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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 9, 2018 6:53:50 GMT
While everyone is euphoric at the moment, like the guy previously weave played nobody yet and the draw has been our best player. While Southgate is a gent, he looks totally inflexible to me as a manager. Players like Dele and Linguard have been virtual passengers and he seems very reluctant to replace them. His subs are all negative(pulis like) and just invite the opposition on and put us under pressure. Great bloke but Im far from convinced about him as a manager Lingard hasn't been a passenger in any way, shape or form. He may well turn out not to be a great manager but he's got us to a World Cup semi final and you'd have to be a miserable bastard of some magnitude not to enjoy that.
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Post by chris061 on Jul 9, 2018 7:18:36 GMT
While everyone is euphoric at the moment, like the guy previously weave played nobody yet and the draw has been our best player. While Southgate is a gent, he looks totally inflexible to me as a manager. Players like Dele and Linguard have been virtual passengers and he seems very reluctant to replace them. His subs are all negative(pulis like) and just invite the opposition on and put us under pressure. Great bloke but Im far from convinced about him as a manager Sorry mate gonna have to defend Southgate here,he said before it started that he thought this was a tournament too early for this side so he's just settled on a system that he wants to play and stuck to it,as for being convinced about him as a manager whatever happens now we will equal or better our best World Cup since 66 so you remain unconvinced and I'll remain happy Brilliant post mate
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Post by lordb on Jul 9, 2018 11:29:03 GMT
So far we've beaten Tunisia with the last kick of the game, thumped hapless Panama, lost to Belgium, drawn with Columbia and beaten a very average Sweden team mostly made up of players plying their trade in the Championship and the German 2nd tier. Sure he's done well but it's a mite premature to declare him some great Svengali ! all true (although we beat Colombia, or did we 'draw' all those games where lots on penalties?) however in the past we have lost all those type of games despite having better players than we do now.
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Post by Northy on Jul 9, 2018 11:36:11 GMT
To me it's nowhere near an England side, nobody thinks they are guaranteed to start, nobody kissing the badge, nobody kissing the tv camera after scoring, nobodies millionaire wives hanging around nearby grabbing headlines, what's gone wrong
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jul 9, 2018 11:43:03 GMT
You can't over analyse tournament football. After smashing Panama, winning a penalty shootout and then fairly easily bypassing Sweden in a quarter final where nerves didn't appear to be an issue at all, I have nothing to complain about. This isn't how England normally do tournament football and I've had at least four of the best mentals ever watching England in this World Cup.
Stop trying to put a dampener on it. It's not happened for 30-odd years and, for a lot of people my age (under 30), it's the first time we've witnessed us actually do something.
The nation is bouncing, the beer is flowing and England are fucking winning.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 9, 2018 12:15:15 GMT
It would be one hell of a storm to put a dampener on this for me. I'm pinching myself.
Gareth Southgreat.
😂😂
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Post by Will_75 on Jul 9, 2018 12:15:58 GMT
While everyone is euphoric at the moment, like the guy previously weave played nobody yet and the draw has been our best player. While Southgate is a gent, he looks totally inflexible to me as a manager. Players like Dele and Linguard have been virtual passengers and he seems very reluctant to replace them. His subs are all negative(pulis like) and just invite the opposition on and put us under pressure. Great bloke but Im far from convinced about him as a manager Lingard hasn't been a passenger in any way, shape or form. He may well turn out not to be a great manager but he's got us to a World Cup semi final and you'd have to be a miserable bastard of some magnitude not to enjoy that. Nailed it there, unfortunately
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Jul 9, 2018 12:29:08 GMT
Yes you could. Bobby Robson got the full treatment from the press after out draws with Ireland and Holland at Italia 90 before we squeaked past Egypt 1-0 in the final game to get out of the group. Then there was the David Platt special to gun down Belgium in the round of 16 and Gary Lineker took a couple of dodgy dives to win penalties against Cameroon to rescue us from defeat in the Q/F's. We played Germany in THAT semi-final without really having put together one decent performance. To an extent, that's re-writing history. We were great in that 0-0 v Holland- should have won easily against one of the best teams in the world. Lineker was taken out twice v Cameroon- they were nowhere near 'dives'. Plus, Cameroon were a really good side- arguably the best African side in history, and we had to really dig in to get the better of them. How many winners of a World Cup do so by steamrollering every opponent they face, and beat several 'elite' sides on the way? Not many. Most grow into these tournaments, grind out a few results and have elements of luck. France were shite against Australia, dreadful against DEnmark, yet did enough to win the group and have only kicked in once the knockout rounds got going. Brazil are the first decent side Belgium have faced, and they were very lucky to get past Japan etc etc You can write a negative, misery guts version of history for every World Cup winner since time began if you choose to. That's where we excel in this country- choosing to be miserable, to belittle our own achievements and to put a downer on everything related to the national team. Whatever that Dutch team were perceived to be prior to 1990, and indeed post 1990, they were not one of the best teams in the world at that world cup. England did play really well that game, but that dutch team failed to beat Ireland or Egypt, qualified 3rd out of 4 "lucky loser" places then were dispatched by Germany, played 4, won 0, drew 3, lost 1, scored 3 conceded 4. You can look at the Germany team and say they're one of the best teams in the world on paper, but on grass, they were shit. Maybe, as most of that Dutch team did, they'll come back to do ok at the next Euro's with most of that squad intact, but clearly the Dutch team of 1990 was missing something. They came back and did ok at Euro 92 having won 88. Bizarre really when you look at the first team. Not much really changes in terms of overall personnel. looking at the line ups in 1990 though, looks like they went 3-4-3 in the first game, 4-5-1 in the second, then 4-4-2 in the third.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 9, 2018 12:34:50 GMT
To an extent, that's re-writing history. We were great in that 0-0 v Holland- should have won easily against one of the best teams in the world. Lineker was taken out twice v Cameroon- they were nowhere near 'dives'. Plus, Cameroon were a really good side- arguably the best African side in history, and we had to really dig in to get the better of them. How many winners of a World Cup do so by steamrollering every opponent they face, and beat several 'elite' sides on the way? Not many. Most grow into these tournaments, grind out a few results and have elements of luck. France were shite against Australia, dreadful against DEnmark, yet did enough to win the group and have only kicked in once the knockout rounds got going. Brazil are the first decent side Belgium have faced, and they were very lucky to get past Japan etc etc You can write a negative, misery guts version of history for every World Cup winner since time began if you choose to. That's where we excel in this country- choosing to be miserable, to belittle our own achievements and to put a downer on everything related to the national team. Whatever that Dutch team were perceived to be prior to 1990, and indeed post 1990, they were not one of the best teams in the world at that world cup. England did play really well that game, but that dutch team failed to beat Ireland or Egypt, qualified 3rd out of 4 "lucky loser" places then were dispatched by Germany, played 4, won 0, drew 3, lost 1, scored 3 conceded 4. You can look at the Germany team and say they're one of the best teams in the world on paper, but on grass, they were shit. Maybe, as most of that Dutch team did, they'll come back to do ok at the next Euro's with most of that squad intact, but clearly the Dutch team of 1990 was missing something. They came back and did ok at Euro 92 having won 88. Bizarre really when you look at the first team. Not much really changes in terms of overall personnel. looking at the line ups in 1990 though, looks like they went 3-4-3 in the first game, 4-5-1 in the second, then 4-4-2 in the third. I think the big problem was that Gullit wasn’t really fit. Not sure if MVB wasn’t fully fit either? And they were the team’s best players.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 9, 2018 13:00:10 GMT
England have done great. End of.
The so called crap teams we've played have knocked out the teams we didn't want to have to face in the first place and england have dispatched them with relative ease.
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Post by Gods on Jul 9, 2018 13:20:43 GMT
So far we've beaten Tunisia with the last kick of the game, thumped hapless Panama, lost to Belgium, drawn with Columbia and beaten a very average Sweden team mostly made up of players plying their trade in the Championship and the German 2nd tier. Sure he's done well but it's a mite premature to declare him some great Svengali ! all true (although we beat Colombia, or did we 'draw' all those games where lots on penalties?) however in the past we have lost all those type of games despite having better players than we do now. We definitely drew the other games we lost on penalties , penalties are just a bit of fun to finish off with and have someone go through !
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Post by senojbor on Jul 9, 2018 14:21:30 GMT
I think we've had a fantastic world cup thus far. Southgate has been level headed and done a great job. Croatia are a good side but I'm expecting us to beat them. If that irritates people that's your problem.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Jul 9, 2018 15:02:18 GMT
While everyone is euphoric at the moment, like the guy previously weave played nobody yet and the draw has been our best player. While Southgate is a gent, he looks totally inflexible to me as a manager. Players like Dele and Linguard have been virtual passengers and he seems very reluctant to replace them. His subs are all negative(pulis like) and just invite the opposition on and put us under pressure. Great bloke but Im far from convinced about him as a manager I don't think it's a case of inflexibility from Southgate,more a case of him knowing what he wants to see from his team.He's come up with a system dedigned to get the best out of a group of players who may not be stellar talents in terms of ability but make up for it with their athleticism and pace etc. The biggest compliment I can pay the side is that we're starting to resemble a really good German team: not phenomenal individually,but collectively being better than the sum of its parts,and the Germans are the best 'scufflers' in World football. Lingard is a case in point,he may not possess the ability of a Giggs or Best in that lineage of flying wingers at Utd, but he has enough ability to be effective at Club and International level in the right system,he also,geneally,makes very good decisions when in possession.If Sterling had a little more of Lingard's decision making he'd be a hell of a player imho. Ali's form is the only underwhelming element hitherto for me,he's looked a shadow of the player that was tearing it up for Spurs for two seasons.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 9, 2018 17:05:22 GMT
His tactics have shown this approach too. I hate three at the back but my word he's made it work and he had to. All three of the CBs in that starting XI are average with maybe Maguire being able to go a bit further. Walker and Stones are both mistakes waiting to happen and Maguire is a good defender but missing some things that may hinder him to make that next step up. But all are good footballers and all have some attributes that they excel at. In a back 4 I think they'd horrendous together but in the back 3 they cover each other's deficiencies with their strengths. He's found a balance there that made what was the weakest area of the squad a strength. Stones and Maguire have been hugely impressive so far for me. In terms of maguire, he's been one of the best defenders in the tournament for me. Still young and inexperienced. What attribute is he lacking? He has moments of looking like a big lump but hasn't this World Cup. But he's easily the best for me.
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Post by fazza90 on Jul 9, 2018 18:19:26 GMT
England have done great. End of. The so called crap teams we've played have knocked out the teams we didn't want to have to face in the first place and england have dispatched them with relative ease. This. People saying we've had an easy ride - we've made it look easy. We beat Sweden in the quarters and to get there they had to get through a group of France and Holland in qualifying, then beat Italy and finished above Germany.
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 9, 2018 23:19:06 GMT
His tactics have shown this approach too. I hate three at the back but my word he's made it work and he had to. All three of the CBs in that starting XI are average with maybe Maguire being able to go a bit further. Walker and Stones are both mistakes waiting to happen and Maguire is a good defender but missing some things that may hinder him to make that next step up. But all are good footballers and all have some attributes that they excel at. In a back 4 I think they'd horrendous together but in the back 3 they cover each other's deficiencies with their strengths. He's found a balance there that made what was the weakest area of the squad a strength. Stones and Maguire have been hugely impressive so far for me. In terms of maguire, he's been one of the best defenders in the tournament for me. Still young and inexperienced. What attribute is he lacking? Pace. But I agree he’s been a colossus.
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Post by kustokie on Jul 10, 2018 1:15:25 GMT
So far we've beaten Tunisia with the last kick of the game, thumped hapless Panama, lost to Belgium, drawn with Columbia and beaten a very average Sweden team mostly made up of players plying their trade in the Championship and the German 2nd tier. Sure he's done well but it's a mite premature to declare him some great Svengali ! Oh dear! Some people are never satisfied! Only two years ago we were eliminated from the Euros by a bunch of fisherman with a dentist for a coach. Surely that means something. England has surpassed everyone’s expectations and given us cause for optimism for the future.
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