scorer by a large margin.) My recollection is similar. I was also a big Greavsy fan. However, I believe Sir Alf always preferred Roger Hunt to Greaves and was always looking to play him in the front three along with Hurst and Ball.
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Post by kustokie on Jul 13, 2018 23:05:28 GMT
If we lose we'll end up with a World Cup campaign which reads: Played 7 Won 3 Lost 3 Drawn 1 We may have had a desperately easy group and a doddle of a run to the semis which didn't involve really playing anyone but our efforts have deserved better than that record so lets try and win this one England, it may not matter much in the grander scheme of things but winning it would be better than losing it. Bloody hell! My glass is usually half empty, but you need a new glass.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 23:09:56 GMT
Who really cares about this match. Italia 90 I have no idea who we played and I think the players weren't bothered as we lost.
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Post by Gods on Jul 13, 2018 23:16:44 GMT
If we lose we'll end up with a World Cup campaign which reads: Played 7 Won 3 Lost 3 Drawn 1 We may have had a desperately easy group and a doddle of a run to the semis which didn't involve really playing anyone but our efforts have deserved better than that record so lets try and win this one England, it may not matter much in the grander scheme of things but winning it would be better than losing it. croatias cant read too well either though Won 4 drawn 2 isnt really great to be in a wc final I reckon Croatia definitely got lucky too. No one even remotely objective would suggest they are the 2nd best team in the competition. But football is the chanciest of all sports which is why I think we love it so much.
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Post by Gods on Jul 13, 2018 23:19:27 GMT
If we lose we'll end up with a World Cup campaign which reads: Played 7 Won 3 Lost 3 Drawn 1 We may have had a desperately easy group and a doddle of a run to the semis which didn't involve really playing anyone but our efforts have deserved better than that record so lets try and win this one England, it may not matter much in the grander scheme of things but winning it would be better than losing it. Bloody hell! My glass is usually half empty, but you need a new glass. I nearly added that we had a qualifying group which was so benign it was almost laughable. Basically we got to the World Cup semis playing one half decent side which was Belgium to whom we lost and even that didn't matter!
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Post by samba :) on Jul 13, 2018 23:19:28 GMT
Who really cares about this match. Italia 90 I have no idea who we played and I think the players weren't bothered as we lost. linekar said the other day that it is the most horrible game of football he's played
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Post by samba :) on Jul 13, 2018 23:21:18 GMT
croatias cant read too well either though Won 4 drawn 2 isnt really great to be in a wc final I reckon Croatia definitely got lucky too. No one even remotely objective would suggest they are the 2nd best team in the competition. But football is the chanciest of all sports which is why I think we love it so much. being completely honest the only team on our side of the draw you could say had potential to be one of the best was spain. The rest have just benefited from the weird draw
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Post by thfc67 on Jul 13, 2018 23:32:22 GMT
Not sure that is strictly true. Greaves missed the 4th game because of injury, but his form for England had been poor and his season for Spurs had been the poorest in 65-66 (16 goals) for any year between 61 and 69. Hurst played well, and had scored 40 goals in the 65-66 season, so Greaves had not done enough to justify getting his place back in the side. Ramsay put a huge emphasis on training and fitness, and Greaves was a notoriously "poor trainer" and not one of Ramsay's favourite type of players. Ramsay had a clear policy of picking players to carry out a specific role in his team, notably both Charltons, Stiles, and Moore. Greaves role was to score and he wasn't doing it in the tournament, so he didn't get his place back. Ramsay did put a number of players in and out of the side in 66, he dropped Alan Ball at one point, so it is quite conceivable that had Greaves not been injured he might well have been dropped, we'll never know. (NB I am a massive Greaves fan and think he is England's greatest goal scorer by a large margin.) So are the stories that he wasn't injured but on the sauce true. Or are those just fake news Firstly, you are correct in saying Greaves only scored 16 goals in the 65/66 season. What you failed to mention is he only played 31 games. Secondly, his form for England had not been poor. England played four friendlies in 1966 leading up to the World Cup, winning them all. Greaves scored 5 of the 11 goals scored. Thirdly, Greaves received 14 stiches in his shin after the final group game against France, so missed the quarter-final and the semi-final due to his injury. Greaves was fit to play in the final but Ramsey opted against changing a winning team.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 23:35:45 GMT
So are the stories that he wasn't injured but on the sauce true. Or are those just fake news Firstly, you are correct in saying Greaves only scored 16 goals in the 65/66 season. What you failed to mention is he only played 31 games. Secondly, his form for England had not been poor. England played four friendlies in 1966 leading up to the World Cup, winning them all. Greaves scored 5 of the 11 goals scored. Thirdly, Greaves received 14 stiches in his shin after the final group game against France, so missed the quarter-final and the semi-final due to his injury. Greaves was fit to play in the final but Ramsey opted against changing a winning team. What was Kane playing at the other night? He would have buried that chance for you lot.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 13, 2018 23:45:50 GMT
Goooaaarrn England ☺
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Post by thfc67 on Jul 13, 2018 23:50:28 GMT
Firstly, you are correct in saying Greaves only scored 16 goals in the 65/66 season. What you failed to mention is he only played 31 games. Secondly, his form for England had not been poor. England played four friendlies in 1966 leading up to the World Cup, winning them all. Greaves scored 5 of the 11 goals scored. Thirdly, Greaves received 14 stiches in his shin after the final group game against France, so missed the quarter-final and the semi-final due to his injury. Greaves was fit to play in the final but Ramsey opted against changing a winning team. What was Kane playing at the other night? He would have buried that chance for you lot. What chance, seriously? I don't remember him having a chance. That said, he had a shit game, by his standards. But remember, when Kane scored his 3rd goal (5th in total) after 62 minutes against Panama in the second game, Southgate took him off. He then 'rested' him for the following game. Someone, I think Shearer said you should never rest a striker who is on fire.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 13, 2018 23:56:50 GMT
Firstly, you are correct in saying Greaves only scored 16 goals in the 65/66 season. What you failed to mention is he only played 31 games. Secondly, his form for England had not been poor. England played four friendlies in 1966 leading up to the World Cup, winning them all. Greaves scored 5 of the 11 goals scored. Thirdly, Greaves received 14 stiches in his shin after the final group game against France, so missed the quarter-final and the semi-final due to his injury. Greaves was fit to play in the final but Ramsey opted against changing a winning team. What was Kane playing at the other night? He would have buried that chance for you lot. Yeah well. When the backlash starts it'll be thrown in his face.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 0:01:56 GMT
What was Kane playing at the other night? He would have buried that chance for you lot. What chance, seriously? I don't remember him having a chance. That said, he had a shit game, by his standards. But remember, when Kane scored his 3rd goal (5th in total) after 62 minutes against Panama in the second game, Southgate took him off. He then 'rested' him for the following game. Someone, I think Shearer said you should never rest a striker who is on fire. The one on one with the keeper and the rebound where he hit the post from a couple of yards out, it was an absolute sitter by his standards.
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Post by marwood on Jul 14, 2018 0:06:33 GMT
I hope he plays the guys who haven't had a game and I hope they win 6-0 that will teach him to give people a chance. Geoff Hurst only played in 66 because Jimmy Greaves was injured.
I'll watch the game even though I'll have to listen to our so called experts bigging up that irritating Martinez again. Not sure that is strictly true. Greaves missed the 4th game because of injury, but his form for England had been poor and his season for Spurs had been the poorest in 65-66 (16 goals) for any year between 61 and 69. Hurst played well, and had scored 40 goals in the 65-66 season, so Greaves had not done enough to justify getting his place back in the side. Ramsay put a huge emphasis on training and fitness, and Greaves was a notoriously "poor trainer" and not one of Ramsay's favourite type of players. Ramsay had a clear policy of picking players to carry out a specific role in his team, notably both Charltons, Stiles, and Moore. Greaves role was to score and he wasn't doing it in the tournament, so he didn't get his place back. Ramsay did put a number of players in and out of the side in 66, he dropped Alan Ball at one point, so it is quite conceivable that had Greaves not been injured he might well have been dropped, we'll never know. (NB I am a massive Greaves fan and think he is England's greatest goal scorer by a large margin.) John Hegley has the last word on Greavsie
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Post by thfc67 on Jul 14, 2018 0:09:47 GMT
What was Kane playing at the other night? He would have buried that chance for you lot. Yeah well. When the backlash starts it'll be thrown in his face. I don't think there will be any backlash. The mood in the country seems good towards the team and I think they'll all get a warm welcome home.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 14, 2018 0:20:28 GMT
Yeah well. When the backlash starts it'll be thrown in his face. I don't think there will be any backlash. The mood in the country seems good towards the team and I think they'll all get a warm welcome home. Of course. But one sidewards glance can lead to pandemonium.
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