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Post by sufolkstokie on Jul 2, 2018 16:44:46 GMT
Stayed off the board and pretty much anything SCFC post the relegation. Partly because of what has been done to death re the needless relegation and partly because …..
So here we are and not really impressed at all. Two good signings = fair enough
However the overhaul of our squad remains remarkably stale
Linking with inferior keepers to Grant does concern re direction
Glad to have Rory back for sure even if we have no clue re his capabilities as part of de management
I heed Mr Shawcross comments re the need for new blood pre start of the season and yet we appear to be carrying a lot of lads who got us relegated - lets not loose sight of that. And we have returning misfits who some on here believe/hope can turn their careers around when it is proven after loans they simply can not
Window not closed of course, but there are less tha 30 days to go, but not enough change to date, reeking of lots of platitudes and an acceptance of the disaster they just watched unfold last season
Fair dues by the way to the Chairman for not making any redundancies - excellent stuff on that point (except the ceo)
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Post by nott1 on Jul 2, 2018 16:49:30 GMT
Stayed off the board and pretty much anything SCFC post the relegation. Partly because of what has been done to death re the needless relegation and partly because ….. So here we are and not really impressed at all. Two good signings = fair enough However the overhaul of our squad remains remarkably stale Linking with inferior keepers to Grant does concern re direction Glad to have Rory back for sure even if we have no clue re his capabilities as part of de management I heed Mr Shawcross comments re the need for new blood pre start of the season and yet we appear to be carrying a lot of lads who got us relegated - lets not loose sight of that. And we have returning misfits who some on here believe/hope can turn their careers around when it is proven after loans they simply can not Window not closed of course, but there are less tha 30 days to go, but not enough change to date, reeking of lots of platitudes and an acceptance of the disaster they just watched unfold last season Fair dues by the way to the Chairman for not making any redundancies - excellent stuff on that point (except the ceo) Welcome back........but it's lose not loose!  |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jul 2, 2018 16:53:08 GMT
Stayed off the board and pretty much anything SCFC post the relegation. Partly because of what has been done to death re the needless relegation and partly because ….. So here we are and not really impressed at all. Two good signings = fair enough However the overhaul of our squad remains remarkably stale Linking with inferior keepers to Grant does concern re direction Glad to have Rory back for sure even if we have no clue re his capabilities as part of de management I heed Mr Shawcross comments re the need for new blood pre start of the season and yet we appear to be carrying a lot of lads who got us relegated - lets not loose sight of that. And we have returning misfits who some on here believe/hope can turn their careers around when it is proven after loans they simply can not Window not closed of course, but there are less tha 30 days to go, but not enough change to date, reeking of lots of platitudes and an acceptance of the disaster they just watched unfold last season Fair dues by the way to the Chairman for not making any redundancies - excellent stuff on that point (except the ceo) Welcome back........but it's lose not loose! Indeed Now I will log off til Leeds :-) |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 2, 2018 16:53:45 GMT
Think that's a touch harsh.
If we retain Butland, Bauer, Pieters, Shawcross, BMI and Allen, the scale of rebuild we envisaged in a worst case scenario isn't really necessary, is it?
I think, all things considered, we're in a perfectly fine position with Etebo and Afobe brought in at this stage.
Still 6 weeks left to get the 2-3 other significant additions we need.
Can see us getting a couple of wingers, another striker and a centre-half at the very least.
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Post by nott1 on Jul 2, 2018 16:57:11 GMT
Welcome back........but it's lose not loose! Indeed Now I will log off til Leeds :-) You might miss a "rock the city"! |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jul 2, 2018 16:58:25 GMT
Think that's a touch harsh. If we retain Butland, Bauer, Pieters, Shawcross, BMI and Allen, the scale of rebuild we envisaged in a worst case scenario isn't really necessary, is it? I think, all things considered, we're in a perfectly fine position with Etebo and Afobe brought in at this stage. Still 6 weeks left to get the 2-3 other significant additions we need. Can see us getting a couple of wingers, another striker and a centre-half at the very least. I hope so and maybe one was expecting too much But we still seem to be carrying a lot of timber, which granted is hard to shift. I just don't see Fletcher, Adam and even Crouch adding much but we are where we are Wingers remain key concern and goalkeepers all of a sudden |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jul 2, 2018 17:00:25 GMT
Indeed Now I will log off til Leeds :-) You might miss a "rock the city"! In your dreams |
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 2, 2018 17:03:34 GMT
If the media are to be believed (!) we have made offers and made enquiries, but if clubs want more than we are prepared to offer and if clubs don't want to do a deal till they have a replacement in place then there is little that can be done, unless you want the club to be a complete spendthrift, which they clearly were over Berahino, Imbula, and Wimmer.
The latter condition above, naturally leads to a buying chain, waiting for someone who hasn't got an asset to sell to start the dominoes falling.
I think the club have done brilliantly well with the 2 signings made and have made some elbow room with the releases. It would be nice to shift more of the dead wood and to be clear over the future of the major assets, particularly Butland. It would be a great shame and worry, if CL club came for Butland at the last minute and we were left without a top class GK. If Butland has any feelings for or loyalty to the club, he should agree to stay if an acceptable offer is not received by a specific date ahead of the deadline.
At the moment the squad for next season is looking remarkably similar to last seasons. We are not getting significant offers for our players it would seem. Personally, provided we get in another striker (who actually scores goals) and a couple of genuine wingers, I wouldn't be too upset with that as I think the new coaching regime will improve our defending.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 17:11:57 GMT
Surely by holding onto so many important players we can't expect the same incomings we were previously.
Phenomenally negative take on things, I'm super optimistic. Etebo would've excited me in the Premier League he will destroy the Championship so long as he stays fit, I have no doubt.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Jul 2, 2018 17:20:55 GMT
Signed Etebo (looks an absolute beast)
Signed Afobe (proven goalscorer at this level)
Signed Allen to a new contract (unbelievable bit of business which nobody saw coming)
News that the likes of Bauer, Indi and Peters are likely to stay (in addition to Ryan)
The sum of all those parts? Moan, Moan, moan.
Jesus wept.
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Post by enuntio on Jul 2, 2018 17:25:15 GMT
Could the world cup be a reason for a lack of transfer activity?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 17:53:08 GMT
Signed Etebo (looks an absolute beast) Signed Afobe (proven goalscorer at this level) Signed Allen to a new contract (unbelievable bit of business which nobody saw coming) News that the likes of Bauer, Indi and Peters are likely to stay (in addition to Ryan) The sum of all those parts? Moan, Moan, moan. Jesus wept. So we've kept ALL the worst defence in our history and you think that's good...  Etebo looks ok as does Afobe only Bauer and Allen deserved to keep their jobs from the rest. Now he's after keeping Butland. Why not just keep them all and pretend we were just unlucky and it was all Hughes fault. The rose tinted glasses on here have become Stevie Wonder specials. |
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Post by lordb on Jul 2, 2018 17:58:55 GMT
Signed Etebo (looks an absolute beast) Signed Afobe (proven goalscorer at this level) Signed Allen to a new contract (unbelievable bit of business which nobody saw coming) News that the likes of Bauer, Indi and Peters are likely to stay (in addition to Ryan) The sum of all those parts? Moan, Moan, moan. Jesus wept. So we've kept ALL the worst defence in our history and you think that's good... Etebo looks ok as does Afobe only Bauer and Allen deserved to keep their jobs from the rest. Now he's after keeping Butland. Why not just keep them all and pretend we were just unlucky and it was all Hughes fault. The rose tinted glasses on here have become Stevie Wonder specials. Whittle,Tweed and Dyson lining up in August are they? |
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 2, 2018 18:00:29 GMT
Look at me! Look at me!
Can't you stay off for longer?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 18:03:11 GMT
So we've kept ALL the worst defence in our history and you think that's good... Etebo looks ok as does Afobe only Bauer and Allen deserved to keep their jobs from the rest. Now he's after keeping Butland. Why not just keep them all and pretend we were just unlucky and it was all Hughes fault. The rose tinted glasses on here have become Stevie Wonder specials. Whittle,Tweed and Dyson lining up in August are they? Dyson would clean up amongst that lot  |
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Post by Northy on Jul 2, 2018 19:30:30 GMT
Stayed off the board and pretty much anything SCFC post the relegation. Partly because of what has been done to death re the needless relegation and partly because ….. So here we are and not really impressed at all. Two good signings = fair enough However the overhaul of our squad remains remarkably stale Linking with inferior keepers to Grant does concern re direction Glad to have Rory back for sure even if we have no clue re his capabilities as part of de management I heed Mr Shawcross comments re the need for new blood pre start of the season and yet we appear to be carrying a lot of lads who got us relegated - lets not loose sight of that. And we have returning misfits who some on here believe/hope can turn their careers around when it is proven after loans they simply can not Window not closed of course, but there are less tha 30 days to go, but not enough change to date, reeking of lots of platitudes and an acceptance of the disaster they just watched unfold last season Fair dues by the way to the Chairman for not making any redundancies - excellent stuff on that point (except the ceo) Less than 30 days to go of what? |
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Post by Northy on Jul 2, 2018 19:32:16 GMT
Signed Etebo (looks an absolute beast) Signed Afobe (proven goalscorer at this level) Signed Allen to a new contract (unbelievable bit of business which nobody saw coming) News that the likes of Bauer, Indi and Peters are likely to stay (in addition to Ryan) The sum of all those parts? Moan, Moan, moan. Jesus wept. So we've kept ALL the worst defence in our history and you think that's good... Etebo looks ok as does Afobe only Bauer and Allen deserved to keep their jobs from the rest. Now he's after keeping Butland. Why not just keep them all and pretend we were just unlucky and it was all Hughes fault. The rose tinted glasses on here have become Stevie Wonder specials. The defence was a lot better once Hughes had been fooled off. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 2, 2018 21:00:36 GMT
So we've kept ALL the worst defence in our history and you think that's good... Etebo looks ok as does Afobe only Bauer and Allen deserved to keep their jobs from the rest. Now he's after keeping Butland. Why not just keep them all and pretend we were just unlucky and it was all Hughes fault. The rose tinted glasses on here have become Stevie Wonder specials. The defence was a lot better once Hughes had been fooled off. Agreed. Whatever our deficiencies under Lambert, our defence was not amongst them. The OP seems to regret that Shawcross, BMI, Pieters and (possibly) Butland could still be in the defensive squad for the season - I'm delighted that they could still be with us. We need some new defensive blood, certainly, and the wages released by the departures of Wimmer and Zouma means we should be able to add to the squad without too much trouble. As mentioned above, the World Cup will certainly have delayed many moves (in and out) - it always does - why should this summer be any different? I think it is probably best that the OP stays off the board until the season kicks off - with his manic depressive tendencies it will be better for his mental health if he does. Leave the worrying to those who have the stomach for it. He could use the free time to polish up his spelling - he shouldn't really be in the 43% of Stokies who have no idea how to spell the word lose. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 2, 2018 21:15:17 GMT
Signed Etebo (looks an absolute beast) Signed Afobe (proven goalscorer at this level) Signed Allen to a new contract (unbelievable bit of business which nobody saw coming) News that the likes of Bauer, Indi and Peters are likely to stay (in addition to Ryan) The sum of all those parts? Moan, Moan, moan. Jesus wept. So we've kept ALL the worst defence in our history and you think that's good... Etebo looks ok as does Afobe only Bauer and Allen deserved to keep their jobs from the rest. Now he's after keeping Butland. Why not just keep them all and pretend we were just unlucky and it was all Hughes fault. The rose tinted glasses on here have become Stevie Wonder specials. Bit of an overreaction? First of all, worst defence in our history? That defence with Jason Kavanagh, Steve Woods and Bryan Small was preferable to this one was it? How about the one with Pickering, Tweed and Nyamah in it? To put things in perspective, we could've been looking at a situation where we'd kept Lambert, lost all our star players and not made moves to bring anyone in. Instead we've got one of our key men unexpectedly signing a new deal and other big players who may stay; Etebo looks better than ok, he had an excellent world cup and on those showings looks as if he'll be a cut above the Championship. Afobe is rapid and scores goals at this level, which is exactly what we need. Ritchie if he comes will be another top end Championship signing. We still need plenty of work and it could well go tits up, but we're showing all the signs so far of being serious about a promotion push and I don't see why, given how bad things could be and have been in the past, anyone would have such a massive downer on things at the moment? |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 2, 2018 21:22:56 GMT
Signed Etebo (looks an absolute beast) Signed Afobe (proven goalscorer at this level) Signed Allen to a new contract (unbelievable bit of business which nobody saw coming) News that the likes of Bauer, Indi and Peters are likely to stay (in addition to Ryan) The sum of all those parts? Moan, Moan, moan. Jesus wept. So we've kept ALL the worst defence in our history and you think that's good... Etebo looks ok as does Afobe only Bauer and Allen deserved to keep their jobs from the rest. Now he's after keeping Butland. Why not just keep them all and pretend we were just unlucky and it was all Hughes fault. The rose tinted glasses on here have become Stevie Wonder specials. Bring back Paul Williams as a player I say, would sort it rate out  |
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Post by WhyDelilah on Jul 2, 2018 21:24:45 GMT
So we've kept ALL the worst defence in our history and you think that's good... Etebo looks ok as does Afobe only Bauer and Allen deserved to keep their jobs from the rest. Now he's after keeping Butland. Why not just keep them all and pretend we were just unlucky and it was all Hughes fault. The rose tinted glasses on here have become Stevie Wonder specials. Bit of an overreaction? First of all, worst defence in our history? That defence with Jason Kavanagh, Steve Woods and Bryan Small was preferable to this one was it? How about the one with Pickering, Tweed and Nyamah in it? To put things in perspective, we could've been looking at a situation where we'd kept Lambert, lost all our star players and not made moves to bring anyone in. Instead we've got one of our key men unexpectedly signing a new deal and other big players who may stay; Etebo looks better than ok, he had an excellent world cup and on those showings looks as if he'll be a cut above the Championship. Afobe is rapid and scores goals at this level, which is exactly what we need. Ritchie if he comes will be another top end Championship signing. We still need plenty of work and it could well go tits up, but we're showing all the signs so far of being serious about a promotion push and I don't see why, given how bad things could be and have been in the past, anyone would have such a massive downer on things at the moment? What the chief said. |
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 2, 2018 21:24:58 GMT
The defence was a lot better once Hughes had been fooled off. Agreed. Whatever our deficiencies under Lambert, our defence was not amongst them. The OP seems to regret that Shawcross, BMI, Pieters and (possibly) Butland could still be in the defensive squad for the season - I'm delighted that they could still be with us. We need some new defensive blood, certainly, and the wages released by the departures of Wimmer and Zouma means we should be able to add to the squad without too much trouble. As mentioned above, the World Cup will certainly have delayed many moves (in and out) - it always does - why should this summer be any different? I think it is probably best that the OP stays off the board until the season kicks off - with his manic depressive tendencies it will be better for his mental health if he does. Leave the worrying to those who have the stomach for it. He could use the free time to polish up his spelling - he shouldn't really be in the 43% of Stokies who have no idea how to spell the word lose. Starting a sentence with And is unforgivable ☹️ |
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 2, 2018 21:30:51 GMT
We had a team more than capable of staying in the PL - they were mismanaged by a bloke who had lost the plot and another bloke who hadn't a clue what he was doing. None of those players have left and now we have the best manager this side of the A50. We'll piss the Championship  |
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Post by lordb on Jul 2, 2018 21:34:35 GMT
We had a team more than capable of staying in the PL - they were mismanaged by a bloke who had lost the plot and another bloke who hadn't a clue what he was doing. None of those players have left and now we have the best manager this side of the A50. We'll piss the Championship Wimmer, Zouma,Jese, Johnson, Ireland, Ramadan have left. Shaqiri,Grant and Badou will leave. Butland? After that not sure who will go. |
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Post by tony1234 on Jul 2, 2018 21:38:42 GMT
We are short of a good, wide man (which appears to be Ritchie) and CAM/second striker, but will then we have a serviceable first XI.
Great GK
Back 4 v good
Midfield 2 CM = v good
Afobe in attack = v good, but need one more
ECM WAM = OK, but need 1 more.
Edwards, Bojan, Cameron, Diouf, Crouch are useful subs, who are all capable Champs players.
So 8-9 of 11 first team places nailed down
After that, the bonus would be some cover/competition.
I am presuming we take up all 3 loan options (GK, CM, AM/Fwd?) - and probably find getting loanees easier than in the PL.
It may depend on if we can get rid of Imbula, Beharinho, Fletcher, Adam, etc on whether we can add 1-2 more good squad signings - perhaps for CB cover and CDM.
May be we are 2 players down on ideal position at this stage, but we are not a country mile away with securing and retaining the players we have.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 2, 2018 21:39:00 GMT
We had a team more than capable of staying in the PL - they were mismanaged by a bloke who had lost the plot and another bloke who hadn't a clue what he was doing. None of those players have left and now we have the best manager this side of the A50. We'll piss the Championship  Wimmer, Zouma,Jese, Johnson, Ireland, Ramadan have left. Shaqiri,Grant and Badou will leave. Butland? After that not sure who will go. I should have said none that weren't on the naughty step. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 22:09:44 GMT
So we've kept ALL the worst defence in our history and you think that's good... Etebo looks ok as does Afobe only Bauer and Allen deserved to keep their jobs from the rest. Now he's after keeping Butland. Why not just keep them all and pretend we were just unlucky and it was all Hughes fault. The rose tinted glasses on here have become Stevie Wonder specials. Bit of an overreaction? First of all, worst defence in our history? That defence with Jason Kavanagh, Steve Woods and Bryan Small was preferable to this one was it? How about the one with Pickering, Tweed and Nyamah in it? To put things in perspective, we could've been looking at a situation where we'd kept Lambert, lost all our star players and not made moves to bring anyone in. Instead we've got one of our key men unexpectedly signing a new deal and other big players who may stay; Etebo looks better than ok, he had an excellent world cup and on those showings looks as if he'll be a cut above the Championship. Afobe is rapid and scores goals at this level, which is exactly what we need. Ritchie if he comes will be another top end Championship signing. We still need plenty of work and it could well go tits up, but we're showing all the signs so far of being serious about a promotion push and I don't see why, given how bad things could be and have been in the past, anyone would have such a massive downer on things at the moment? So these players that we are bringing in to play at Championship level. If they succeed just what are you going to do with them next season as I assume they will all be given the usual Stoke totally OTT 50 year contract. The same idiots that brought Lambert in are ALL still at the club and we had NO star players they flopped as a team remember. Only Shaq on occasion and Bauer ever shone. Sure we've has less talented players in our team but tell me when they gave less effort than last year? If we had shown some serious intent last season we would still be in the premiership with some premiership quality players. The thought of never seeing Stoke back in the top flight is enough to put a massive downer on anyone after it was so casually thrown away by a blinkered owner whose sole thought was saving money in the short term. I never thought I'd wait 52 years to see England still not win the World Cup again or 23 years to see Stoke get back into the top flight. but that is the enormity of what we have let go. This spin doctoring that has us already promoted back next season is dream land thinking when we have only brought in a couple of players to replace an entire team of wasters. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 22:15:37 GMT
We had a team more than capable of staying in the PL - they were mismanaged by a bloke who had lost the plot and another bloke who hadn't a clue what he was doing. None of those players have left and now we have the best manager this side of the A50. We'll piss the Championship I'm sure England will win the World Cup too...…………...then I woke up and it was raining on my bald head |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 3, 2018 6:47:28 GMT
Bit of an overreaction? First of all, worst defence in our history? That defence with Jason Kavanagh, Steve Woods and Bryan Small was preferable to this one was it? How about the one with Pickering, Tweed and Nyamah in it? To put things in perspective, we could've been looking at a situation where we'd kept Lambert, lost all our star players and not made moves to bring anyone in. Instead we've got one of our key men unexpectedly signing a new deal and other big players who may stay; Etebo looks better than ok, he had an excellent world cup and on those showings looks as if he'll be a cut above the Championship. Afobe is rapid and scores goals at this level, which is exactly what we need. Ritchie if he comes will be another top end Championship signing. We still need plenty of work and it could well go tits up, but we're showing all the signs so far of being serious about a promotion push and I don't see why, given how bad things could be and have been in the past, anyone would have such a massive downer on things at the moment? So these players that we are bringing in to play at Championship level. If they succeed just what are you going to do with them next season as I assume they will all be given the usual Stoke totally OTT 50 year contract. The same idiots that brought Lambert in are ALL still at the club and we had NO star players they flopped as a team remember. Only Shaq on occasion and Bauer ever shone. Sure we've has less talented players in our team but tell me when they gave less effort than last year? If we had shown some serious intent last season we would still be in the premiership with some premiership quality players. The thought of never seeing Stoke back in the top flight is enough to put a massive downer on anyone after it was so casually thrown away by a blinkered owner whose sole thought was saving money in the short term. I never thought I'd wait 52 years to see England still not win the World Cup again or 23 years to see Stoke get back into the top flight. but that is the enormity of what we have let go. This spin doctoring that has us already promoted back next season is dream land thinking when we have only brought in a couple of players to replace an entire team of wasters. I don't think anybody is 'spin doctoring us back into the top flight' but given the mess we ended the season in, we've taken some unexpectedly positive steps, no? The past is the past, why not just see what happens this time before the doom mongering kicks in? As you say, we've no right to assume we'll get promoted, so let's let high-end Championship players do their thing and see how we go before we start worrying about what to do with them in the Prem, eh? Bit of a mixed message that? Last time we were promoted, we did so with a team of Champo players and loads of them made the step up. As did many of the players at the three promoted clubs who survived at our expense last season and at Burnley, who are now preparing for a European campaign. The long contracts thing is frustrating but it's a reaction to giving our star players shorter contracts and then watching them leave for peanuts. It's a bit of a catch-22. Not sure why you expected England to win the World Cup again, we've never really been good enough and even when we won it we had home advantage and some generous refereeing. |
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Post by bigcashprizes on Jul 3, 2018 6:59:05 GMT
So we've kept ALL the worst defence in our history and you think that's good... Etebo looks ok as does Afobe only Bauer and Allen deserved to keep their jobs from the rest. Now he's after keeping Butland. Why not just keep them all and pretend we were just unlucky and it was all Hughes fault. The rose tinted glasses on here have become Stevie Wonder specials. Whittle,Tweed and Dyson lining up in August are they? Bryan Small too 👍🏽 |
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