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Post by southcranford on Jul 8, 2018 22:18:08 GMT
Like the rest of country I'm massively impressed by Southgate and how he's put together this England team, and that's exactly what it is s genuine team they hasn't been the case in years.
What I'm most impressed by and what doesn't seem to be getting picked up on is the psychology he seems to have instilled in the players. After the Colombia game he made comments about encouraging the players to "create their own story" which to me shoes how he's placing both trust and responsibility in the shoulders of these young men, and which seems to be motivating them to achieve.
Read yesterday comments from him about how he said to them that the success they could have playing for country will be far greater than any success they will have playing for their club. This is massive and it's been clear from history that this mindset has been missing, even lampard suggested as much on one of the world cup shows a few days ago.
I'm loving how the players are active with the fans and on social media this tournament, in a controlled way and almost using that connection with the fan base as a driver..whether this is just s product of the youth of the squad or a more conscious part of the tournament strategy I don't know
I think back to the days of capello when the camp seemed like it was ran like a prison, or Sven's jollly boys club and now it's obvious that we didn't perform..I can never imagine Woy considering a more progressive approach to tournaments and in the end he just seemed completely out of his depth. I know Pippa Grange has-been working with the squad on peno's and it'd be interesting hear about how else she's been advising Southgate about how to get the most from his team
All in all, it doesn't matter if we win for me, it's reignited a passion in me for the national team they I'd lost over the last ten years. I reckon were a bit shy on experience and it could be a genuine world class display from a hazard/de bruyne/mbappe type that breaks our hearts
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 8, 2018 22:24:49 GMT
The social media thing is all very high and dandy while things are going well. But as soon as we go out....
Southo tales a positive approach. He knows methods from when he was younger simply don't work anymore. Screaming abuse at a player for making a mistake never worked. That doesn't mean he's a soft touch though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 22:32:07 GMT
Pippa Grange Head of people and team development Grange studied sports psychology at Loughborough and spent 20 years working in Australian sport. She started work at the FA in January and is embedded with the squad in Repino, where her task is to work on building the psychological resistance of the players. She tends not to work directly with the playing staff, but instead speaks with Southgate and his coaches to identify their aims. She has encouraged the players to be more open and to share personal stories, even via the media, to help shed inhibitions. linkAlso what about the ex Macc Town player who is the striking coach. Allan Russell Attacking coach Southgate has credited Russell, a Scot who enjoyed a nomadic career in the lower leagues, with England’s new-found prowess at attacking set plays, having taken him on to his staff a year ago. Russell experienced positional specialist coaching during his time in the US with Carolina RailHawks and Orange County Blues, and works with the players on finishing, movement and penalties, aiming to give them an edge. |
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Post by Gods on Jul 8, 2018 22:43:31 GMT
So far we've beaten Tunisia with the last kick of the game, thumped hapless Panama, lost to Belgium, drawn with Columbia and beaten a very average Sweden team mostly made up of players plying their trade in the Championship and the German 2nd tier.
Sure he's done well but it's a mite premature to declare him some great Svengali !
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Post by Stokiedokie on Jul 8, 2018 22:43:53 GMT
There was a half-hour segment on Five Live on Saturday morning about this very topic - essentially praising Southgate for understanding each player as an individual an getting them to play to their personal strengths. He's realised that, in the short time he has the squad together, he can't do much to improve their skills but he can improve their mental approach. His methods remind me of those used by Clive Woodward with the rugby boys - and look what happened in 2003 :-)
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 8, 2018 22:46:27 GMT
I like him steering the culture away from macho bullshit.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jul 8, 2018 22:49:48 GMT
I'm only just old enough to remember England losing in the semi-final in 1990, but from the clips/quotes I've seen of Bobby Robson, he's the former England manager Southgate reminds me most of in how I've seen them deal with and talk about players. I'm hesitant to compare any manager to Bobby Robson (even if England win the World Cup this time, Southgate will be Southgate and not Bobby Robson). It's obvious they both genuinely care(d) about everyone involved and are/were as passionate as anyone about England winning. Robson seemed to put a lot of trust in the players (even sticking with plenty of players who failed in Euro 88) and Southgate seems to be doing the same e.g. by keeping Ali, Pickford and Sterling as first choices. Pickford and Sterling in particular repaid that faith in the Sweden match. Southgate knows they're capable and trusts them to come good. It could all be very different (e.g. no equaliser vs Tunisia, lost on penalties against Colombia) but there's not much case for another foreign manager at the moment. Let's just hope Southgate gets support if it goes pear-shaped at some point and doesn't get hounded out* by the media like other managers have in the past 25ish years. *Allardyce excluded.  |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 8, 2018 22:53:42 GMT
I'm only just old enough to remember England losing in the semi-final in 1990, but from the clips/quotes I've seen of Bobby Robson, he's the former England manager Southgate reminds me most of in how I've seen them deal with and talk about players. I'm hesitant to compare any manager to Bobby Robson (even if England win the World Cup this time, Southgate will be Southgate and not Bobby Robson). It's obvious they both genuinely care(d) about everyone involved and are/were as passionate as anyone about England winning. Robson seemed to put a lot of trust in the players (even sticking with plenty of players who failed in Euro 88) and Southgate seems to be doing the same e.g. by keeping Ali, Pickford and Sterling as first choices. Pickford and Sterling in particular repaid that faith in the Sweden match. Southgate knows they're capable and trusts them to come good. It could all be very different (e.g. no equaliser vs Tunisia, lost on penalties against Colombia) but there's not much case for another foreign manager at the moment. Let's just hope Southgate gets support if it goes pear-shaped at some point and doesn't get hounded out* by the media like other managers have in the past 25ish years. *Allardyce excluded. Sometimes it's a fine line between success and failure. The thing is to make sure you are on the right side of the aforementioned line. |
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Post by tony1234 on Jul 8, 2018 22:54:17 GMT
Like the rest of country I'm massively impressed by Southgate and how he's put together this England team, and that's exactly what it is s genuine team they hasn't been the case in years. What I'm most impressed by and what doesn't seem to be getting picked up on is the psychology he seems to have instilled in the players. After the Colombia game he made comments about encouraging the players to "create their own story" which to me shoes how he's placing both trust and responsibility in the shoulders of these young men, and which seems to be motivating them to achieve. Read yesterday comments from him about how he said to them that the success they could have playing for country will be far greater than any success they will have playing for their club. This is massive and it's been clear from history that this mindset has been missing, even lampard suggested as much on one of the world cup shows a few days ago. I'm loving how the players are active with the fans and on social media this tournament, in a controlled way and almost using that connection with the fan base as a driver..whether this is just s product of the youth of the squad or a more conscious part of the tournament strategy I don't know I think back to the days of capello when the camp seemed like it was ran like a prison, or Sven's jollly boys club and now it's obvious that we didn't perform..I can never imagine Woy considering a more progressive approach to tournaments and in the end he just seemed completely out of his depth. I know Pippa Grange has-been working with the squad on peno's and it'd be interesting hear about how else she's been advising Southgate about how to get the most from his team All in all, it doesn't matter if we win for me, it's reignited a passion in me for the national team they I'd lost over the last ten years. I reckon were a bit shy on experience and it could be a genuine world class display from a hazard/de bruyne/mbappe type that breaks our hearts Great post! Yes, he is doing pretty much everything by the book... and in doing so, being far more advanced in his thinking than we've had from our national coach for quite some time. He is managing the pressure. He is not afraid to confront the egos (telling Ali to "grow up" back in Spring when he didn't pick him). But mostly, this is about mental preparation. He talked about planning for all foreseeable scenarios at one point. ... that's precisely what Woodward did and was the idea behind the revitalisation of the Olympics team in Beijing.... I went on a worky course a couple of yrs ago (the first interesting one ever and last!) which was run by a group of sports psychologists who applied their thinking to business, and was headed up by Adrian Moorhouse the swimmer. I got chatting over lunch about the England footie team - and he was very quick to attribute our ails to footballers' amateurish preparation over the years (which also contributed to the deficit behind home and away results). The Olympic squad walked their walk to the track or pool many times beforehand, went to the stadia, had war rooms mocked up of locations so everything looked familiar, played out scenarios with opponents and gamesmanship and crowds etc - so they knew what to do when they arose without distraction... If you think about it.... "You are 2-1 down to Iceland with 30 mins to go... you feel awful and in panic.... your plan A isn't working... striker is double marked and you can't service him.... they are sitting in 2 banks of 4... what do you do?" I sense teams past wouldn't have had that thought through - how it felt to be in that mess, as well as the strategy and the new roles everyone had to take - and planned it out. You can't devise a strategy on the pitch for that in the heat of battle, with the emotions involved. But sense Southgate would at least have the players knowing how to respond. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 8, 2018 22:55:30 GMT
There was a half-hour segment on Five Live on Saturday morning about this very topic - essentially praising Southgate for understanding each player as an individual an getting them to play to their personal strengths. He's realised that, in the short time he has the squad together, he can't do much to improve their skills but he can improve their mental approach. His methods remind me of those used by Clive Woodward with the rugby boys - and look what happened in 2003 :-) His tactics have shown this approach too. I hate three at the back but my word he's made it work and he had to. All three of the CBs in that starting XI are average with maybe Maguire being able to go a bit further. Walker and Stones are both mistakes waiting to happen and Maguire is a good defender but missing some things that may hinder him to make that next step up. But all are good footballers and all have some attributes that they excel at. In a back 4 I think they'd horrendous together but in the back 3 they cover each other's deficiencies with their strengths. He's found a balance there that made what was the weakest area of the squad a strength. |
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Post by tony1234 on Jul 8, 2018 22:58:43 GMT
There was a half-hour segment on Five Live on Saturday morning about this very topic - essentially praising Southgate for understanding each player as an individual an getting them to play to their personal strengths. He's realised that, in the short time he has the squad together, he can't do much to improve their skills but he can improve their mental approach. His methods remind me of those used by Clive Woodward with the rugby boys - and look what happened in 2003 :-) His tactics have shown this approach too. I hate three at the back but my word he's made it work and he had to. All three of the CBs in that starting XI are average with maybe Maguire being able to go a bit further. Walker and Stones are both mistakes waiting to happen and Maguire is a good defender but missing some things that may hinder him to make that next step up. But all are good footballers and all have some attributes that they excel at. In a back 4 I think they'd horrendous together but in the back 3 they cover each other's deficiencies with their strengths. He's found a balance there that made what was the weakest area of the squad a strength. Funnily enough, Robson's 1990 system wasn't a country mile from our's now. He had Parker and Pearce as attacking fullbacks. 3 at the back. www.theblizzard.co.uk/article/england-1-west-germany-1 |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 8, 2018 23:00:08 GMT
Like the rest of country I'm massively impressed by Southgate and how he's put together this England team, and that's exactly what it is s genuine team they hasn't been the case in years. What I'm most impressed by and what doesn't seem to be getting picked up on is the psychology he seems to have instilled in the players. After the Colombia game he made comments about encouraging the players to "create their own story" which to me shoes how he's placing both trust and responsibility in the shoulders of these young men, and which seems to be motivating them to achieve. Read yesterday comments from him about how he said to them that the success they could have playing for country will be far greater than any success they will have playing for their club. This is massive and it's been clear from history that this mindset has been missing, even lampard suggested as much on one of the world cup shows a few days ago. I'm loving how the players are active with the fans and on social media this tournament, in a controlled way and almost using that connection with the fan base as a driver..whether this is just s product of the youth of the squad or a more conscious part of the tournament strategy I don't know I think back to the days of capello when the camp seemed like it was ran like a prison, or Sven's jollly boys club and now it's obvious that we didn't perform..I can never imagine Woy considering a more progressive approach to tournaments and in the end he just seemed completely out of his depth. I know Pippa Grange has-been working with the squad on peno's and it'd be interesting hear about how else she's been advising Southgate about how to get the most from his team All in all, it doesn't matter if we win for me, it's reignited a passion in me for the national team they I'd lost over the last ten years. I reckon were a bit shy on experience and it could be a genuine world class display from a hazard/de bruyne/mbappe type that breaks our hearts Great post! Yes, he is doing pretty much everything by the book... and in doing so, being far more advanced in his thinking than we've had from our national coach for quite some time. He is managing the pressure. He is not afraid to confront the egos (telling Ali to "grow up" back in Spring when he didn't pick him). But mostly, this is about mental preparation. He talked about planning for all foreseeable scenarios at one point. ... that's precisely what Woodward did and was the idea behind the revitalisation of the Olympics team in Beijing.... I went on a worky course a couple of yrs ago (the first interesting one ever and last!) which was run by a group of sports psychologists who applied their thinking to business, and was headed up by Adrian Moorhouse the swimmer. I got chatting over lunch about the England footie team - and he was very quick to attribute our ails to footballers' amateurish preparation over the years (which also contributed to the deficit behind home and away results). The Olympic squad walked their walk to the track or pool many times beforehand, went to the stadia, had war rooms mocked up of locations so everything looked familiar, played out scenarios with opponents and gamesmanship and crowds etc - so they knew what to do when they arose without distraction... If you think about it.... "You are 2-1 down to Iceland with 30 mins to go... you feel awful and in panic.... your plan A isn't working... striker is double marked and you can't service him.... they are sitting in 2 banks of 4... what do you do?" I sense teams past wouldn't have had that thought through - how it felt to be in that mess, as well as the strategy and the new roles everyone had to take - and planned it out. You can't devise a strategy on the pitch for that in the heat of battle, with the emotions involved. But sense Southgate would at least have the players knowing how to respond. Part of that is the way, unlike many other football cultures, in Britain people (not just players) aren't brought up to 'think football '. There's too often been a refusal to expand football thinking. This was written a few weeks after the Iceland disaster www.football365.com/news/are-england-too-thick-to-win-anything |
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Post by tony1234 on Jul 8, 2018 23:11:43 GMT
Great post! Yes, he is doing pretty much everything by the book... and in doing so, being far more advanced in his thinking than we've had from our national coach for quite some time. He is managing the pressure. He is not afraid to confront the egos (telling Ali to "grow up" back in Spring when he didn't pick him). But mostly, this is about mental preparation. He talked about planning for all foreseeable scenarios at one point. ... that's precisely what Woodward did and was the idea behind the revitalisation of the Olympics team in Beijing.... I went on a worky course a couple of yrs ago (the first interesting one ever and last!) which was run by a group of sports psychologists who applied their thinking to business, and was headed up by Adrian Moorhouse the swimmer. I got chatting over lunch about the England footie team - and he was very quick to attribute our ails to footballers' amateurish preparation over the years (which also contributed to the deficit behind home and away results). The Olympic squad walked their walk to the track or pool many times beforehand, went to the stadia, had war rooms mocked up of locations so everything looked familiar, played out scenarios with opponents and gamesmanship and crowds etc - so they knew what to do when they arose without distraction... If you think about it.... "You are 2-1 down to Iceland with 30 mins to go... you feel awful and in panic.... your plan A isn't working... striker is double marked and you can't service him.... they are sitting in 2 banks of 4... what do you do?" I sense teams past wouldn't have had that thought through - how it felt to be in that mess, as well as the strategy and the new roles everyone had to take - and planned it out. You can't devise a strategy on the pitch for that in the heat of battle, with the emotions involved. But sense Southgate would at least have the players knowing how to respond. Part of that is the way, unlike many other football cultures, in Britain people (not just players) aren't brought up to 'think football '. There's too often been a refusal to expand football thinking. This was written a few weeks after the Iceland disaster www.football365.com/news/are-england-too-thick-to-win-anythingThat's funny and resonates too... I particularly liked this bit, "“Let’s just say they’re very educationally undernourished. I wouldn’t be surprised if their average reading age was about 10 or 11. Some read with their finger on the page, like a kid. Most of them are likeable and are nice lads, but you wouldn’t want most of them on your pub quiz team." :-). ... Its a good explanation (i.e. intelligence).. the culture translating from payers into management too. Maybe I'm over stretching it a bit here, but, it would explain being out-thought against top teams; starting games well but once the opposition sees our pattern and responds, not being able to re-adapt and just end up increasingly desperate (e.g. vs Brazil 2002, Iceland, Italy 2014); rash decision making (Beckham 98, Gascoigne 90), not having the mental discipline under pressure (all peno defeats). For the first time in the WC, we've even had our own little dabble in the art of gamesmanship (vs Columbia). |
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Post by entropy92 on Jul 8, 2018 23:34:18 GMT
I'm only just old enough to remember England losing in the semi-final in 1990, but from the clips/quotes I've seen of Bobby Robson, he's the former England manager Southgate reminds me most of in how I've seen them deal with and talk about players. I'm hesitant to compare any manager to Bobby Robson (even if England win the World Cup this time, Southgate will be Southgate and not Bobby Robson). It's obvious they both genuinely care(d) about everyone involved and are/were as passionate as anyone about England winning. Robson seemed to put a lot of trust in the players (even sticking with plenty of players who failed in Euro 88) and Southgate seems to be doing the same e.g. by keeping Ali, Pickford and Sterling as first choices. Pickford and Sterling in particular repaid that faith in the Sweden match. Southgate knows they're capable and trusts them to come good. It could all be very different (e.g. no equaliser vs Tunisia, lost on penalties against Colombia) but there's not much case for another foreign manager at the moment. Let's just hope Southgate gets support if it goes pear-shaped at some point and doesn't get hounded out* by the media like other managers have in the past 25ish years. *Allardyce excluded. Sometimes it's a fine line between success and failure. The thing is to make sure you are on the right side of the aforementioned line. Very fine lines indeed. Martinez was minutes away from humiliation, the sack and no doubt endless ridicule against Japan and now look at him! |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 8, 2018 23:54:53 GMT
So far we've beaten Tunisia with the last kick of the game, thumped hapless Panama, lost to Belgium, drawn with Columbia and beaten a very average Sweden team mostly made up of players plying their trade in the Championship and the German 2nd tier. Sure he's done well but it's a mite premature to declare him some great Svengali ! If you analyse our previous semi final appearances at major tournaments though, you could pretty much say the same thing. Plus, England teams in recent times have routinely failed to negotiate supposedly modest opposition. |
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Post by wapiti on Jul 9, 2018 0:06:19 GMT
Very impressed with his trust and selection of younger players. It seems to have worked. After this WC is over, England will be miles ahead of other teams that have aged past their expiration date. Call it a huge success....they are in the semi-finals and only have to beat a tired leg Croatia to reach the Final. I think that exceeds pre-WC expectations.
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Post by Gods on Jul 9, 2018 0:06:45 GMT
So far we've beaten Tunisia with the last kick of the game, thumped hapless Panama, lost to Belgium, drawn with Columbia and beaten a very average Sweden team mostly made up of players plying their trade in the Championship and the German 2nd tier. Sure he's done well but it's a mite premature to declare him some great Svengali ! If you analyse our previous semi final appearances at major tournaments though, you could pretty much say the same thing. Plus, England teams in recent times have routinely failed to negotiate supposedly modest opposition. Yes you could. Bobby Robson got the full treatment from the press after out draws with Ireland and Holland at Italia 90 before we squeaked past Egypt 1-0 in the final game to get out of the group. Then there was the David Platt special to gun down Belgium in the round of 16 and Gary Lineker took a couple of dodgy dives to win penalties against Cameroon to rescue us from defeat in the Q/F's. We played Germany in THAT semi-final without really having put together one decent performance. |
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Post by jwhpotter on Jul 9, 2018 1:14:28 GMT
So far we've beaten Tunisia with the last kick of the game, thumped hapless Panama, lost to Belgium, drawn with Columbia and beaten a very average Sweden team mostly made up of players plying their trade in the Championship and the German 2nd tier. Sure he's done well but it's a mite premature to declare him some great Svengali ! You can only beat what’s in front of you and that Belgium loss was tactical genius. Croatia looked very average in their quarter so let’s go and beat them and get ourselves to the final! |
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Post by The man from Utch on Jul 9, 2018 2:21:23 GMT
It takes belief to think you can go all the way, somehow Southgate has instilled this within the team one game at a time. This same belief is now in the heart of the nation...... I simply cannot see anything standing in the way of it, it's gone beyond hope to "it is coming home".
“Whether you think you can, or you think you can't--you're right.” Henry Ford.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 9, 2018 5:43:46 GMT
If you analyse our previous semi final appearances at major tournaments though, you could pretty much say the same thing. Plus, England teams in recent times have routinely failed to negotiate supposedly modest opposition. Yes you could. Bobby Robson got the full treatment from the press after out draws with Ireland and Holland at Italia 90 before we squeaked past Egypt 1-0 in the final game to get out of the group. Then there was the David Platt special to gun down Belgium in the round of 16 and Gary Lineker took a couple of dodgy dives to win penalties against Cameroon to rescue us from defeat in the Q/F's. We played Germany in THAT semi-final without really having put together one decent performance. Euro ‘96 we didn’t have to qualify and only really played well in two games, one of which we lost. Didn’t detract from my enjoyment of it one iota, nor did our run in Italia ‘90, nor did us not having to play anyone any good en route to the cup final in 2011. |
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Post by salopstick on Jul 9, 2018 6:07:58 GMT
So far we've beaten Tunisia with the last kick of the game, thumped hapless Panama, lost to Belgium, drawn with Columbia and beaten a very average Sweden team mostly made up of players plying their trade in the Championship and the German 2nd tier. Sure he's done well but it's a mite premature to declare him some great Svengali ! But under some of the other messiahs we would have failed to do that. You can only beat what’s put in front of you. We have had the wrong approach in tournaments for years. As soon as we get it right people are quick to point out the faults And we moan at the media for doing so. History doesn’t remember who you played just where you finish |
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Post by Trouserdog on Jul 9, 2018 6:15:07 GMT
If you analyse our previous semi final appearances at major tournaments though, you could pretty much say the same thing. Plus, England teams in recent times have routinely failed to negotiate supposedly modest opposition. Yes you could. Bobby Robson got the full treatment from the press after out draws with Ireland and Holland at Italia 90 before we squeaked past Egypt 1-0 in the final game to get out of the group. Then there was the David Platt special to gun down Belgium in the round of 16 and Gary Lineker took a couple of dodgy dives to win penalties against Cameroon to rescue us from defeat in the Q/F's. We played Germany in THAT semi-final without really having put together one decent performance. To an extent, that's re-writing history. We were great in that 0-0 v Holland- should have won easily against one of the best teams in the world. Lineker was taken out twice v Cameroon- they were nowhere near 'dives'. Plus, Cameroon were a really good side- arguably the best African side in history, and we had to really dig in to get the better of them. How many winners of a World Cup do so by steamrollering every opponent they face, and beat several 'elite' sides on the way? Not many. Most grow into these tournaments, grind out a few results and have elements of luck. France were shite against Australia, dreadful against DEnmark, yet did enough to win the group and have only kicked in once the knockout rounds got going. Brazil are the first decent side Belgium have faced, and they were very lucky to get past Japan etc etc You can write a negative, misery guts version of history for every World Cup winner since time began if you choose to. That's where we excel in this country- choosing to be miserable, to belittle our own achievements and to put a downer on everything related to the national team. |
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Post by heworksardtho on Jul 9, 2018 6:25:18 GMT
I think after he sold his soul in that pizza advert with Stuart Pearce etc , which was a slap in the face to all England fans at the time , he has now got his credibility back
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jul 9, 2018 6:33:20 GMT
There was a half-hour segment on Five Live on Saturday morning about this very topic - essentially praising Southgate for understanding each player as an individual an getting them to play to their personal strengths. He's realised that, in the short time he has the squad together, he can't do much to improve their skills but he can improve their mental approach. His methods remind me of those used by Clive Woodward with the rugby boys - and look what happened in 2003 :-) His tactics have shown this approach too. I hate three at the back but my word he's made it work and he had to. All three of the CBs in that starting XI are average with maybe Maguire being able to go a bit further. Walker and Stones are both mistakes waiting to happen and Maguire is a good defender but missing some things that may hinder him to make that next step up. But all are good footballers and all have some attributes that they excel at. In a back 4 I think they'd horrendous together but in the back 3 they cover each other's deficiencies with their strengths. He's found a balance there that made what was the weakest area of the squad a strength. Stones and Maguire have been hugely impressive so far for me. In terms of maguire, he's been one of the best defenders in the tournament for me. Still young and inexperienced. What attribute is he lacking? |
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Post by staffsvilla on Jul 9, 2018 6:37:37 GMT
So far we've beaten Tunisia with the last kick of the game, thumped hapless Panama, lost to Belgium, drawn with Columbia and beaten a very average Sweden team mostly made up of players plying their trade in the Championship and the German 2nd tier. Sure he's done well but it's a mite premature to declare him some great Svengali ! An awful draw with Ireland,scraping a 1-0 v Egypt,needing a 120th min goal to rob Belgium,needing 2 pens to scrape past Cameroon You see we can all find negatives mate, just sit back relax and enjoy the ride  |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 9, 2018 6:39:28 GMT
Didn't Lord Southgate pick Glen Johnson in one of his first squads?!... he's come a long way since that initial brain fart.
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Post by george2again on Jul 9, 2018 6:40:47 GMT
While everyone is euphoric at the moment, like the guy previously weave played nobody yet and the draw has been our best player. While Southgate is a gent, he looks totally inflexible to me as a manager. Players like Dele and Linguard have been virtual passengers and he seems very reluctant to replace them. His subs are all negative(pulis like) and just invite the opposition on and put us under pressure. Great bloke but Im far from convinced about him as a manager
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Jul 9, 2018 6:43:55 GMT
Yes you could. Bobby Robson got the full treatment from the press after out draws with Ireland and Holland at Italia 90 before we squeaked past Egypt 1-0 in the final game to get out of the group. Then there was the David Platt special to gun down Belgium in the round of 16 and Gary Lineker took a couple of dodgy dives to win penalties against Cameroon to rescue us from defeat in the Q/F's. We played Germany in THAT semi-final without really having put together one decent performance. To an extent, that's re-writing history. We were great in that 0-0 v Holland- should have won easily against one of the best teams in the world. Lineker was taken out twice v Cameroon- they were nowhere near 'dives'. Plus, Cameroon were a really good side- arguably the best African side in history, and we had to really dig in to get the better of them. How many winners of a World Cup do so by steamrollering every opponent they face, and beat several 'elite' sides on the way? Not many. Most grow into these tournaments, grind out a few results and have elements of luck. France were shite against Australia, dreadful against DEnmark, yet did enough to win the group and have only kicked in once the knockout rounds got going. Brazil are the first decent side Belgium have faced, and they were very lucky to get past Japan etc etc You can write a negative, misery guts version of history for every World Cup winner since time began if you choose to. That's where we excel in this country- choosing to be miserable, to belittle our own achievements and to put a downer on everything related to the national team. Brilliant post Trousers. Like you I’m sick and tired of some people always extenuating the negatives in everything and looking for angles that support their negative approach. Before reading I was trying desperately to think of any team that’s gone through a tournament with perfect performances and I couldn’t because quite simply there never has been one, except maybe the brilliant Brazilians of ‘70. Looking at it another way, in this tournament we absolutely battered Tunisia before getting our just desserts, annihated Panama, cleverly played our reserves against one of the tournament favourites, overcome a load of cheating, diving scumbags and continued on to take apart possibly our biggest our nemesis of recent years. Something good is happening, let’s just try and seize the moment and enjoy it while it lasts. |
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Post by staffsvilla on Jul 9, 2018 6:48:32 GMT
While everyone is euphoric at the moment, like the guy previously weave played nobody yet and the draw has been our best player. While Southgate is a gent, he looks totally inflexible to me as a manager. Players like Dele and Linguard have been virtual passengers and he seems very reluctant to replace them. His subs are all negative(pulis like) and just invite the opposition on and put us under pressure. Great bloke but Im far from convinced about him as a manager Sorry mate gonna have to defend Southgate here,he said before it started that he thought this was a tournament too early for this side so he's just settled on a system that he wants to play and stuck to it,as for being convinced about him as a manager whatever happens now we will equal or better our best World Cup since 66 so you remain unconvinced and I'll remain happy |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 9, 2018 6:52:20 GMT
Yes you could. Bobby Robson got the full treatment from the press after out draws with Ireland and Holland at Italia 90 before we squeaked past Egypt 1-0 in the final game to get out of the group. Then there was the David Platt special to gun down Belgium in the round of 16 and Gary Lineker took a couple of dodgy dives to win penalties against Cameroon to rescue us from defeat in the Q/F's. We played Germany in THAT semi-final without really having put together one decent performance. To an extent, that's re-writing history. We were great in that 0-0 v Holland- should have won easily against one of the best teams in the world. Lineker was taken out twice v Cameroon- they were nowhere near 'dives'. Plus, Cameroon were a really good side- arguably the best African side in history, and we had to really dig in to get the better of them. How many winners of a World Cup do so by steamrollering every opponent they face, and beat several 'elite' sides on the way? Not many. Most grow into these tournaments, grind out a few results and have elements of luck. France were shite against Australia, dreadful against DEnmark, yet did enough to win the group and have only kicked in once the knockout rounds got going. Brazil are the first decent side Belgium have faced, and they were very lucky to get past Japan etc etc You can write a negative, misery guts version of history for every World Cup winner since time began if you choose to. That's where we excel in this country- choosing to be miserable, to belittle our own achievements and to put a downer on everything related to the national team. Spot on, and that's the point I was trying to make. I loved Italia '90 and Euro '96. But we had plenty of luck and we were seven different shades of wank in the group stages, the two games against Holland and maybe half an hour against Scotland aside. You need a bit of luck, and in many respects that adds to the legend and the feelgood factor. Even in 1966 we had a bit of luck when we needed it. You'd be hard pushed to find a world cup winner, certainly in recent times, who didn't. |
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