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Post by scfcno1fan on Jul 16, 2018 8:49:57 GMT
Think this may be where the potential of playing for Lampard outweighs Rowett.
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Post by chell_rosey on Jul 16, 2018 8:52:33 GMT
Think this may be where the potential of playing for Lampard outweighs Rowett. It may purely be the knowledge that there’ll be guaranteed game time as Lampards squad is quite thin.
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Post by realstokebloke on Jul 16, 2018 8:53:45 GMT
The dong is about to come out. Sounds like Derby were offering more initially? Very strange. "More" could be money or guaranteed game time I guess.
Can't believe that there will be a massive difference in any loan fee in the grand scheme of things to swing it either way (are the dippers that strapped for cash)?
Game time wherever he goes must be key.
And, personally, if his game time is being downplayed by us now because we might get that Irish twonk, I despair.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 16, 2018 8:55:06 GMT
If we sign Ritchie and keep Choupo, with Afobe up top, where would Wilson fit in if he's to play a minimum number of games?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 16, 2018 8:57:55 GMT
The dong is about to come out. Sounds like Derby were offering more initially? Very strange. "More" could be money or guaranteed game time I guess.
Can't believe that there will be a massive difference in any loan fee in the grand scheme of things to swing it either way (are the dippers that strapped for cash)?
Game time wherever he goes must be key.
And, personally, if his game time is being downplayed by us now because we might get that Irish twonk, I despair. Yeah - surely game time is the only consideration from Liverpool's point of view. And if we're intending to bring in 2 senior, late 20s international wingers who'll be expecting to start every week, can't see how we can compete with what Derby can offer, especially with the Lampard pull from the player's point of view.
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Jul 16, 2018 9:00:16 GMT
The cards should have been layed on the table to Rowett last week:
Agreed terms with Ritchie in principle but reliant on Newcastle getting a replacement. It could go on to the last minute and could potentially fall through if part of the chain collapses.
Wilson wants regular first team football next season which he wouldn’t get if we sign Ritchie but he’s available and ready to sign in time for Germany, Lot of clubs want him so can’t piss around.
It’s then down to Rowett to choose isn’t it.
Can’t see us getting him now either way after we’ve allowed Lamoard to sell it to him.
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Post by Gods on Jul 16, 2018 9:01:21 GMT
Does anyone really offer 'minimum game time'?
It limits the manager's tactical options and ability to respond to player form but apart from that I'm not sure how it would work administratively anyway, would it be contractual or simply a statement of intent?
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Post by cousindupree on Jul 16, 2018 9:01:45 GMT
Mcclean or Wilson? GR has got this one completely wrong. I continue to be baffled why the manager has such a hard on for a bang average player like McClean.
We need midfielders who will chip in goals as other than Afobe there is hardly a goal in the current side... Wilson 7 in 13 for Hull v Mclean 4 in 99 for WBA. We need more than just workhorses in the team.
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Post by cousindupree on Jul 16, 2018 9:04:59 GMT
Does anyone really offer 'minimum game time'? It limits the manager's tactical options and ability to respond to player form but apart from that I'm not sure how it would work administratively anyway, would it be contractual or simply a statement of intent? This 'guaranteed' game time is complete nonsense. I can't believe any manager would agree to it and limit his tactical flexibility and I am sure it's just an empty promise...easy to do really.
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Post by chell_rosey on Jul 16, 2018 9:06:54 GMT
Does anyone really offer 'minimum game time'? It limits the manager's tactical options and ability to respond to player form but apart from that I'm not sure how it would work administratively anyway, would it be contractual or simply a statement of intent? This 'guaranteed' game time is complete nonsense. I can't believe any manager would agree to it and limit his tactical flexibility and I am sure it's just an empty promise...easy to do really. I think it’s generally done on number of starts.
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Post by Uttoxstokie on Jul 16, 2018 9:09:52 GMT
Why wouldn’t he start!?? Did well in a very poor hull team last season, unless Richie plays on the same flank?
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Post by nutterpotter on Jul 16, 2018 9:11:14 GMT
Alan Nixon @reluctantnicko Stoke have been in for some time. Only Derby have permission to close the deal.
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Jul 16, 2018 9:11:36 GMT
Does anyone really offer 'minimum game time'? It limits the manager's tactical options and ability to respond to player form but apart from that I'm not sure how it would work administratively anyway, would it be contractual or simply a statement of intent? But Liverpool and Wilson aren’t daft are they? Derby come in and say he’s their number one target and plan on using him as first choice winger, form permitting. We say we see him as a rotational squad player. I’m sure they would ask the question, am I/is he likely to be first choice. What happens when he sees us pay 15m for an experienced premier league winger when we’ve told him he’s going to be a regular? You’ve got to be honest and it’s whats against us in this particular one. That is unless we call time on the Ritchie pursuit and assure Wilson he will be starting in the first 11 and it’s his position to lose. Administratively Liverpool fine us if he doesn’t start a set number of games. Probably as was with Zouma last season.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 16, 2018 9:18:30 GMT
I'm not even including McClean in the mix. If we signed Wilson, what would we do with Choupo?
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Post by cousindupree on Jul 16, 2018 9:19:56 GMT
Does anyone really offer 'minimum game time'? It limits the manager's tactical options and ability to respond to player form but apart from that I'm not sure how it would work administratively anyway, would it be contractual or simply a statement of intent? But Liverpool and Wilson aren’t daft are they? Derby come in and say he’s their number one target and plan on using him as first choice winger, form permitting. We say we see him as a rotational squad player. I’m sure they would ask the question, am I/is he likely to be first choice. What happens when he sees us pay 15m for an experienced premier league winger when we’ve told him he’s going to be a regular? You’ve got to be honest and it’s whats against us in this particular one. That is unless we call time on the Ritchie pursuit and assure Wilson he will be starting in the first 11 and it’s his position to lose. Administratively Liverpool fine us if he doesn’t start a set number of games. Probably as was with Zouma last season. Why have you got to be honest in football?....Just a question.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 16, 2018 9:21:34 GMT
Why wouldn’t he start!?? Did well in a very poor hull team last season, unless Richie plays on the same flank? If we sign Richie and McClean he might not start. If Rowett plans to use Bojan wide he might not start.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 16, 2018 9:22:22 GMT
Does anyone really offer 'minimum game time'? It limits the manager's tactical options and ability to respond to player form but apart from that I'm not sure how it would work administratively anyway, would it be contractual or simply a statement of intent? Wigan had to pay us money every time Big Jakob didn’t play. It essentially helped to relegate them!
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Jul 16, 2018 9:22:24 GMT
But Liverpool and Wilson aren’t daft are they? Derby come in and say he’s their number one target and plan on using him as first choice winger, form permitting. We say we see him as a rotational squad player. I’m sure they would ask the question, am I/is he likely to be first choice. What happens when he sees us pay 15m for an experienced premier league winger when we’ve told him he’s going to be a regular? You’ve got to be honest and it’s whats against us in this particular one. That is unless we call time on the Ritchie pursuit and assure Wilson he will be starting in the first 11 and it’s his position to lose. Administratively Liverpool fine us if he doesn’t start a set number of games. Probably as was with Zouma last season. Why have you got to be honest in football?....Just a question. It’s self explanatory in the post. Wilson and Liverpool would be pissed off if we sold him a lie and ultimately it would just back fire on us including financial implications.
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Post by ProctorDre on Jul 16, 2018 9:22:44 GMT
Not so sure why people think Ritchie is so important to this happening or not. If we got them both they could both start. Wilson very capable of playing on the left.
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Post by Uttoxstokie on Jul 16, 2018 9:26:56 GMT
Why wouldn’t he start!?? Did well in a very poor hull team last season, unless Richie plays on the same flank? If we sign Richie and McClean he might not start. If Rowett plans to use Bojan wide he might not start. 4-2-3-1 Bojan the number nine playing off Afobe. Rowett will want two goalscoring midfielders in Richie and Wilson out wide and they are exactly what we need. Not McLean and choupo😩
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 16, 2018 9:28:31 GMT
Not so sure why people think Ritchie is so important to this happening or not. If we got them both they could both start. Wilson very capable of playing on the left. Where we'll probably have McClean and Choupo in the mix though. And Rowett is hinting that if he stays, that's where Bojan will be fighting for games too.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 16, 2018 9:28:48 GMT
If we sign Richie and McClean he might not start. If Rowett plans to use Bojan wide he might not start. 4-2-3-1 Bojan the number nine playing off Afobe. Rowett will want two goalscoring midfielders in Richie and Wilson out wide and they are exactly what we need. Not McLean and choupo😩 That wasn’t how we set up at Walsall though. Not until the 70th minute anyway.
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Post by ProctorDre on Jul 16, 2018 9:44:10 GMT
Not so sure why people think Ritchie is so important to this happening or not. If we got them both they could both start. Wilson very capable of playing on the left. Where we'll probably have McClean and Choupo in the mix though. And Rowett is hinting that if he stays, that's where Bojan will be fighting for games too. Where has Rowett hinted that about Bojan? (Not picking an argument btw genuine question!) I love Boj but don't think he's very good at all out wide.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 16, 2018 9:44:54 GMT
Where we'll probably have McClean and Choupo in the mix though. And Rowett is hinting that if he stays, that's where Bojan will be fighting for games too. Where has Rowett hinted that about Bojan? (Not picking an argument btw genuine question!) I love Boj but don't think he's very good at all out wide. He played wide right at Walsall.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 16, 2018 9:47:07 GMT
Where we'll probably have McClean and Choupo in the mix though. And Rowett is hinting that if he stays, that's where Bojan will be fighting for games too. Where has Rowett hinted that about Bojan? (Not picking an argument btw genuine question!) I love Boj but don't think he's very good at all out wide. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-bojan-gary-rowett-1787170“He’s not a natural wide player but in a 4-3-3 like we played at Walsall he can drift inside and cause problems, particularly with someone like Moritz Bauer bombing on and giving you natural width from full-back. It's still hard to know what formation we;re going to plump for though, isn't it? If we were to sign another front-line striker, things would probably change. Quite a lot seems to be up in the air until we see who comes in.
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Post by philb on Jul 16, 2018 9:49:32 GMT
Mcclean or Wilson? GR has got this one completely wrong. I continue to be baffled why the manager has such a hard on for a bang average player like McClean. We need midfielders who will chip in goals as other than Afobe there is hardly a goal in the current side... Wilson 7 in 13 for Hull v Mclean 4 in 99 for WBA. We need more than just workhorses in the team. With regards to McClean perhaps, just perhaps that’s why the McClean deal has stalled due to the fact that Wilson has become our number 1 target and we’re waiting to see if we can get him. If not we move onto McClean. Can’t quite see where you’re coming from with saying Rowett has a hard on for him.
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Post by werrington on Jul 16, 2018 9:50:24 GMT
Where has Rowett hinted that about Bojan? (Not picking an argument btw genuine question!) I love Boj but don't think he's very good at all out wide. He played wide right at Walsall. I read his interview as if Bojan wants to leave he can mate
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Post by philb on Jul 16, 2018 9:53:01 GMT
He played wide right at Walsall. I read his interview as if Bojan wants to leave he can mate To be fair you could say that about most of our squad in that if they don’t want to get on board with Rowetts philosophy then they might as well leave.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 9:54:16 GMT
Shouldn't the team and squad be starting to take it's final shape by now - yet with less than three weeks to go things are still very much up in the air regarding numerous positions.
I should imagine GR is getting more and more frustrated especially if he sees Wilson does indeed end up going to Derby.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 16, 2018 9:59:54 GMT
He played wide right at Walsall. I read his interview as if Bojan wants to leave he can mate That’s the impression I get as well Wez.
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