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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 8, 2018 9:21:47 GMT
No one's being bitter. Just what exactly brings you to that conclusion? Both average for their club side this season... Pickfords distribution on occasion is better than Butlands Butlands shot stopping on occasion is better than Pickfords Other than that there are much of a muchness Simple Pickford had a much better season than Butland. He’s the better goalkeeper. Think they’re both good though. Right answer.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jul 8, 2018 9:53:26 GMT
Pickford had a much better season than Butland. He’s the better goalkeeper. Think they’re both good though. Right answer. Opinion not fact.
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Post by andystokey on Jul 8, 2018 15:31:48 GMT
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 8, 2018 15:41:41 GMT
I think you’d have a hard time arguing Butland had a better season than Pickford.
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Post by werrington on Jul 8, 2018 15:46:15 GMT
The one good thing about all this is I’d have absolutely no issue with any of those 3 out there wearing the No1 jersey
That’s a fantastic situation for Southgate to deal with
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jul 8, 2018 16:05:55 GMT
I think you’d have a hard time arguing Butland had a better season than Pickford. Along with the vast majority of posters on here (and you too I suspect), I didn't see enough of Pickford to make an informed decision, but what little I did see and from what commentators said he clearly didn't have the best of seasons. The problem is we saw Jack warts and all and lets face it there were plenty of warts last term so it was easy to pick fault with his performances whilst Pickford got an easy ride (from most of us) because we didn't see his every little wobble and twitch. I just don't see how you can both state, in a way which makes it seem like fact, that 'Pickford had a much better season than Butland'. And in my opinion he is not the better goalkeeper, there's not much between them, and the consensus was Pickford was preferred because of his superior distribution, which is something I will concede. To be perfectly honest I think the Loony nailed it in his post.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 8, 2018 16:16:11 GMT
I think you’d have a hard time arguing Butland had a better season than Pickford. Along with the vast majority of posters on here (and you too I suspect), I didn't see enough of Pickford to make an informed decision, but what little I did see and from what commentators said he clearly didn't have the best of seasons. The problem is we saw Jack warts and all and lets face it there were plenty of warts last term so it was easy to pick fault with his performances whilst Pickford got an easy ride (from most of us) because we didn't see his every little wobble and twitch. I just don't see how you can both state, in a way which makes it seem like fact, that 'Pickford had a much better season than Butland'. And in my opinion he is not the better goalkeeper, there's not much between them, and the consensus was Pickford was preferred because of his superior distribution, which is something I will concede. To be perfectly honest I think the Loony nailed it in his post. Well let’s look at the difference shall we? Everton finished 8th and Pickford was voted their player of the season. Stoke finished 19th and Butland had by his standards a very disappointing season. That to me would suggest in fairly strong terms that one keeper had a pretty significantly stronger season than the other.
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Post by Billy the kid on Jul 8, 2018 16:29:39 GMT
I think pickford has had a great tournament, and if we are all being honest do we really believe Jack would have done any better? Would we really have come through the penalty shoot out?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jul 8, 2018 16:33:42 GMT
Along with the vast majority of posters on here (and you too I suspect), I didn't see enough of Pickford to make an informed decision, but what little I did see and from what commentators said he clearly didn't have the best of seasons. The problem is we saw Jack warts and all and lets face it there were plenty of warts last term so it was easy to pick fault with his performances whilst Pickford got an easy ride (from most of us) because we didn't see his every little wobble and twitch. I just don't see how you can both state, in a way which makes it seem like fact, that 'Pickford had a much better season than Butland'. And in my opinion he is not the better goalkeeper, there's not much between them, and the consensus was Pickford was preferred because of his superior distribution, which is something I will concede. To be perfectly honest I think the Loony nailed it in his post. Well let’s look at the difference shall we? Everton finished 8th and Pickford was voted their player of the season. Stoke finished 19th and Butland had by his standards a very disappointing season. That to me would suggest in fairly strong terms that one keeper had a pretty significantly stronger season than the other. That might simply be down to the fact that every other Everton player was shit. And he was also the player of the season at Sunderland the season before - and they were relegated. Plus Jack Butland made significantly more saves than Jordan Pickford. Ok I'm being a bit facetious. I'm not saying that Pickford probably did have a stronger season and I'm not saying he's a bad goalie. I'm just disputing that you and Hackett can state as an almost nailed on fact that Pickford had a much better season and is a better goalkeeper than Butland. That's all. My opinion is that Butland is a better all-round goalkeeper albeit Pickford appears to have justified his selection. The consolation is that at least I can watch the games without being on tenter hooks every time the ball goes near the keeper.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 8, 2018 16:36:20 GMT
Well let’s look at the difference shall we? Everton finished 8th and Pickford was voted their player of the season. Stoke finished 19th and Butland had by his standards a very disappointing season. That to me would suggest in fairly strong terms that one keeper had a pretty significantly stronger season than the other. That might simply be down to the fact that every other Everton player was shit. And he was also the player of the season at Sunderland the season before - and they were relegated. Plus Jack Butland made significantly more saves than Jordan Pickford. Ok I'm being a bit facetious. I'm not saying that Pickford probably did have a stronger season and I'm not saying he's a bad goalie. I'm just disputing that you and Hackett can state as an almost nailed on fact that Pickford had a much better season and is a better goalkeeper than Butland. That's all. My opinion is that Butland is a better all-round goalkeeper albeit Pickford appears to have justified his selection. The consolation is that at least I can watch the games without being on tenter hooks every time the ball goes near the keeper. I think they’re both good keepers but Everton, for all their season was a disappointing one for them, still managed to finish 8th and do have some good players. By all accounts he had a cracking season and they love him there. The stick he got on here previously was for the most part Stoke-tinted frustration that Jack wasn’t the England goalkeeper.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 8, 2018 16:46:33 GMT
Having watched Butland this whole season I feel it's fair to say he's nowhere near as good as Pickford. And I said this ages ago you can go back and read everything. I had a moment so I did, and it turns out you're fibbing. This is what you said: It's not going to jump up 20 mill for a keeper that is ** on par with** Pickford. I think he's ** just as good as** Butland. Regaring Pickford's transfer to Everton: at least that stamps Butlands price tag as about 85 million That's not "nowhere near as good" is it. And the one time you came close to saying Pickford was superior, you said he was "probably" a better option in the specific context of him going to Everton: Pickford is probably a better option? None of that is anything close to "far better," "nowhere near as good" etc etc as you're rather haughtily claiming in this thread. Are you serious. The comment about Butlands price tag is sarcasm as everyone was saying how much better he was than Pickford. I was literally taking the piss because everyone was branding out 50 million price tags for Butland....
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jul 8, 2018 17:01:11 GMT
That might simply be down to the fact that every other Everton player was shit. And he was also the player of the season at Sunderland the season before - and they were relegated. Plus Jack Butland made significantly more saves than Jordan Pickford. Ok I'm being a bit facetious. I'm not saying that Pickford probably did have a stronger season and I'm not saying he's a bad goalie. I'm just disputing that you and Hackett can state as an almost nailed on fact that Pickford had a much better season and is a better goalkeeper than Butland. That's all. My opinion is that Butland is a better all-round goalkeeper albeit Pickford appears to have justified his selection. The consolation is that at least I can watch the games without being on tenter hooks every time the ball goes near the keeper. I think they’re both good keepers but Everton, for all their season was a disappointing one for them, still managed to finish 8th and do have some good players. By all accounts he had a cracking season and they love him there. The stick he got on here previously was for the most part Stoke-tinted frustration that Jack wasn’t the England goalkeeper. I'm sure you're right and despite trying not to I suspect there's a little bit of red and white goggles creeping in if only sub-consciously. We'll have to beg to differ on our opinions though. I'm sure you'll remind me if Pickford does turn out to be 'much' better. Oh mind you're not rickyfuller are you
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Post by bathstoke on Jul 8, 2018 17:22:52 GMT
Having watched Butland this whole season I feel it's fair to say he's nowhere near as good as Pickford. And I said this ages ago you can go back and read everything. I had a moment so I did, and it turns out you're fibbing. This is what you said: It's not going to jump up 20 mill for a keeper that is ** on par with** Pickford. I think he's ** just as good as** Butland. Regaring Pickford's transfer to Everton: at least that stamps Butlands price tag as about 85 million That's not "nowhere near as good" is it. And the one time you came close to saying Pickford was superior, you said he was "probably" a better option in the specific context of him going to Everton: Pickford is probably a better option? None of that is anything close to "far better," "nowhere near as good" etc etc as you're rather haughtily claiming in this thread. Love a bit of investigative journalism meXx
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 8, 2018 20:23:49 GMT
Are you serious. The comment about Butlands price tag is sarcasm as everyone was saying how much better he was than Pickford. I was literally taking the piss because everyone was branding out 50 million price tags for Butland.... And the other comments? You after a couple of good games from Pickford: I feel it's fair to say Butland is nowhere near as good as Pickford. And I said this ages ago You ages ago: Butland is on par with Pickford. I think Pickford is just as good as Butland.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 8, 2018 20:57:00 GMT
Are you serious. The comment about Butlands price tag is sarcasm as everyone was saying how much better he was than Pickford. I was literally taking the piss because everyone was branding out 50 million price tags for Butland.... And the other comments? You after a couple of good games from Pickford: I feel it's fair to say Butland is nowhere near as good as Pickford. And I said this ages ago You ages ago: Butland is on par with Pickford. I think Pickford is just as good as Butland. There is another thread where I said Pickford is a much better goalkeeper, but you didn't post them.
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Post by Absolution on Jul 8, 2018 20:58:42 GMT
Are you serious. The comment about Butlands price tag is sarcasm as everyone was saying how much better he was than Pickford. I was literally taking the piss because everyone was branding out 50 million price tags for Butland.... And the other comments? You after a couple of good games from Pickford: I feel it's fair to say Butland is nowhere near as good as Pickford. And I said this ages ago You ages ago: Butland is on par with Pickford. I think Pickford is just as good as Butland. Pisser. Great work.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 8, 2018 21:08:50 GMT
And the other comments? You after a couple of good games from Pickford: You ages ago: Pisser. Great work. Yeah, except it's all out of context.
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 8, 2018 21:13:15 GMT
There is another thread where I said Pickford is a much better goalkeeper, but you didn't post them. I posted everything I found that was relevant, feel free to link to something I’ve missed
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 21:13:26 GMT
Are you serious. The comment about Butlands price tag is sarcasm as everyone was saying how much better he was than Pickford. I was literally taking the piss because everyone was branding out 50 million price tags for Butland.... And the other comments? You after a couple of good games from Pickford: I feel it's fair to say Butland is nowhere near as good as Pickford. And I said this ages ago You ages ago: Butland is on par with Pickford. I think Pickford is just as good as Butland. Brilliant.
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Post by Absolution on Jul 8, 2018 21:16:25 GMT
Yeah, except it's all out of context. You kept urging people to look back for the posts.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jul 8, 2018 21:18:05 GMT
And the other comments? You after a couple of good games from Pickford: You ages ago: There is another thread where I said Pickford is a much better goalkeeper, but you didn't post them. So on one thread you say Pickford is on a par with Butland and then on another you say he's much better. Which is it? Surely a footballing sage such as yourself couldn't have got it so badly wrong?
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 8, 2018 22:28:55 GMT
Yeah, except it's all out of context. You kept urging people to look back for the posts. So go read it and not nitpicked comments where I've been sarcastic. I said Pickford is better than Butland many times. That's why everyone gets all pissy at me because I spoke honestly about Butland for ages.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 8, 2018 22:30:10 GMT
There is another thread where I said Pickford is a much better goalkeeper, but you didn't post them. So on one thread you say Pickford is on a par with Butland and then on another you say he's much better. Which is it? Surely a footballing sage such as yourself couldn't have got it so badly wrong? Well I reworded what I said after a while because of how much abuse I got. I said he is just as good as Butland because I said Pickford was better initially. And I couldn't be bothered with all the drama so I said well he's just as good as him then. And the comment about Butlands price was pure sarcasm.
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Post by Absolution on Jul 8, 2018 23:02:24 GMT
You kept urging people to look back for the posts. So go read it and not nitpicked comments where I've been sarcastic. I said Pickford is better than Butland many times. That's why everyone gets all pissy at me because I spoke honestly about Butland for ages. I’ve read it. PotterLog’s posted the comments so I don’t have to go looking. Only one of the comments looks sarcastic to me. The rest look like you’ve been caught out trying to look clever and failing.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 8, 2018 23:42:58 GMT
So go read it and not nitpicked comments where I've been sarcastic. I said Pickford is better than Butland many times. That's why everyone gets all pissy at me because I spoke honestly about Butland for ages. I’ve read it. PotterLog’s posted the comments so I don’t have to go looking. Only one of the comments looks sarcastic to me. The rest look like you’ve been caught out trying to look clever and failing. I could pick multiple comments from a lot of posts and it doesn't mean anything. I know what I said and so do the people that told me Butland is much better and if Pickford is worth 20 million then Butland is worth 50 million plus. I initially said Pickford is better and then I changed it to "well he's just as good as Butland" because of how many people hounded me for it. Pickford is better and he justified his price tag whereas Butland has done nothing to justify the ludicrous prices people were throwing around. Which was the main topic of conversation.
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Post by Absolution on Jul 8, 2018 23:52:37 GMT
I’ve read it. PotterLog’s posted the comments so I don’t have to go looking. Only one of the comments looks sarcastic to me. The rest look like you’ve been caught out trying to look clever and failing. I could pick multiple comments from a lot of posts and it doesn't mean anything. I know what I said and so do the people that told me Butland is much better and if Pickford is worth 20 million then Butland is worth 50 million plus. I initially said Pickford is better and then I changed it to "well he's just as good as Butland" because of how many people hounded me for it. Pickford is better and he justified his price tag whereas Butland has done nothing to justify the ludicrous prices people were throwing around. Which was the main topic of conversation. So why ask us to look at your previous posts then? You’re all over the shop.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 9, 2018 0:45:14 GMT
I could pick multiple comments from a lot of posts and it doesn't mean anything. I know what I said and so do the people that told me Butland is much better and if Pickford is worth 20 million then Butland is worth 50 million plus. I initially said Pickford is better and then I changed it to "well he's just as good as Butland" because of how many people hounded me for it. Pickford is better and he justified his price tag whereas Butland has done nothing to justify the ludicrous prices people were throwing around. Which was the main topic of conversation. So why ask us to look at your previous posts then? You’re all over the shop. Because that's not all of it. It's just a few quotes taken out of context which is what I've already said.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jul 9, 2018 6:44:09 GMT
I’ve read it. PotterLog’s posted the comments so I don’t have to go looking. Only one of the comments looks sarcastic to me. The rest look like you’ve been caught out trying to look clever and failing. I could pick multiple comments from a lot of posts and it doesn't mean anything. I know what I said and so do the people that told me Butland is much better and if Pickford is worth 20 million then Butland is worth 50 million plus. I initially said Pickford is better and then I changed it to "well he's just as good as Butland" because of how many people hounded me for it. Pickford is better and he justified his price tag whereas Butland has done nothing to justify the ludicrous prices people were throwing around. Which was the main topic of conversation. You've said many times on here you don't care what people think about you. Now apparently you care enough to change a very fundamental opinion. Which is it?
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Post by dg19531 on Jul 9, 2018 8:53:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 10:13:11 GMT
I could pick multiple comments from a lot of posts and it doesn't mean anything. I know what I said and so do the people that told me Butland is much better and if Pickford is worth 20 million then Butland is worth 50 million plus. I initially said Pickford is better and then I changed it to "well he's just as good as Butland" because of how many people hounded me for it. Pickford is better and he justified his price tag whereas Butland has done nothing to justify the ludicrous prices people were throwing around. Which was the main topic of conversation. You've said many times on here you don't care what people think about you. Now apparently you care enough to change a very fundamental opinion. Which is it? It's almost like he just makes shit up as he goes along isn't it? This board should never ever be taken seriously but when you get someone who thinks they're some kind of footballing guru with a massive bag of McCain's on their shoulder, it's good to watch them tie themselves in knots.....
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