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Post by Absolution on Jun 18, 2018 17:06:19 GMT
A lot of people seem to think that the France penalty wasn't a penalty. This seems to be because a great many are under the mistaken belief that touching the ball automatically means it's not a foul. They are wrong. That's thanks to dumb commentators and pundits who peddle the myth. I didn't think it was a penalty because the contact was accidental and doesn't disrupt Griezmann's run at all. He just decided to flop over. It's dumb commentators and pundits who've been peddling the "Ooooooh there was contact myth" for the last few years making it so easy for penalties to be given to increase the goals and make the 'product' more saleable. In my case, it was nowt to do with the defender having touched the ball.
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Post by ohbottom on Jun 18, 2018 17:29:26 GMT
Argentina beat us 2-1, so That Goal was the decider, and at the end it was us doing all the attacking. How can you possibly know we'd have lost anyway? They were the better team for most of the game, they were a better team in general and we almost never beat the top sides when we play them. I see no reason to believe we’d have beaten them in that game, Hand of God or not. Disgusting cheating yes, but don’t think we were ‘robbed’, as we hardly started playing until he put the wingers on. By the same token I see no reason to believe they'd have definitely beaten us if that goal had been disallowed. I didn't think there was that much between the teams and we were all over them at the end. I never said we were robbed, we'll never know how the game would've panned out. All I've said is you've no right to be so certain.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 18, 2018 18:41:06 GMT
Fucking VAR. I ask you. What a load of wank.
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Post by Stoke711 on Jun 18, 2018 18:42:57 GMT
Really don't see the point in VAR. Penalty given against Nigeria for grabbing, wasn't given yesterday and not given today. So what's the point of it??
May as well just leave all decisions to the referees interpretation if there is no consistency.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 18, 2018 18:45:02 GMT
Really don't see the point in VAR. Penakty given against Nigeria for grabbing, wasn't given yesterday and not given today. So what's the point of it?? May as well just leave all decisions to the referees interpretation if there is no consistency. There's a role for it. They've just let a six year old who hates football decide how it should be implemented.
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 18, 2018 19:10:50 GMT
VAR really working in the England game.
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Post by Stoke711 on Jun 18, 2018 19:11:03 GMT
Useless, again arms around his neck.
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Post by Stoke711 on Jun 18, 2018 19:11:47 GMT
VAR really working in the England game. You watch Tunisia get a last minute penalty awarded for same thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 19:12:04 GMT
Should have had 2 penalties off the back of VAR tonight. How not to use it.
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Post by rockthecity on Jun 18, 2018 19:17:00 GMT
Should have had 2 penalties off the back of VAR tonight. How not to use it. Shocking looks like it’s only used when it suits
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 19:23:11 GMT
Should have had 2 penalties off the back of VAR tonight. How not to use it. Shocking looks like it’s only used when it suits [br Personally mate, I smell a rat. They've had numerous fouls for nowt, and we've had two stonewall penalties turned down and not reviewed.
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Post by adi on Jun 18, 2018 20:00:21 GMT
VAR works - when the officials are taught HOW to use it. Any tool is useless in the wrong hands.
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Post by nott1 on Jun 18, 2018 20:12:07 GMT
Frauds the lot of 'em and the ref..............feckin' fraudulent cheat........how much did he want us to lose?
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Post by lloydcolesguitar on Jun 18, 2018 20:13:47 GMT
The arsenal neanderthal said at 0-0 it was only just off side so should have not been offside or words to that effect. That rule along with VAR is just another way for the powers that be manipulating the game for their own ends. Football in my opinion is corrupt
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Jun 18, 2018 20:19:44 GMT
What an absolute farce. A complete and utter shambles. What's the point in having it if they can miss two stone wall penalties like that? How can did officials sit there and say "no? What a joke.
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Post by stokieinaus on Jun 18, 2018 20:20:58 GMT
VAR is not here to make the game fair it's here to stop corruption, unfortunately it's only made more obvious. The sooner it goes the better
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Post by roylandstoke on Jun 18, 2018 20:23:00 GMT
If that's how it is going to be used they should ditch it now.
The VAR official for tonight's game should be forced to explain his decisions.
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Post by Absolution on Jun 18, 2018 20:24:10 GMT
The arsenal neanderthal said at 0-0 it was only just off side so should have not been offside or words to that effect. That rule along with VAR is just another way for the powers that be manipulating the game for their own ends. Football in my opinion is corrupt Course it is, and VAR is the equivalent of the Trojan Horse. Brought in to apparently solve all the games ills and bring ‘fairness’ to the game while actually it’s just allowing bias to continue at an even higher level. It doesn’t get the decisions right. It doesn’t review the game changing decisions that it should. It’s shit. I’ll keep saying it til people listen; Martin Atkinson reviewing penalty and goal decisions on Stoke games. Will we get fairness? Will we fuck.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 20:24:22 GMT
Pretty sure i saw the ref making a diving motion...
Mental.
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Post by Stoke711 on Jun 18, 2018 20:25:34 GMT
If that's how it is going to be used they should ditch it now. The VAR official for tonight's game should be forced to explain his decisions. He should be interviewed and asked why he felt they weren't penalties.
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Post by burystokie on Jun 18, 2018 20:38:41 GMT
VAR promises the illusion of certainty, an end to refereeing injustices, but when so often pundits can't even agree with each other over whether a penalty or goal should / shouldn't be awarded, it's simply going to cause more controversy and supporters believing they've been shafted instead of less. As I was saying...
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jun 18, 2018 20:47:29 GMT
It'll only work when the VAR can override what the on-pitch ref says, and when the VAR is forced to justify their decisions on camera.
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Post by Widget123 on Jun 18, 2018 20:50:48 GMT
I still think the implementation is wrong. Give each team a VAR joker to call at any point - frivolous use means the joker is lost. The VAR ref should have an instant "nothing wrong" or "there is an issue" answer on demand. If he didn't see something on the monitor in real time then its just tough luck. The VAR ref shouldn't see the footage again its simply another pair of eyes and he/she should call it the same way a ref on the pitch would - immediately and on the spot. The VAR joker for each team is the only time the footage is reversed and watched. With the issue raised being the focus. That would keep the game moving but allow a bad foul or penalty to be awarded which the ref and VAR have missed.
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Post by professorplump on Jun 18, 2018 20:51:05 GMT
This was the worst game of the tournament as far as VAR was concerned. I was beginning to wonder if Vladimir Putin had taken over the VAR panel! It is not the system that is at at fault but the people implementing it. Whether you like it or not it is here to stay at least in the international game.
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Post by Squeekster on Jun 18, 2018 20:53:29 GMT
It'll only work when the VAR can override what the on-pitch ref says, and when the VAR is forced to justify their decisions on camera. Not entirely sure about VAR but are you saying that unless the onfield ref asks for it we don't get it?
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jun 18, 2018 21:00:42 GMT
It'll only work when the VAR can override what the on-pitch ref says, and when the VAR is forced to justify their decisions on camera. Not entirely sure about VAR but are you saying that unless the onfield ref asks for it we don't get it? Basically the VAR guy shouldn't buzz the ref's watch and say you might maybe possibly if you feel like it could have another look at that but it's okay if you don't; they should buzz them and say you've fucked up there, no two ways about it, pull it back and give the penalty.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 21:06:03 GMT
It'll only work when the VAR can override what the on-pitch ref says, and when the VAR is forced to justify their decisions on camera. This would be the ideal use thereof. A bit like rugby. The justification with referees in rugger is always objective. But it'll never happen, it'd make mugs out of atkinson, dean and creatures like that vermin tonight.
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 18, 2018 21:07:24 GMT
It's quite clear that VAR can be used (or not) to try and manipulate the result of games involving certain sides.
It would have been very interesting to see what would have happened if Tunisia had managed to get a corner late on.
Still, England overcame the ref, the conditions and the greasy camel jockeys and won the game DESERVEDLY.
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Post by slicko on Jun 18, 2018 21:08:51 GMT
Now that it’s here to stay, can you see the issue in it not being used consistently or not at all?
It just needs the occasions when it must be used sorting out.
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Jun 18, 2018 21:10:50 GMT
To miss two absolute stone wall penalties like that was quite frankly disgraceful.
What's the point in it if you're not going to give those?
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